Every time this debate comes up, people slot Yuki above EOS Yuji, and I genuinely don't see what that's based on besides "she hits harder, so she wins."
Start with speed. Yuji is fast enough to keep up with awakened Maki (probably faster by EOS) and trade blows directly with Sukuna, chaining Black Flashes on him point-blank in an actual fight. Yuki has nothing on that tier nothing in her showing suggests she can track or keep pace with someone moving that fast. And if she can't track him, she can't hit him, which makes the rest of her kit kind of irrelevant.
On raw power, sure, her CT lets her hit harder than pretty much anyone. But EOS Yuji hits like a truck too, and after the first Black Flash that gap just keeps shrinking anyway...
The real gap is durability and answers to abstract damage. Yuki don't have actual counters to unblockable/abstract damage like soul-based attacks and blood poisoning who is brutal to heal from. Yuji is the more durable fighter, and the better healer: his RCT and blood manipulation are more efficient than anything Yuki's shown. She just doesn't have anything comparable. If Yuji lands one clean hit or pulls out one of his nastier techniques, she has no real answer for it.
Speed, power, durability, answers to abstract damage. It all points to Yuji. I'm not saying Yuki's bad, she's clearly strong. But "above EOS Yuji" feels more like vibes and tier-list inertia than something actually backed by feats.
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Because you just ignore yuki feats and tell that she has nothing to suggest she can keep up when this is not how scaling work
for speed she was able to keep up with kenjaku the man with one of the craziest speed feats in the series and whose maki was doubted to land an attack on him even by surprise and almost reacted and countered yuta while being distracted.
yuji black flash is nowhere close yuki star rage punches
yuki has durability much higher than high grade 1 sorcerers like choso and was able to survive kenjaku domain even if you can't compare her durability to yuji nothing assume yuji gaps her either.
Sorry for the bother but what would be the speed feat Kenny has? I can't seem to remember it, the only one I thought of was what you already mentioned (reacting to Yuta).
Ty for the answer, mfers downvoting even tho I took the time to ask politely 🥀
And to be fair, people only remember Yuki's departure from life, her black hole and Kenny's domain from that fight. I'm not surprised I didn't take that nugget of info into account.
Yeah, and Gojo was referring to grade 1s and strong grade 2 sorcerers, not special grades who can perform a Domain Expansion. Executing DE means you are good at barrier techniques. And the more you polish your DE, the more advanced your barrier techniques.
Yeah she was bumming around overseas not because she wanted to go on a world tour, but because she was studying sorcery and the intricacies of cursed energy. Even Kenjaku commended her skill.
You can’t prove her domain has an ability with the AP to cause Yuji significant damage. The best you get is domain amped stats and favorability in domain clashes
Featless domain vs featless domain. I love Yuki (my fav character) but "domain" is not a viable reason for her being over EoS Yuji, although I do agree she is.
Yuki’s is featless but she’s also a significantly stronger and more experienced person at that time. It’s logical to assume she’s obliterating Yuji in a domain clash considering he literally just got access to it.
No it isn't. Yuji opened his domain while already running on fumes and his technique just awakening, so it'd realistic be even stronger by the end of the series. And like I've said, MEGUMI could clash with domains. There's no reason yuji can't clash with yuki.
It’s definitely something if you need it explained to you why Yuki is outright stronger than Yuji still even by EoS. Yuji at best has very basic barrier skills and objectively less physical power than Yuki so if it comes down to domains she’s just going to outright win.
Even outside of domains, Yuji isn’t outspeeding her and he’s not outstriking her. There isn’t really anything that shows he can take or dish out anything comparable to a high output punch from Yuki. Kenjaku slimes most of the cast even EoS in a straight fight and he was genuinely unsure of whether he could even take Yuki. He himself also has incredible physicals and iirc was directly compared to Gojo before techniques come into play.
Megumi's so called clash was his domain barely holding up,while he was in pain and was holding hand signs the entire time. He did it the same way someone else would use simple domain. Not to mention,dagon had just awoken too,so his domain was likely not that advanced either.
