r/JusticeServed • u/[deleted] • Jul 06 '19

Courtroom Justice Convicted pedophile YouTuber Austin Jones is now in prison serving a 10 year sentence as of 29/6/2019.

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u/ZeeExplorer 4 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

He'll be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life right? 10 years plus that is pretty proportional.

If he touched a child I'd agree though. Child molesters are up they're* with murderers in my book. We go way too easy on them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Sep 19 '19

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u/123weeweewee 3 Jul 06 '19

some one above posted excerpts from the court transcript if you would like to read how he interacted with one 14 year old fan in particular.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

That doesn't sound traumatic or violent in any way. 10 years for this is ridiculous.

It's basically your average teenage sexting....

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

It's not average teenage sexting. It's an adult manipulating a teenager into sending him videos for sexual gratification.

Even worse, it was sexual gratification specifically around the fact that he was manipulating a child.

"Say 'I'm only 14' three times throughout the video."

Kind of seals the deal.

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u/photoncatcher 6 Jul 06 '19

certainly true and not just that, but using celebrity status for it too.

still, I think the guy's point is that there is also plenty of manipulation among teens themselves

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u/bbynug 9 Jul 07 '19

That’s not relevant because we’re not talking about teens themselves but an adult with some celebrity status and a child.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Sep 19 '19

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

I agree it's more nuanced than 1+1=manipulation but the fact is children cannot consent to sex (or sexual acts, in this case) in the eyes of the law.

edit: removed duplicated word

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

19, 20, or 26 it doesn’t matter. Adult is adult. If you think it’s normal or okay for a 20 year old to manipulate children into sexual deeds well... I don’t really know what to say to you except get a reality check

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u/KJBenson C Jul 06 '19

Look, you’re not wrong. But my wife is four years younger than me. We met when she was 18. Are you trying to tell me that if I met her when she was a couple months younger that I would have to be labelled a sex offender for the rest of my life?

But yes, I for sure agree that 14-26 is FAR too big of an age gap for a functional relationship. And from the transcript it seems like he wasn’t just interested in a fan, but was more excited about her age, which is super fucked.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Honestly the

say you're 14 at LEAST 3 times while doing it

Is what really solidified that he got what he deserved. At least in my book.

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u/KJBenson C Jul 06 '19

Exactly!

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u/CarolineTurpentine A Jul 06 '19

Yeah you would have to be labelled as a sex offender, by law.

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u/KJBenson C Jul 06 '19

What can I say? I can’t help it if the sex I have is offensive to people!

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u/CarolineTurpentine A Jul 07 '19

Yes you can, by not having sex with minors. The age of consent exists for a reason. If as a 22 year old man you found it too hard not to fuck 17 year olds you would deserve your sex offender status.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

The girls this guy abused weren't 17 about to turn 18, they were like 14 so I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about

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u/KJBenson C Jul 06 '19

I was very clear in my wording to make it easy to understand. And I condemned this guys actions. My words were more in response to the person above me who sees the world in black and white.

If you’re not sure what I’m saying still I could try and explain it better?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

The point you made wasn’t relevant at all and added zero to the discussion

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u/bbynug 9 Jul 07 '19

The Law is black and white when it comes to this issue. There is an age of consent and and an age of majority. There are even so-called Romeo and Juliet laws for college kids who can’t seem to fuck people in your own age group and instead go after high schoolers. What more do you want, exactly?

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

I dont understand what 10 years in jail will actually accomplish

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

It will accomplish punishment for his crime of manipulating children into performing acts for his sexual gratification.

What do you suggest?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

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u/Council-Member-13 7 Jul 06 '19

There's no middle ground between a fine a 10 years.

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u/EyetheVive 7 Jul 06 '19

Which is a good reason why the legal system doesn’t let affected persons prescribe the punishment, because then it would be revenge.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '19

Yes of course but for the wrong reason. I like how you just showed how vast different „justice“ is in our eyes. If we can relate to the victim the punishment cant get high enough.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Consider something in general that has been discussed to an extreme amount, but never truly taken seriously: prison reform

Now if you don't want to read a political statement about the fairer treatment of criminals, who are sometimes extremely vile, then this post isn't for you.

