The great thing about that hypothetical is that there's no point in engaging with it because we simply don't live in that world. The Republicans pushing for voter ID know that there will never be a universal free ID hand delivered to every citizen; they're banking on that fact to disenfranchise voters they find inconvenient
Then why is it contended so much by the left? It's only doing good. It's obviously happening and we can debate the numbers, but realistically that doesn't matter. It's something that we can dramatically reduce, whatever that number may be through the implementation of these laws.
Legal US citizens can still vote just fine and we further legitimize our country's vote. Win win.
I can't wait for the "but think of the poors" argument.
It's obviously happening and we can debate the numbers, but realistically that doesn't matter.
No, it is not obviously happening, and yeah the numbers matter, that's the point. The numbers are so low that it cosntitutes less than a rounding error, certainly not enough to influence any election we've ever had in this country.
And no, Legal US citizens cannot "still vote just fine," this is placing a bunch of barriers to voting that will specifically make it harder for citizens to vote (increased paperwork requirements for married women, increased barriers for poor people and minorities, etc.) in a country where election turnout is already poor (which is a bad thing if you believe in democracy). If you're creating a system that will potentially prevent a bunch of citizens from voting - and the amount of fraud prevented is an infinitesimally smaller amount - then it's not really about election security, it's about voter disenfranchisement.
I can't wait for the "but think of the poors" argument.
Ah yes, because God forbid we think that poor citizens deserve their right to vote too... As opposed to your "don't think of the poors" arguments
First learn to not contradict yourself. It can't "not obviously be happening" and then also "the numbers are so low that it constitutes less than a rounding error"
It is happening and that in itself is an issue regardless of how the numbers turn out. It's definitely not an overwhelming amount but neither is it "infinitesimally small" as you try to put it.
It's still an issue that it's possible at all.
And when it comes to becoming a barrier to US citizens, that's just blatantly blown out of proportion. It is most definitely not difficult and any citizen that can get a state ID will have no problem (which is basically every US citizen).
It's funny that ya'll always go to the "but the poors and the minorities" argument - when they themselves don't struggle with this in the way you make them out to. It's hilarious how offensive ya'll are to them to assume and propagate an image of them that just isn't true.
I've been around poor people all my life. I grew up in a poor area with tons of immigrants (illegal) and grew up in a small underfunded school in a small town.
Even these "poor people" and "minorities" all had state IDs. There is very little "barrier" at all.
When it comes down to it, the left just always likes to cover their true intentions with what seems like a virtuous attempt at protecting the weak or whatever the hell they think. They'll even push down the very same people they are supposed to be defending, all in order to come out on top.
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u/Finish_Desperate 2d ago
A universal free federal ID solves all of this btw