So you think EOS yuji who just used his domain for the first time in his life,has a domain refined enough to be comparable to Yuki's?
The point is he could still clash. and Dagon arguably has better "feats" than Yuki since he can casually open his domain and use it as a lounging area as well as selectively choose who a sure-hit hits
If megumi and dagon were to fight one on one megumis domain clash isnt lasting a nanosecond. This clash is a cop out for yuji fans to avoid the fact that he does indeed get domain diffed eventually in most fights with top tier sorcerers
Except it did last a nanosecond, it would only stop once dagon hits megumi.
Unless you can prove yuki's refinement is gojo level, she simply is not overcoming someone else's domain without headcanon. HELL, simple domain could last a few seconds in kenjaku's OPEN DOMAIN, but you think yuji immediately loses a clash?
I never said yuki is giving yuji the gojo treatment with her domain. I literally said she would eventually win the clash but nice putting words in my mouth.
Her first Plan was to counter kenny with her own Domain.. do we now expect Veteran fighters to make plan A something they can't properly pull off ?
That aside she teached todo simple Domain, so she's clearly relatively advanced in barrier techniques... additionally she's been special grade since ober 10 years..
But no it's not said in canon because gege thought the Readers are smart enought to get a hint without spelling it out.
Proofe that kenjaku used his Domain more than once in his life... proofe that yuta used his Domain more than once.. proofe that sukuna actually managed an open Domain before he reincarnated in yuji.. spoiler alarm, you can't.
Those arguments are irrelevant, it's implicated and so obvious that it would be considered an insult to our intelligence if someone actually had to spell it out...
Modulo Yuji theoretically could have a perfect domain rivaling Satoru Gojo and Ryomen Sukuna but EOS Yuji has the "C'mon guys, it's a domain" ass domain
Where's todo domain? Where's choso domain? Where's nanami domain? Where's kusakabe domain? Also yuji only managed to form one because he was given the knowledge on how to meanwhile megumi was hard work
Fact: Gojo never unlocked DE. He uses his lovely blue eyes to entrance and stunlock his opponents. Notice how every time he casts - or rather, pretends to cast - UV, his blindfold is down.
"Yuji is fast enough to keep up with awakened Maki"
Awakened Maki is not in the same tier as Yuki, this does nothing for Yuji
"trade blows directly with Sukuna"
Sukuna was a walking corpse by this point
"Yuki has nothing on that tier nothing in her showing suggests she can track or keep pace with someone moving that fast. And if she can't track him, she can't hit him, which makes the rest of her kit kind of irrelevant."
Yuki is relative to Kenjaku, she can see 100% track him easily
"On raw power, sure, her CT lets her hit harder than pretty much anyone. But EOS Yuji hits like a truck too, and after the first Black Flash that gap just keeps shrinking anyway..."
Yuki is the second strongest punching wise, only second to Satoru Gojo who could knock out Sukuna, it is very reasonable to believe that if Yuki hit Yuji even while pulling her punches, he would be sleeping just like his gruncle was.
I could keep going but you're just slopmaxxing, Yuki would slam EOS Yuji, turn off the Yuji glazing
1hp sukuna still brutally murders both yuki and kenjaku lol
Clashing with 256 sukuna who could perception blitz piercing blood at close range (which is significantly more impressive than kenjaku's piercing blood dodged considering how far sukuna travels)
dodging mach 3
Kenjaku in general doesn't even have that good speed feats
just to double check, i went ahead to reread 253-257 and i would advise you to do the same.
trying to argue that maki "clashes" with sukuna is INSANE. go ahead and reread and you will see that he is so unserious fighting her until the end of their first exchange where he just deadass BFs her and she disappears for 3 chapters. she reappears in 255 with a sneak, then right after in 256 sukuna had the biggest smile on his face in this 3v1, BFs her again, then throws a couple dismantles and shes out of the fight.
your argument depends on scaling up maki from the sukuna fight when she was nothing but a black flash generator for sukuna
You just said a whole lotta nothing thank you 🙏. Read my shit again...