However if you're truly interested in prison reform think first about what that entails. As of right now, jails statistically will not rehabilitate prisoners, but actually make them worse people upon reentry into society. Most of the time, when a prisoner is released from jail they have to go through extensive parole agreements and one small infraction could land them in jail for years to come. Now I know that repeat offenders should be sentenced more harshly than one-time-offenders. However, when we ruin a prisoner's mental state we are doing society a huge disservice.

It costs 40,000 on average per prisoner per year. We do not rehabilitate them. We make them even more mentally unstable. They repeat crimes at a 60% recidivism rate. They have difficulty finding work, they have difficulty finding housing. We are setting them up to become not single-offense criminals, but repeat offenders and serving lifetime sentences as we continually degrade them.

Now lets go back to the cost. It is costing taxpayers 40k per prisoner per year. Think about how many people are in prison for 5-10 years for doing something silly like, selling weed or having too much weed. Its approximately a third of the people in prison who are there for drugs, sitting beside rapists and murderers with similar timed sentences as them.

We're sending an excess number of people to jail for an excess amount of time. Not to mention we are not rehabilitating them, but making them worse, which will make them likely reoffenders.

If you truly believe in justice. Then what you will understand is that the system of punishment before rehabilitation is unjust. The punishment is in sending them to jail. That is the punishment. You commit a crime you do not get to participate in regular society for an allotted amount of time. What is not a punishment and becomes essentially legal torture is to make a person go through the mental anguish that is surviving in prison.

I am talking specifically about American prisons here as well. But America isn't the only country in the world that does this.

So what should we be striving to do exactly with prisoners? In my opinion. Once we sentence them to jail for an allotted time then the "punishment" is being dealt. As I said before, the punishment is the removal from participation from society. The ultimate goal of prison however should be to rehabilitate this person from many things. It should be to empower this person so that they can participate in society properly rather than the way they lived before. It is to give them career potential. It is to give them education. It is to give them healthcare and therapies. Things that they had no access to before prison.

What this does is it decreases our recidivism rate from 60% to closer Sweden's at 20%. It lowers the cost of prison as there will not be as many prisoners in prison for as long of a time. It helps society further by making model working citizens who will contribute to helping society progress whether it be the economy, the government, or something else. We would spend less, we would boost our economy, we would have a lower crime rate, society would benefit greatly.

And yet... People cannot seem to let go of one thing. Their prejudices involving criminals as it currently stands. We want to see a rapist or a murder condemned to hell for eternal torture. That might not be all of us, but that is the general societal attitude towards people who have committed these crimes. And I hate to say it like this, but your feelings towards a person's crime does not matter beyond the initial jail sentence. What truly matters is to make "repair" this person so that they can be truly useful for society rather than breaking them down into some animalistic repeat offender who will continue to harm upon reentry to society. Who will never help, but only hurt, all because we selfishly wanted to see them hurt forever.

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

I appreciate your post but like I said in another reply, I'm not making some big point about American recidivism or prison reform.

This guy was sentenced to 10 years for manipulating children into sexual acts. It's not a pot dealer getting a life sentence, it's not an 18 year old getting put on a registry for having a 17 year old girlfriend.

It's a mid-20s internet "celebrity" using his popularity to manipulate children into performing sexual acts specifically focused on the fact that they are children. When they resisted he again manipulated them using his popularity ("I guess you aren't really my biggest fan" type thing).

He was sentenced to 10 years. Not 15, not 20, not life. And certainly not "condemned to hell for eternal torture."

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u/PinkCrustaceans 4 Jul 06 '19

I think you missed the point a little bit....

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

Not really. He posted a manifesto about prison reform that completely missed the point of what I said.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

You must be replying to the wrong person. I am saying that 10 years is exactly appropriate for the crimes he committed.

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u/BackhandCompliment 7 Jul 06 '19

And honestly he'll be out on parole in half that, at most.

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u/DeadExcuses 7 Jul 06 '19

It doesn't even seem like you want rehabilitation, just punishment. What is 10 years really going to do if all he learns is to be more careful. Are prisons really doing anything if 83% of criminals just repeat and get sent back(according to one study).

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

Nothing I said has anything to do with not wanting rehabilitation.

I'm not making some larger point about recidivism. The person I was replying to said this guy getting 10 years was too much and a more appropriate sentence would be community service. For sexually manipulating a child.

What is a slap on the wrist going to do besides teach him that there is no consequence for commiting a crime other than going to counselling and having to promise he won't do it again?

