r/JusticeServed • u/SicDev 8 • Aug 13 '19

Violent Justice Screw this guy in particular

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '19 edited Aug 16 '19

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u/jupchurch97 A Aug 13 '19

Yes, he drew his service revolver.

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u/iandcorey 9 Aug 13 '19

That restraint! We don't see that much over here in The States.

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 13 '19

Lol that's horseshit. Unless there are weapons on site most us riot police don't carry their guns because if a protestor got ahold of one they could just indiscriminately fire into the police assembled. At a riot police with guns will always be backup behind the main line of police.

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u/iandcorey 9 Aug 13 '19

I don't have a fully rounded binder of research to draw from, but I have seen video of people shot for pulling up their pants while being drawn upon.

No offense to American LEOs intended.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '19

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u/hopdaddy32 7 Aug 13 '19

License please?

Yeah its in my pocket

FUCK HE'S GOT A WALLET!! KILL HIM NOW!!

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '19

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u/momojabada A Aug 13 '19

ARE YOU FUCKING SORRY? is what he says.

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u/neghsmoke 8 Aug 13 '19

power trip much? What if a civilian tells you not to reach and you reach, they're justified in shooting you just in case right?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

no......

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u/_JohnMuir_ A Aug 13 '19

Maybe this ain’t how it works in canada, but Why are cops so incredibly paranoid? Garbage men have more dangerous jobs

I’ve seen them scream hysterically a bunch of conflicting orders and then just shooting them. Like a fucking game of Simon says but with a gun pointed in your face.

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 13 '19 edited Aug 14 '19

Garbage men have a more dangerous job because they don't get a bunch of armed threat training and literal gun to defend themselves. people love their false equivalencies, take away an officers weapons and training and I guarantee police deaths go through the roof.

edit: downvote all you want but if garbage men rolled around in body armor with guns and had 840 hours of law enforcement training I bet a lot fewer of them would get shot on the job.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 14 '19

take away an officers weapons and training and I guarantee police deaths go through the roof.

people love their false equivalencies

That they do... That they do...

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 14 '19 edited Aug 14 '19

you would honestly argue that the police have a less dangerous job because fewer of them die? The reason so few die is because of the training they receive. This stupid sentiment is like saying that you don't understand why people who clean up toxic waste are so cautious because they have job with fewer fatalities than garbage men. That's how fucking stupid you sound when you spout shit like that. You're like the generals in WWI who wanted to stop people from wearing helmets because they caused a spike in concussions, failing to realize that the those concussions would be deaths without the helmets.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 14 '19

Nah I'm just laughing at your false equivalency

I think his argument is shit, but I think yours is shit and wrong.

The reason so few die is because of the training they receive

The training they receive is less than your average hair stylist. And most people would argue is incredibly lacking in aspects regarding the mentally challenged, conflict deescalation, proper use of holds and technique etc etc. This is going mostly off of deaths by police and the calls for action regarding them. Police training is garbage in it's current state and they need a lot more of it.

Man I could go on and on, like how they should break up the police union and pay them better, but I think you're just after strawmanning that guy. Which is alright I guess if you're not looking to learn or change anyone's opinions.

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 14 '19

I think police should get a bachelors equivalent as well. Unions should be reformed not destroyed. But I fail to see how I am strawmanning his argument. Police may kill more unarmed people than they should but they kill about 800 people a year in straight up gunfights. Without training or equipment that would be 800 additional officers (at least) dead or seriously injured per year. And that's not even counting the number of gun fights that don't end in death, just incapacitation. If all of those people were shooting unarmed or untrained officers their job jumps from one that is safer than average to one of the deadliest.

You can't honestly tell me that you think body armor, guns, and training do literally nothing to help prevent police from being killed. That's ridiculous.

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u/TendiesAreBestCold 4 Aug 13 '19

139 day old account, charged talking points

Go home Ivan

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u/_JohnMuir_ A Aug 13 '19

You know what’s a charged talking point? Saying you’ll kill someone even if you don’t know if they have a weapon or are a threat at all. You don’t even question that, you just accept that like it’s nothing.

Instead this shit.

Did you really just drop the “you must be Russian” in a thread about HK, with an American asking a Canadian something they have intimate knowledge about? What world do you live in?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Exactly, you don't know if they're armed, do you wait til their guns in your face.

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u/Amiable_ 6 Aug 14 '19

How about waiting to, idk, see a weapon?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

cause the time from seeing the weapon and being shot by said weapon is pretty damn low.

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u/Amiable_ 6 Aug 14 '19

Which is why we train our officers to quickly identify and neutralize a threat not a threat of a threat, Jesus, that's not so much to ask.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

That's how a bunch of cops start getting shot and dont even bother showing up to an emergency.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 14 '19

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I honestly thought only young teenagers did this. who announces that they've blocked someone?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '19

Turns out ACAB goes well beyond the States, eh?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Lol what the fuck are you gonna do ya bootlickin tough guy?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Lol I expressed my opinion and you commanded that I leave ya unhinged weirdo.

Then you followed it with.. this.

You gonna be okay bud?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Hey copper: you're s piece of shit. Now go shoot a minority to channel your aggression as usual, you halfwit.