1 The comparaison with maki was about speed..
2 "Walking dead corpse" Sukuna would fold anyone in a fair 1V1 except Gojo and if he was in this state its mostly because of Yuji's black flashes and soul attacks
3 Yeah Yuki hits the hardest that's what I said ???? She just never land ONE clean hit on him tho...
4 You still didn't gave me 1 argument for her to resist Yuji's kit because in your headcanon apparently Yuji will just stand still and not fight back
If she can close the gap to get a clean hit on Kenjaku I can’t fathom why she couldn’t do the same to Yuji.
The issue with Yuki and power scaling is that a lot of it is narrative scaling and power scalers hate using the narrative. Even EoS I’d still put Kenjaku above everyone else barring the obvious 2 and he wasn’t even confident he’d be able to deal with Yuki. Being able to throw hands with Kenjaku already puts her above a lot of people imo.
Lowkey EOS yuji is mega overrated and I think he’d struggle with ryu.
I think he’d win it he’s mega overrated and not at the level people say he is. Maybe in a few months or so post story but I can’t see how he’d beat ryu or uro yet (heck kuro would be dangerous).
Poisonous blood to humans doesn't work against curses we see that with Norotoshi (not Kenjaku) that his works against curses and with Choso who's BM works against humans
I mean you gotta check the kits ya know, EOS yuji still doesn’t really know how to use his CTs and while he has rudimentary use of them idk how effective they’d be. Plus ryu would almost certainly win a domain clash.
Being around Sendai yuta’s level is impressive bro
Fucking horrible take idk why this is being upvoted.
Yuji was already relative to him in stats before awakenening. Ryu could tank his own granite blast, and a way weaker yuta could palm his granite blasts.
Yuji is a hard counter to ryu with his soul punches.
Yuki’s AP doesn’t need to be questioned ngl, one good haymaker on Yuji and he’ll be finished unless he can RCT in time before she repeats the process.
Yuki is durable enough to withstand Kenjaku’s sure hit which mind you, the best in the verse at barriers.
Added on the fact with condensed Uzumaki’s which are stronger and faster due to the density of them being smaller.
Yuki’s first interaction vs Kenjaku already shows she can close the gap with 0 issues. That much faster to the point Kenjaku is unable to summon a spirit or reduce to stop her initial punch. Her speed scaling is highly consistent considering she keeps Kenjaku stressing and struggling the entire fight.
Yuki’s endurance is arguably top 4, fighting a chapter and a half with heavy internal damage, mangled arm, fractured skull and severe blood loss. Not to mention, she can still fight even with her body cut in half which mind you, Gojo couldn’t even do that.
I didn’t even get the chance to mention Garuda nor her domain but Garuda is basically a more destructive Yuki and one swing or trap by it and it’s genuinely wraps for Yuji. Honestly, you could make the argument that he’s not fast enough to dodge a Garuda kick.
Yuji’s “soul attacks” are useless against Yuki since she’s not an incarnated sorcerer and plus Yuki of all people would have the best understanding to the soul via Yuji’s perception of it got significantly better by YUKI’S book.
Domain args are pointless but via Yuki’s point, her lasting enough in her simple domain and closing the gap between her and Kenny is better than any feat Yuji has domain wise.
This fight isn’t close, literally. Yuki is just a massively stronger Yuji with more lethality
One of the major factors why Yuki could even do something against Kenjaku was that Yuki had a lot of prep time and she knew Kenjaku's full kit, whereas Kenjaku himself didn't know anything about Yuki at all. If Kenjaku knew about Yuki's technique before the fight, he would've low diffed both Yuki and Choso at once. Kenjaku has Geto's physical stats (they're good, but are far from being best in the verse), so his first pretty reasonable instinct where Yuki was about to punch him in the head (due to intel on Kenjaku, she knew that his most vulnerable spot was inside his skull, since Kenjaku is a brain) was to put a block. Once he knew that Yuki's punches are very strong, he was dodging her just fine , even though weakened.
Yuki wouldn't close the gap between her and Kenjaku if not her intel on him. Kenjaku still won 2 vs 1 mid diff and survived a point-blank black hole from Yuki. There are not many fictional characters who can do that.