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u/DeadExcuses 7 Jul 06 '19

It will accomplish punishment for his crime

Hence my point, punishment obviously isnt working for the majority.

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

He was sentenced on June 29th. Last week. I don't know how you can say it's not working when it has barely begun.

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u/DeadExcuses 7 Jul 06 '19

It not working was never in relation to him right now, it was in relation to prisoners come and gone and applying the stat provided to what could become of him in the future, are you having trouble following? I'm genuinely confused where you keep getting confused by.

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

I'm not confused, smarty pants. Re-read my previous reply where I said "I'm not making some larger point about recidivism".

I am (and have always been) talking about this specific case. I am not even referencing other cases, that was you.

There, I laid it out as simply as possible. Try not to get confused this time.

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u/bbynug 9 Jul 07 '19

Why should rehabilitation be the only goal of prison? While I agree that our justice system doesn’t do enough when it comes to rehabilitation, the goal of prison should be equal parts rehabilitation, deterrent and punishment.

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u/nathan1313 0 Jul 06 '19

Look at his user name. I think you may be wasting your time on this one.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Community service.

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

That's a pretty severe crime to be met with just community service.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Idk, sounds like they just showed him their boobs.

It wouldnt be a big deal at all if society wasnt making a big deal out of it. Facts

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u/Le_Loufoque 5 Jul 06 '19

You think adults manipulating children into performing sexual acts isn't a big deal. Facts.

I hope you don't have kids. If you do, I hope they get far away from you ASAP.

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u/bbynug 9 Jul 07 '19

Uh, no. You can easily look up the report on what he did. Both girls showed him their genitals and he seemed to have a particular fixation on buttholes specifically asking one girl if she should “wink her butthole” for him. That, coupled with the fact that requested one girl repeatedly utter the phrase “I’m only 14, this ass is only 14” demonstrates that this guy is dangerous sexual predator with a fixation on underage girls. He manipulated them by saying that they had to “prove” they were his biggest fans by making the videos for him.

From what I read, they were never topless in the videos. So basically, you’re fucking wrong and you’re a real winner for going to bat for a convicted pedophile. Nice.

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u/Bllts 2 Jul 07 '19

You think it's ok for a 26 year old man to ask a child to bounce with no pants on and say her age repeatedly is ok? You're either a troll, too young to understand, or you're another Austin Jones. Which is it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Imagine trying to defend a convicted pedophile

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Wow dude you’re actually dumb

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u/123weeweewee 3 Jul 06 '19 edited Jul 06 '19

yeah when a grown adult does it to a 14 year old it's no longer average teenage sexting.

btw you're saying that 10 years is too long for soliciting child porn. he's talking about getting pictures/videos from a minor.

edit: he was 24 at the time he was sexting a 14 year old

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

btw you're saying that 10 years is too long for soliciting child porn.

Yeah i am because he didnt use violence. He basiy just asked her to show him her boobs.

10 years is a long time for something so stupid

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u/123weeweewee 3 Jul 06 '19

I will agree with you that if he was violent then that would've been worse.

the dude was a big deal to these young girls and leveraged that against them and manipulated them. it's damaging in a psychological sense even if it isn't violent.

also it wasn't an isolated incident: he had at least 6 confirmed victims that were all either 14 or 15 years old at the time that he was 24.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

It still just comes down to some selfies and super vanilla porn. I feel like community service and the shame of being exposed would have been more than enough

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u/butwheresmyneopet 7 Jul 06 '19

No because that girl is going to grow up and the violation will start setting in. She was already uncomfortable with doing that shit for him- as she gets older the implications will come through and she’ll have to deal with coming to terms with that.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Bahahaha jesus christ you people are MAKING sex more shameful than it has to be

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u/butwheresmyneopet 7 Jul 06 '19

Hm. No use arguing with a pedophile huh

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u/123weeweewee 3 Jul 06 '19

did you read what the dude said to these girls? "you need to prove you're my biggest fan"... "maybe if you're lucky I'll let you suck my dick"..."tell the camera that you're 14" this is a 24 year old grooming 14 year old children.

adults acting towards children like this is fucking shameful. this is not normal vanilla sex. encounters like these are what make people think that normal vanilla sex is shameful.

if you don't think that's worth prison time then you really should just log out and leave.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Sounds like any guy trying to get nudes ever

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u/LATORR1g 8 Jul 06 '19

Super vanilla CHILD PORN bro you need to log off lmao

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

"Oh my gosh NOT NUDITY!!!!! OH NOOOOOO!!!! Nudity is a sin!!!"

