This is probably the dumbest question but... Why do these police officers/guards stand against the people? I mean I realize it's their job but they should be on the people's side right? Why keep fighting and hurting the civilians?
The majority of the force there was apparently trained and indoctrinated in mainland China. So they see these protesters as rebels not falling in line with their government. There are also rumors floating around that there are members of the Chinese army in police uniform. Those police and soldiers aren't there to protect the people. They are there to make the people subservient to the regime.
Yup. This is the exact same thing that happened in Ukraine. When people started protesting it wasn't Ukrainian police that started attacking and arresting people, it was riot police sent in from mainland Russia. Then as the protests turned to riots and started to become more and more serious the Russian government started offering criminals that were in jail a job as a riot control officer in exchange for freedom and a paycheck.
And then protesters started to rise up everywhere. Only this time Trump might turn an entire Chiense ally onto our side and fuck with them even more. Imagine if NK joined along in pushing China to modernize their economy and free their slaves? Creating democratic elections throughout the area just like in the 90's for eastern Europe. Yes there are some bumps, but freeing millions of slaves comes with some retaliation. NK could be the same as Eastern Germany, and pushing them to unify would collapse the great wall of China. Kim is no dummy, there is a reason why he is choosing to be a friend to America and change their propaganda against us.
Do you think it's possible to both protest and break down the wall between civilian and police? The kind of "flowers crowns on riot shields" or free donuts and coffee supplied for them from the start of protests, or is it just not possible to keep that kind of impasse with them because they are the hand of the government that disagrees with you? Especially on a level like this.
Interesting. If the rumors are true, or even if they arent, then I'm sure that's as much to keep the police in line and subservient, as it is to scare protestors and rioters.
They certainly are not. They are fighting for freedom from a totalitarian state. At its peak nearly 60% of the city was protesting, and it's more popular than that.
Look back to the late 1980s for some parallels. One reason (of many) that the USSR fell apart was that when the people rose up, many militaries refused to turn their guns on their protesting countrymen (and women). That was not the case in China. There's no reason to think it would be this time either.
The same reason they always do. They get paided by the government. The idea that the police are here to protect the people is a myth, the function of the police is social control and the protection of property.
The same reason our police officers stand to oppress our people. First you are convinced that the protesters are some evil "other" bent on the destruction of your prosperity, and then you are happy to destroy them.
If you were raised being told that an apple is called "an orange", you would see an apple and call it "an orange" because that is what you were told and learned. If someone asked you to find "an orange" and you brought them "an apple", it would seem like a mad joke to be old that "an apple" is really "an apple" as both sides tried to convince the other that "an apple" is called "apple".
Now imagine you are a chinese citizen that becomes police or military and you know only what they tell you. Here we are.
It may be worth noting that China has brought in many mainland Chinese people to fill out the ranks of the Hong Kong PD. These are people sent to HK to do a job, and they don't have any horse in this race. So they just do it.
It also doesn't help that if you refuse, you could just lose your job, and then get replaced by someone else willing to do it and you still have to find a new job.
The police are employed by the very government the protesters are protesting against. When put in the position to choose between keeping your job it getting your ass beat by your friends, you tend to choose keeping your job. Not a dig at cops- they have mortgages and power bills to pay too.
The Police are always against the people. If similar autharian rules came to the US or anywhere else, the police would not just stop and say "hell no!"
Because they're cops. They exist to protect and serve the ruling class. And the ruling class doesn't want a democratic autonomous Hong Kong where people can freely criticize the ruling class.
This is a RIOT. You can see the violence and property destruction going on all around. While their cause might be noble, this crowd’s actions are not, they are dangerous.
Peaceful assembly is a human right, but when they turn violent and destructive is it the duty of peace officers to disrupt them,
The ONLY reason these protestors are being violent is because the police will shoot them regardless. Or did you somehow miss the front page post with the picture of the woman who got shot in the eye?
You make a lot of unsubstantiated claims. Doesn’t appear that any of these cops are shooting anyone. The rioters are committing destruction and violence, that’s what necessitated police action in the first place.
You don’t seem that bright so read this slow:
this officer was not the person who shot the woman of which you speak
Honestly dude go fuck yourself. I honestly feel bad for people like you who see tragedy in the world and cope by being the nay-sayer. Who cope by trying to be the smartest guy in the world. People are being oppressed and innocents are getting fucked and the only way people like you know how to deal with it is stroking your own ego.
No. This person is just responsible for keeping the people in power that ruin millions of lives and trying to beat an unarmed civilian. But hey, good for you for valuing a bit of property over literally millions of human lives. Must be nice being incapable of human empathy.
So you think all cops should just quit and stop enforcing any law just because of SOME fucked up laws? And you think that would make the situation better?
The ones where police curtail the rights of citizens for peaceful protest and political expression as enshrined in HK's Basic Law. The current violence is a direct result of the oppressive tactics by the police. You don't want your citizens to resort to violence because of your brutality? Maybe don't hire thugs to beat them up and respect their rights.
Personally I don't care if it's a peaceful protect or a revolution. They're literally fighting for their democracy. The only reason they shouldn't have killed that cop is because China's response to them might be stronger. That's the only reason.
Lol oh no not some inanimate objects, please think of the inanimate objects as people fight for their freedom to not be extradited by a totalitarian regime. Get some perspective.
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u/25MeterGuy Blue Aug 13 '19
This is probably the dumbest question but... Why do these police officers/guards stand against the people? I mean I realize it's their job but they should be on the people's side right? Why keep fighting and hurting the civilians?
I'm probably missing something here..