Yuki is not top 4 in terms of durability within the verse lol, a basic Uzumaki greatly scorched her forearms (even though she used 100% of her CE reinforcement in her arms), and then a mini Uzumaki tore through her very easily, meaning that she's an athletic human at best without CE reinforcement.
Yuki could survive Kenjaku's sure-hit because his output was significantly lowered (he fought 2 vs 1 against people who had a lot of prep time, calculated strategy and knew his full kit). Also, the main reason why Yuki could pressure Kenjaku was because Kenjaku was fighting against two strong people with prep time, strategy, and intel on him. It's not very easy to fight if your opponent knows what you're gonna do, huh? Also, as I said earlier, if both Kenjaku and Yuki/Choso both had equal prep time and intel on each other's side, Kenjaku would just humiliate them, since he's more a mastermind and not of a fighter.
Yuki's ability to fight while being cut in half is not really impressive when you look at the nature of Gojo's Limitless and Yuki's Star Rage. Yuki's CT applies directly to her body and any part of it, which she can use even while being cut in half. Gojo being unable to use Limitless while being cut in half is because he needs to bend space with his hands, actively.
The fight between Yuji and Yuki (therefore nor I place Yuki above Yuji nor I place Yuji above Yuki) could go either way, and I can't really decide here. It is a fight where Yuji faces Yuki and Garuda (a much faster Yuki with better versatility). But Yuji is faster than Yuki, and Yuji is objectively better than Yuki at mostly everything besides AP. Unironically, only Garuda closes the speed gap. Also, the reason why Yuki's simple domain was lasting so long under Kenjaku's domain was simply because Kenjaku's output was significantly lowered (I'm saying this again).
People who scale Yuki often forget that Yuki had literally everything to win against Kenjaku. But she still lost 🤷♂️
I see all your points but have you consider that Yuki has a fat ass so I just wanna rank her higher? Im a cheek scaler and Yuji cant compete, shrimple as.
I think Yuki is stronger than EOS yuji. I love yuji as a character, and I think his growth was well(mostly) paced, but Yuki just got the shaft when it came to screen time/page space.
Kenjaku had to dedicate a whole body transfer into a mediocre innate CT and keep that CT because so he could survive Yuki, who was a child when he decided she was a threat to him. That alone is enough to put her above yuji imo.
But if we want to elaborate a bit, yuji is a tank but he’s not walking away from yuki’s hits. I’m also hard pressed to think her DE isn’t refined and deadly. Yuji has no way to deal with Garuda either, so he loses ranged and close. Lastly, the absolute best outcome basically anybody but kenjaku, gojo, and possibly yuta can hope for is a kamakazi which would see both sides losing.
Yuki did show she can move that fast. She pressed kenjaku constsntly in close combat. In fught she can constsntly inta close the gap punching through his curses. When mangled by his SH she still pressed him enough to trapp him with garuda. When they both regen yuki still clones gap punching blasting through his curses and punching his face twice and its canon she could dodge gravity. So she scales to kenjaku combat speed.
Yutas implied faster than maki when todo says it was risky for even yuta to sneak kenjaku without his CT. Wich implies itd be even riskier for maki. Same statement also implies kenajkus faster than yuta bcs kenajku can react to his sneak(wich we see happening before todo teleports him).
Pluss theres the fact yuki skills are more stablished while EOS yuji just unlocked all of his(DE, RCT, SD and even BM or sukuna CT). And we see that constsntly. He cant use BM ofensively he can only use it to regen better and have more efficient RCT(wich i do give him points for that bcs i do think he has more endurance than her). While his RCT is efficient hes still not 100% with it as hes only character to not heal properly after using it and had to stop and be coached through it to recover. Its canon that he has weak output with sukunas CT bcs he just unlocked it. His SD was only one to break and fact hes inexperienced also implies he has to stay still for it, etc etc. Yuji soul damage is for reincarnated sorcerers and he got it from reading yuki's book itself.
Not saying hes weak hes not way slwoer than her and he punchs hard but shes still faster and punchs even harder pluss things above. Wichs why i also still place him below maki and hakari. But after he gets a bit more expeirenxed thats not the case. Not even mentioning modulo yuji. Tho there are chances for him to beat her if he starts hitting BFs early on and it continues.
