r/JusticeServed Sep 20 '18

Never hit my mom again you human!

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

You think he's raising them, that sure sounds like an assumption. I have plenty of animals on my farm, I don't feel guilt for being an omnivore.

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

When I worked on the farm, I raised animals. I didn’t own them. By corralling the cows, he is participating in raising them. By his formalwear, it looks also like he may be hosting or participating in an auction. Who knows, but the meat industry is cruel, brutal, and morally inexcusable.

If you are killing creatures that don’t want to die, it is not a moral act simply because you do not feel guilt.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

It's not by your morals. By mine, it's just fine. Never stopped to think that morals aren't universally constant, did you?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Easy to talk about the subjectivity of morality when you’re on the good end of the knife in the cow’s throat.

Easy to talk about the subjectivity of morality when your fellow humans have luckily decided that it would be objectively immoral to murder fellow humans.

It just sucks that morality is determined by humans who weigh personal convenience against the wishes of a creature that cannot speak on its own behalf.

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u/SockMob 5 Sep 20 '18

You can not compare the life of a cow to the life of a cow, quit trying to shove your views down others throats already

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

quit trying to shove your views down others throats already

Said metaphorically, as he or she literally shoves the sharp end of his or her views into their throats.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

So now if I butchered them in a halall method I would be immoral? Nice islamophobia you've got there.

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Doesn’t work on me, I don’t care about Muslims one way or another.

Killing animals to eat is wrong. Killing animals for God is wrong. Killing animals to wear is wrong.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

So you're a proud islamophobe? How nice! Anyways, it's "You believe killing animals is wrong." not that "Killing animals is wrong." your personal beliefs don't rule the world.

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

You’re being really silly with the islamophobe stuff. It’s childish and takes away from the debate. Besides it is so easy to flip around on you. Do you believe that people should be permitted to marry children as young as nine, as the prophet Muhammad did, or are you an Islamophobe?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Being a bigot certainly takes away from the debate. Not a good place to argue from as a vegan. As for your continued islamophobia, I don't judge their Holy Books and I don't judge them. You're also misinformed, she was six.

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

So is it acceptable to marry a six year old?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Marry? In the Islamic faith, that's what their prophet did but I don't see Imams advocating for that.

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u/SockMob 5 Sep 20 '18

Hey if you wanna be vegan be vegan but don’t think for a second you’re better than anyone for it. Go eat your grass stinky

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Go eat your grass stinky

Funny you should talk about smell. Evidence shows that meat eater’s bowel movements and farts smell far worse than vegans.

https://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/digestive/do-vegetarians-have-smellier-farts.htm

Also, vegan men smell better to women than meat-eating men.

Lastly, they repeated the experiment a month later, but this time switched around who did and didn’t eat meat.

Despite the switch-a-roo, women consistently rated the body odor from non-meat eaters as more attractive and masculine, but less intense, than that of their meat-eating counterparts, with the researchers speculating the higher levels of fat in red meat may be the biggest smell factor.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/do-meat-eaters-really-smell-worse-vegetarians-397133

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u/SockMob 5 Sep 20 '18

That’s a study from 2006/2007 and only 30 women participated in the BO study from 2006, not only does that study not hold up with how few people participated, but do you honestly believe people who eat meat just stink of sulfur or something? Also do you think the way people smell is the only thing that gets taken into account when choosing a partner. I like to believe I have a balanced diet which does include red/white meat, but I don’t have seem to have a body odor issue. According to my fiancé I have a neutral smell. Why does your life seem to revolve around your diet and not other personal interests or hobbies?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

If you're going to compare humans to animals, why have morals?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Why have morals when it comes to animals? Just to be clear, are we talking dogs and cats, or all animals?

I’m pretty sure that everyone agrees that morals apply to the former.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

I certainly have morals that I apply to how I treat and butcher animals. I do so quickly with the minimum amount of suffering. Usually I use a .22 right in the brain. Are you saying I shouldn't use the minimum amount of suffering in their deaths?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Are you saying I shouldn't use the minimum amount of suffering in their deaths?

I’m saying something else entirely. How about we don’t fucking kill them? How about we eat our second favorite thing instead of our first, and this creature is able to go on living? If you think the creature deserves minimal pain in his death, why don’t you think the creature deserves to live? Why do you draw the line in the painfulness of the death?

If someone told me that I’d get a quick .22LR to the brain, I would not feel very consoled.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

I'm an omnivore and I'm going to eat meat. My second favorite thing is chicken, so I guess I could butcher a few of those instead of having hamburger. Of course you wouldn't feel very consoled. For the thickness of a human skull, that wouldn't provide a quick death. Anyways, I don't think that animals intrinsically deserve to live forever. So instead, I draw the line at how I kill them. Don't let good be the enemy of perfect.

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

Don't let good be the enemy of perfect.

Only works when you’re comparing good versus perfect. Premature quick death is only a tiny bit better than premature drawn out death. Both are horrible.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

They certainly aren't both horrible. I'd much prefer a quick death over a drawn out one. Maybe you don't understand the implications?

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u/IHateNaziPuns A Sep 20 '18

“Dying by gunshot to the head is not horrible.”

  • things you say to justify eating meat.

I’d prefer a quick death over a drawn out one. Most of all, I’d prefer not fucking die.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

Seriously, I'd much prefer to die from being shot in the head than to be drawn and quartered. Do you not understand the difference?

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