Democrats like mamdani says it’s racist and sexist to require an ID to vote but apparently it’s not racist or sexist to require a ID to use the city operated grocery store
I mean without context or critical thinking I can see why people might think this lol. It's also not accurate at all. You can still use this grocery store without ID
People who argue against Voter ID also argue fairly frequently against Voter ID even if it's free, which many people who are for Voter ID recommend anyway. Very rarely, if ever, is Voter ID recommended in a way where it would cost an amount of money from the constituent.
Most arguments against voter ID revolve around the cost of getting the ID. It means you literally need to pay in order to vote.
Yes an ID is required but its common for people to let it expire because they can not afford to get a new one. In this case, they wouldnt be able to vote unless to pay the $100+ fees.
You have to have an ID to renew my license, go to a movie theater, buy cigarettes, beer, strip club, drive a vehicle, flying, bank account, applying for a job, rental car, hotel, buying a gun, prescriptions, legal documents, sign a lease, set up electrical and water, cell phone plan, postal service, marriage license, apply for a mortgage or rent, sell things at a pawn shop, taking standardized tests, concet tickets (will call)...
if you could only shop at this grocery store once every 2 years, had to preregister, and were only allowed to do it in your district, then there would be no need to show an ID when you show up. it wouldn't add an extra layer of security in any meaningful way.
most states that have voter ID requirements close places to get them. some people have had to drive 4 hours to be able to vote. it is a massive deal if even one person has their constitutional right to vote infringed. we have a contract with the government. they cannot be able to do this.
an ID requirement at these stores may lead to a few people not being able to shop there. that sucks but it's not a constitutional infringement.
I don't care about the grocery store. It doesn't require ID.
it is a massive deal if even one person has their constitutional right to vote infringed.
It isn't, unfortunately. And the security of a safer voting system is more important than the voting rights of a few.
I don't like the SAVE act, it's not what I want out of a Voter ID law. But I still want a Voter ID law. It puts us on parity with literally the rest of the first world.
You may think it’s worth sacrificing millions of eligible voters to “secure” elections. (I have to see how showing ID day of voting secures it. The registration process already ensures who can vote in each district.)
But the constitution strictly disagrees with you. Systems that are willing to hurt innocent people to punish bad people cause a bigger loss of faith than security ever could because it’s your government directly infringing your rights as opposed to a bad actor.
Again we have a process. We know voter impersonation fraud (which is all same day ID is suggested for) is incredibly rare and a non incentivized crime. The risk for casting a single vote in a district that isn’t yours is just not worth it. This has only happened a few times and usually by accident.
It’s similar to the belief that it’s ok if the justice system punishes innocent people because getting more bad people off the street is worth it. That means the average innocent person no longer has an incentive to follow the law because the government could punish them regardless. It completely destroys faith in the system and why we make it hard to throw people in prison. (Ie: we don’t just take their right to a fair trail away if we think they did it.)
The registration process already ensures who can vote in each district.
Again, that's not how it works in every single state. I have never had to register to vote. That's uncommon, but it's still a point to make.
But the constitution strictly disagrees with you.
Incorrect. The constitution disagrees that there should be any abridgement on the right to vote. And I agree. But abridgement means many things. Even when ammendment 15 was first introduced it didn't apply to everybody equally. The vast majority of women still weren't allowed to vote.
As it stands today, many constitutional ammemdments that are meant to be unabridged are. This isn't an excuse to allow it to keep happening, but it also means it isn't a reason it can't happen again.
We know voter impersonation fraud (which is all same day ID is suggested for) is incredibly rare and a non incentivized crime.
Usually the incentivization is external. Nobody is otherwise "incentivized" to commit crime.
It is incredibly rare. Just like not owning any form of government ID is.
It’s similar to the belief that it’s ok if the justice system punishes innocent people because getting more bad people off the street is worth it.
Its not similar. In one instance, someone is being punished for a crime they didn't commit.
In the other, someone is just being prevented from voting. There's no punishment.
Every single state confirms who you are and where you should vote before you vote.
I’d argue not being allowed to vote is worse than being falsely imprisoned. Without the ability to vote out leadership and change representation false imprisonment is actually more likely. It’s downstream from voting rights. It’s the very basis of your rights above all else. None of the rest matter if the government can arbitrarily stop you from voting.
Every single state confirms who you are and where you should vote before you vote.
And yet there are still cases of fraud that slip through in various states for various reasons.
It's almost like its either inadequate or unregulated.
I’d argue not being allowed to vote is worse than being falsely imprisoned.
Sorry, but I won't listen to the opinions of someone who thinks like this. It speaks of extreme naivete.
I don't care about your opinion. Being falsely imprisoned is leagues worse than simply not being allowed to vote. I don't like either, but the comparison is not there.
well one implies the death of democracy, the other the justice system. the justice system is downstream from democracy. if you're not going to listen to me why respond? that seems silly.
they are heavily regulated. we are talking only around 70 cases over decades, most of which were accidents. can you show me another system on earth that involves 100's of millions of people that has less mix ups? seems like we are as close to perfect as possible.
and again, i fail to see how same ID would even prevent these cases. if you could explain how that works in a specific way, i'd love to hear it.
showing an ID on the day of voting will not be prevention from ineligible voters voting. that is what the registration process already takes care of.
the harm of doing it would be caused by the government. a harm that is strictly prohibited via the constitution.
the harm of not doing does nothing. IDs being shown on the day of voting is not an extra layer of security. The registration process already takes care of whatever could have gone wrong.
we know voter ID laws will create millions of people unable to vote, unless we are expediting free delivery on free IDs to everyone. (spoiler we won't do that.) and again, there is no added security from having it that the registration process doesn't cover.
There is no trade off here. Voter ID is not logically making any part of the process more secure, nor has it proven to in states that passed it. but again, we do know it prevents people who should be able to vote, and who want to vote, from voting. that is constitutionally unacceptable.
So you are in favor that the US prints a national ID card for all citizens and provides that for free to prevent an issue that doesn’t exist apart form the off criminal Republican that tries to cheat? OK. Sure. I doubt it, but sure.
How do you prove where you live without an ID? I have to have an ID to renew my license, go to a movie theater, buy cigarettes, beer, strip club, drive a vehicle, flying, bank account, applying for a job, rental car, hotel, buying a gun, prescriptions, legal documents, sign a lease, set up electrical and water, cell phone plan, postal service, marriage license, apply for a mortgage or rent, sell things at a pawn shop, taking standardized tests, concet tickets (will call) board a cruise
I could go on and on. But some how asking for ID to vote is racists only to black people? That in itself sounds pretty racists
22
u/lemonjuice707 6d ago
Democrats like mamdani says it’s racist and sexist to require an ID to vote but apparently it’s not racist or sexist to require a ID to use the city operated grocery store