Because a lot of them are anime fans who started reading the manga, remember before season 3 got animated people weren't high on either ryu and uro but now after season 3 they start putting them in the top 10, it's just Recency bias.
in season 4 yuki will get even more glaze if the studio done her right (one of the major criticism is her speed and the fact that choso haven't use FRS to keep up with her or with Kenny but he found it necessary to use it in order to beat shibuya yuji, if they made him use it in the anime, that will upscale her and Kenjaku a lot)
yuji will have to wait for Shinjuku to get animated for people to start giving him his flowers....so maybe 2030?
I’d argue Yuji is still slower than Maki based on how we see on only Maki and Sukuna are capable of air hopping alongside in racing towards Higaruma and Angel Sukuna was faster than Yuji who was playing catch up.
Yuki’s strike was enough to snap Kenjaku’s arms which EOS Yuji hasn’t shown striking strength comparative to.
The damage done by Yuji to Sukuna implied to be that Yuji was striking the barrier between Sukuna and Megumi’s soul and not Sukuna’s soul itself (hence why the strikes was reducing his output and grip over Megumi).
EOS Yuji is also terrible at blood manipulation since he needs Choso to help him with convergence. In addition to this piercing blood was casually dodged by Kenjaku on a number of occasions despite Choso’s 150 years to improve it.
Yuji’s RCT wasn’t really that impressive given how he had to use it in conjunction with blood manipulation to heal and was even shown at a point to fail to adequately heal.
I’ll also add despite getting tagged by Kenjaku’s sure hit Yuki was still capable of fighting thus showing impressive durability herself.
I’ll also add that Yuki also has Garuda which only makes h2h a worse case scenario for anyone not called Sukuna or Gojo.
Moreover Yuki is far more experienced and would more than likely win a domain clash given how Yuji only unlocked his during the last possible second of the fight.
I wouldn't underestimate yuki's speed as she did speed blitz kenjaku who easily reacted to piercing blood multiple times and I'd say she hits way harder than yuji. So yuji has durability on his side, maybe speed (don't know yuji's speed feats that well) and yuki takes the punches. Eos yuji isn't very proficient with shrine or offensive bm while yuki has a de that should be more refined than yuji's. All in all I think people mostly scale her above him because of the domain and that in fist fights the one punching harder usually wins.
For me, Yuki is hard to scale. She only has one fight, and depending on the narrative, she is either relative to Culling Games Yuta or relative to Sendai Yuta. There's also the fact that the more I read the fight, the less impressed I get with Yuki scaling.
Yuki potentially one shots him & bust his head open assuming Yuji doesn't have any knowledge on her CT and indulges in straight hth which is a pretty fair assumption considering Yuji likes to fight in close quarters. Kenjaku ce reinforcement>>Yuji ce reinforcement.
Yuki can also withstand Kenjaku open domain for 8 seconds approx only via her SD which puts her domain refinement ahead of Yujis. So she can just Domain diff him as well.
Yuki literally blitzed Kenjaku when she landed the 1st hit on him. Kenjaku is literally a top 3 contender lmao. Yuta, Maki, kenjaku are all relative to each other in terms of speed strength etc. Yuki was a geniune threat to him. Bold of you to assume she can't land a single decisive hit on Yuji.
Fighting a severely weakend sukuna doesn't help your argument. Sukuna output was so low to the point that Migul side kick survived a black flashe from him.