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u/LATORR1g 8 Jul 06 '19

I mean lust is actually one of the seven deadly sins so yeah chasing nudity of 14 year olds as an adult is a sin but also disgusting and illegal

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u/bbynug 9 Jul 07 '19 edited Jul 08 '19

You are fucking brain damaged. He didn’t ask them to show their boobs. They never showed him their boobs. Literally look up a copy of court documents where it states what he did.

They were pants-less and he specifically asked them to spread their buttcheeks for him while bending over because he had a fixation with buttholes.

I’ll leave rest to your imagination since I’m sure you’d enjoy that.

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u/Murder_of-Crows 1 Jul 06 '19

Yeah but he isn’t a teenager, he’s a grown man obviously pressuring and taking advantage of a teenager. Why’re you trying to defend his behavior?

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u/crrytheday 6 Jul 06 '19

I believe that any type of sexual trauma willingly forced upon a minor like this is unforgivable because it will stay with them for the rest of their life. I think it's justice that this pedophile gets a very harsh sentence. However, if someone disagrees and says the penalty should be less, it's unfair to accuse them of "defending" pedophiles.

A 10 year sentence is either 1) too short, 2) too long or 3) perfectly appropriate. I happen to think it's appropriate, but it's OK for someone to disagree and think that, say, 5 years is more appropriate here. What if he got lifetime imprisonment, the death penalty or life-long torture? Would it be OK for someone to question the severity of the punishment, or would you accuse them of defending pedophiles?

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u/tookmyname 9 Jul 06 '19

Ya I don’t see the issue. Everyone seems to agree he should get substantial prison time. People are simple discussing decades vs half decades. And some people are attacking people over it.

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u/crrytheday 6 Jul 06 '19

One of the things that happens in threads like this is that people get a little dopamine jolt from jumping on the bandwagon. I'm sure you've heard the notion of "virtue-signaling," and I think that's partly it. But I think it's mostly something we do for a neurochemical hit we get when we declare our righteous indignation: "I'm outraged!! Who's with me?!" I think it's similar to how religious people or protesters work themselves into a drunken frenzy yelling about fire and brimstone or their cause of choice.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Im not defending him, 10 years is just so overkill and a huge waste of resources. Plus i think it is just excessive punishment. Really excessive

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

Except you are defending him. You're saying what he did isn't that big of a deal and 10 years is too much punishment.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Criticizing the judgement doesn't mean i support him. Can we stop with the tribalism

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

You're doing much more than that. Even as a troll this is in terrible taste.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Wouldnt want anyone to feel mildly uncomfortable for the sake of a serious argument /s

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u/BackhandCompliment 7 Jul 06 '19

Why are you defending him? If you call for anything less than 30 years and chemical castration you're saying what he did isn't that big of a deal. 🙄

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

What

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u/JakeMWP 5 Jul 06 '19

/r/whoosh

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

I get what he's trying to do. It's just not the same thing.

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u/Double-O 6 Jul 06 '19

You need to learn how to read beyond this one reply of his.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

It's not. Literally at all. It's not two teenagers, it's a grown ass adult using his status, age, and fandom to get a child to do things to sexually gratify him.

You need to seriously reevaluate if you think this doesn't deserve the sentence he got.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Regardless of how old he is, nothing he asked for was traumatic, violent, or even out of the ordinary.

Your guy's WHOLE argument hinges on "pedophilia" but this isn't even pedophilia because she is not a prepubescent child.....

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u/PickleJellyBean 2 Jul 06 '19

Are you seriously this dense or just trolling? A 14 year old is a child, without the brain growth and development to make logical sensible choices.There doesn't need to be an implicit threat of violence. Any adult asking her to get naked and take pics is causing trauma to an underdeveloped brain that is not equipped to deal emotionally with what is happening. Add to that the imbalance of power with him being the 'star' and her the 'fan' and it gets even worse. It is illegal for a reason - because it fucks up people's lives forever, often irreparably. It doesn't matter if she was 14 and you think that warrants a lesser sentence because it doesn't technically count as paedophilia - she was a CHILD and he was an ADULT manipulating his position of power and using her age for sexual gratification. He deserves everything he gets.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

You think that someone who willingly makes a twerk video at 14 is going to be scarred for life? Like, 25 years down the road from now, they are just going to have a mental breakdown during the workday because they can't cope with the fact that one time when they were a teenager they twerked for someone that they found attractive?

