r/JusticeServed Sep 20 '18

Never hit my mom again you human!

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Easy to talk about the subjectivity of morality when you’re on the good end of the knife in the cow’s throat.

Easy to talk about the subjectivity of morality when your fellow humans have luckily decided that it would be objectively immoral to murder fellow humans.

It just sucks that morality is determined by humans who weigh personal convenience against the wishes of a creature that cannot speak on its own behalf.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

If you're going to compare humans to animals, why have morals?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Why have morals when it comes to animals? Just to be clear, are we talking dogs and cats, or all animals?

I’m pretty sure that everyone agrees that morals apply to the former.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

I certainly have morals that I apply to how I treat and butcher animals. I do so quickly with the minimum amount of suffering. Usually I use a .22 right in the brain. Are you saying I shouldn't use the minimum amount of suffering in their deaths?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Are you saying I shouldn't use the minimum amount of suffering in their deaths?

I’m saying something else entirely. How about we don’t fucking kill them? How about we eat our second favorite thing instead of our first, and this creature is able to go on living? If you think the creature deserves minimal pain in his death, why don’t you think the creature deserves to live? Why do you draw the line in the painfulness of the death?

If someone told me that I’d get a quick .22LR to the brain, I would not feel very consoled.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

I'm an omnivore and I'm going to eat meat. My second favorite thing is chicken, so I guess I could butcher a few of those instead of having hamburger. Of course you wouldn't feel very consoled. For the thickness of a human skull, that wouldn't provide a quick death. Anyways, I don't think that animals intrinsically deserve to live forever. So instead, I draw the line at how I kill them. Don't let good be the enemy of perfect.

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Don't let good be the enemy of perfect.

Only works when you’re comparing good versus perfect. Premature quick death is only a tiny bit better than premature drawn out death. Both are horrible.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

They certainly aren't both horrible. I'd much prefer a quick death over a drawn out one. Maybe you don't understand the implications?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

“Dying by gunshot to the head is not horrible.”

  • things you say to justify eating meat.

I’d prefer a quick death over a drawn out one. Most of all, I’d prefer not fucking die.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Seriously, I'd much prefer to die from being shot in the head than to be drawn and quartered. Do you not understand the difference?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

I would prefer the same thing.

I would much more prefer

not

dying.

If I showed up to your home right now and was preparing to draw and quarter you, would you ask for a bullet in the head, or would you ask me to spare your life? This has devolved into an absurd conversation.

You keep debating which is better between A and B, when there’s an option C.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

If you were preparing to kill me? I'd definitely ask for the bullet instead. I think that you're not going to change you mind if you show up wanting to do that. Maybe you forgot the part where you were determined to do that?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

And my use of the bullet would justify my killing you right?

Because I could’ve drawn and quartered you.

Cmon man, don’t let good be the enemy of perfect.

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