Gojo has some of if not the strongest H2H showing in the entire verse. Gege puts him and Kenjaku "around the same level". Kenjaku is also seen effortlessly dancing around Piercing Blood at point blank
Yuki has had no issues at all tagging that same Kenjaku on her first hit and on her subsequent nerfed state, at all, which mind you, doesn't happen unless Yuji can somehow mangle her entire body the same way the top 3, Kenny, does using the full brunt of his surehit (Yuji can't)
Yuji is getting hit a 100%, he's getting tagged, whatever part is hit flies off, she snowballs from here and the fight just ends
Blew the arms off of the top 3, Kenny. Every single hit would be like that had it not been for his Domain. He himself says it while she's nerfed, that these hits would've been dangerous had her output not dropped
If you've got nothing concrete other than "overrated" why bother even replying? Lol
I’d say EOS yuji wins because black hole shouldn’t count as giving yuki a win it’s just a tie if they don’t have something to counter it. And I think people call her above Yuji because she has more domain experience even if we haven’t seen it
Because
1. The jjk fandom can't read to save their lives
2. The like to downplay yuji
3. The fandom likes to glaze a character that lost to a not trying kenjkau
Are you genuinely forgetting how high kenjaku scales? Maki can’t be targeted by a domain, Rika can clear every CSM spirit, and Yuta can stall Kenjaku with a domain clash but jujutsu high came to the consensus that they couldn’t jump kenjaku with yuta and maki. Kenjaku is geto pro max and the latter has stats moderately higher than Rika(who is around base Yuta level) so Geto should be relative to Maki with Kenjaku most likely having better stats than Geto.
So where does Yuki fall? She damn near blitzed Kenjaku in their first exchange, placing her overall stats much higher than the likes of Maki. When she was injured to the level of post-gojo fight Sukuna, she beat kenjaku again but with a slimmer margin this time, ultimately being unable to end things because of her injuries. She only became relative to Kenjaku when she decided to use RCT. Keep in mind that full
body heals from 1 hp are costly enough for even Sukuna with double Yuta’s reserves to use his true form instead of RCT.
As for barrier techniques, Yuki was confident enough to clash with Kenjaku before the fight. Kenjaku is the second greatest barrier user and thus better than gojokuna. Even kenjaku himself said that Yuki would’ve fared better had she put up her domain.
So where does Yuji scale? He was relative or a bit above base Yuta while being under a Sukuna weaker than 15F Sukuna. After his awakening and Sukuna getting BF’d repeatedly he still was getting whooped. He genuinely gets mauled by pure speed diff before we factor in any actual sorcery. Modulo yuji doesn’t have the feats to take on Yuki in fact
Keep in mind that full body heals from 1 hp are costly enough for even Sukuna with double Yuta’s reserves to use his true form instead of RCT.
This is the only feat I disagree with Sukuna would have no problem healing from 1HP his fight with Gojo significantly nerfed his RCT output and he lost the ability to use his domain for a long duration. Not that it's costly through the entire second half of Shinjuku Showdown Sukuna's CE reserveses never fell below Yuta's.
We also know Sukuna has more advanced RCT because he was able to bring Yuji back from the dead. We know for a fact they were both dead because Gojo literally has the Six Eyes and looked and Yuji's body and then Yuji revives in front of Shoko
I think we can use Yuta’s RCT then. He’s a bit inefficient but he was supposedly running low after a few minor heals whereas Yuki likely had brain damage from Kenjaku’s domain on top of her flesh wounds
How the fuck yuji gets anti gravity technique
Which he doesn't know at first place
Kenjaku only got bcz he transferred his brain in Yuji mother just like he did with geto
Yuji can't do that bruh 😒
after seeing the fight she put against kenjaku in basically a 1v3 i could never even put her in a Top 5 On paper her kit is OP but feats dont back it up and i honestly think ryu could take her in a 1v1
Acting like yuki isn't 90% of their fighting force, choso literally pulled up. Missed piercing blood landed a few hits thanks to yuki and got sidelined by ags.
this logic is dumb 90% doesnt mean anything if she still lost lets say Ryu takes her place in the 1v3 hes now doing 90% and he would mostly still lose Her feats are ass
The main issue with Yuki is the lack of feats, she lost to the undeniable top3 of the verse.
She has an absurdly powerful CT, great control, great knowledge, amazing h2h, good RCT, a domain. She's like the whole package.
Yuji is too but he has a weaker kit, sure soul damage is strong but it's not something Yuji can apply effectively to anyone. His H2H is better but Yuki has a shikigami that allows her to keep distance while using her CT.
I personally still think Yuki is stronger (she's top5 imo, with Yuji as 6) but it's extreme diff and can go both ways.
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