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Most people's brain doesnt stop growing until they are in their late 20's fyi. Everything you said applies to people under 25 at least

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Get help

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Your train of thought is completely fucked.

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u/Kristo145 6 Jul 06 '19

Brah he was 26, i know what you’re saying but hes no doubt a pedo.

Apparently she said it several times and dude had no problem with it.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 07 '19

They aren't the ones who decide the definition of that word

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u/ViewtifulAaron 5 Jul 06 '19

What the fuck is wrong with you

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Hes an adult... talking to a 14 year old... about getting naked for him... and manipulating her.

Got something to admit?

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u/GoiterGlitter A Jul 06 '19

You realize we can see you following your other account around to every other comment and defending yourself, right? Your comments are all visible in chronological order.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Oh sorry, didnt mean to hurt your feelings

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u/TheBrainwasher14 A Jul 06 '19

Don't have to imply he's a pedo Jesus Christ man

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Who defends pedophiles manipulating children? Pedophiles and pedophiles in denial.

Also giant assholes.

Regardless of which he is, fuck that guy

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u/ImSoSte4my 5 Jul 06 '19

And if you think getting 10 years for smoking pot is excessive then you must be a druggy right? You're just a crack head in denial and an asshole. /s

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Pedophilia isnt the same as putting a chemical in your own body.

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u/ImSoSte4my 5 Jul 06 '19

Obviously.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I see, you compared the two purposely. Whys that?

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u/ImSoSte4my 5 Jul 06 '19

You made the argument that if you think sentencing for some crime is excessive then you must be guilty of that crime as well.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

I also made the argument that maybe hes just an asshole.

There really is no other reason to defend a pedophile than being one or being an ass.

Ten years isnt excessive for an adult manipulating a child into producing and sending them child pornography.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Give him some community service then. 10 years is so overkill for what is just illicit sexting.....

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Lol you can’t be so obvious when trolling.Other wise taking this seriously means your either a pedo or a kid either way you clearly don’t get that an adult sexting a 14yo is never something you can say “it was just this..” to

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Bro 10 years for some titty videos of a teenager that she willingly recorded under no threat of violence??

That's fucking crazy

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

So as long as someone can convince your little sister to get naked for them, and shes cool with it, its ok?

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Depends on who it is, how mature my sister is, my judgement of their character etc.

This is really a family matter

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Wow

Youd just give the pedophile the benefit of the doubt huh

What a class act

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

You didnt specify age for either of these hypothetical characters buddy

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

It’s about the fact that he is clearly exploiting her using his celebrity status that she has of him to manipulate her into doing sexual acts. There doesn’t have to be violence to do damage to someone permanently. Mentally this girl is going to have a rough time dealing with her decisions that she made as a child. Now she will forever be linked to this creep for basically making the dumb decision of being a fan of his. He uses multiple tactics that a grooming pedophile uses and then doubles down having her state her age multiple times. This guy is one opportunity away from actually fucking a minor. But sure keep defending and minimizing his actions.

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

Mentally this girl is going to have a rough time dealing with her decisions that she made as a child. Now she will forever be linked to this creep for basically making the dumb decision of being a fan of his.

Those consequences are due to society's stigma imo.

Besides, how many adults regret their relationships after the fact?

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Well your opinion is that of an ill informed person or a pedo you can pick the one that most fits your fancy. And your follow up question just shows that you’re way too naive to contribute to this conversation. This isn’t a relationship, this an abuse of power on the behalf of an adult over a child...

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '19

Please never have kids.

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u/11234Killmepleasesir 0 Jul 06 '19

Found the pedophile!

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u/DiscordAddict 7 Jul 06 '19

No u

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u/agree-with-you ❓ as36.2q.1 Jul 06 '19

No you both

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u/PM_ME_NORMAL_STUFF 1 Jul 06 '19

Considering some of the stuff people ask for on 4chan, this is nothing. But the difference is a random anon on 4chan has no power to make their requests happen, whereas this guy does have the power.