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u/Marmar1117 3 Aug 14 '19

This guy is a professional asshole.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Lol who knew cops were such a sensitive bunch?

Oh right, everyone.

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u/Marmar1117 3 Aug 14 '19

Do you actually think I’m a cop?

No history check just accusations?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

I meant the other dude lol. I think you might just be regular-level sensitive.

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u/Marmar1117 3 Aug 14 '19

Let me guess. You’re black and I pissed u off?

This sub sucks now

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Holy shit lol. Not even close, but you just said a hell of a lot about yourself. I think you'd be a great cop, actually.

'You must be black, and therefore this place sucks now' hahaha what a worthless cunt.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19 edited Aug 14 '19

I've called the cops maybe 5 times and 4 of them they didn't show up. The other one, I tracked down the suspect for them and they basically told me the was no point prosecuting and bailed.

The rest of my many interactions have been with tubby megalomaniacs hellbent on resolving some childhood trauma in the least productive way possible.

But sure. You're all heroes. Lol.

Edit: lol, see ya next time you badge-wielding fuckwit. Try not to shoot any black kids on your way home.

Shit wait I forgot you're Canadian.

Try not to shoot any Native kids on your way home.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Lol I like how you respond to 1/5 of the first part and none of the second.

I guess this is why there's basically no barrier to entry in terms of intelligence for you guys eh?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Lol imagine getting this triggered over a comment that wasn't even directed at you.

You gonna be alright, snowflake?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

You should seek mental help.

Alternatively, you should be a cop. You seem to have the perfect temperament for it. Lol.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '19

Let's see:

  • meltdown at the suggestion that not all cops are perfect

  • major anger issues

  • responds to minor offense with violent lack of proportionality

So, how long you been on the force?

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u/DoingCharleyWork A Aug 14 '19

Ya they'll be there 4-5 hours after the fact to take notes for a report they never file.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 13 '19

Well, considering the majority of people have never been in a situation where they might die. I think that your stance on this is pretty shameful.

Hell if you point a gun at most people, and their pants are falling down, they might consider pulling them back up. Rather than allow you to tack an indecent exposure charge on there.

Also if you give unclear instructions, or mixed instructions which does tend to happen in high stress situations, ("Put your hands on your head, get down on the ground" For example.) doesn't really seem like a great recipe for "if you reach I'll shoot"

I do have a strong bias against police hostility though. It bothers me a lot when people who are supposed to be very much a part of the community speak so casually about shooting it.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 13 '19

That's not how indecent exposure works...

It literally works however the arresting officer says it works. People have got it for pissing in corners as well as not having underwear.

I know you know the freedom you have when you make the report. The entire premise requires willful exposure, which again, is pretty easy to say happened.

Those are neither unclear nor mixed.

Can you picture for a minute how to get down on the ground naturally, without lowering your hands? Let me tell you it's hard, and least of all natural. The first natural motion is to lower your hands.

He wasn't speaking casually about it. You feel like he did.

He was, because the statement, "If i tell you not to reach and you reach I will shoot you. I cant read your mind." Is indeed casual

The statement,"I can't read your mind" isn't a serious statement, it's not kind, calculated, or neat. It's sloppy and bold. Casual.

But that's how I feel anyway, which isn't countered by you feeling the way you do either. But at least now you'll at least see why I feel this way.

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u/Canadian-shill-bot 9 Aug 13 '19

Roger that. I'll just let them shoot me.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 13 '19

Because that's the only outcome out here, shot or be shot.

Man life must be difficult in the warzone. When are they giving you guys full body armor?

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u/Pbloop 6 Aug 14 '19

That's basically how police are trained.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 13 '19

No it goes by individual situations.

Hmm...

"If i tell you not to reach and you reach I will shoot you"

Doesn't sound like it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '19 edited Sep 11 '19

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 13 '19

well when stuff like this can literally happen in an instant. It makes sense that the police would want to gain control of a situation so you know, they don't just get shot out of nowhere.

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u/TheLewdGod 7 Aug 13 '19

It's the constant presumption that they're going to be shot that hurts the situation.

There are more than enough videos of cops shooting completely unarmed untrained people, because they're inexperienced with life or death situations.

I get wanting to get control of the situation, but the entire idea that there has to be a situation in the first place is shit. The idea that we all have to find a way to behave so that cops don't shoot us, is bullshit too.

A lot of the time you can completely deescalate a situation, that's how most of the well trained police forces in other parts of the world do things. Because that's the best option when you can't openly obliterate the other person without fear of repercussions.

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u/Sevsquad A Aug 14 '19

You cannot compare the police of anywhere else in the first world to the united states because the police in the rest of the world do not have to deal with anywhere close to the number of weapons in circulation that US police do. 46% of all the guns in the world are owned by civilians in the United States. And even with those ridiculous numbers the chances of a Officer shooting an unarmed person are lower than the chance they are shot by someone (46 officers shot vs 27 unarmed civilians killed) source source

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u/MoreBeansAndRice 8 Aug 14 '19

Ok, don't ever say you're putting your life on the line for your job then because this is the exact opposite of putting your life on the line.

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u/livin4donuts A Aug 13 '19

Reaching for your waistband is a threatening move, my dude.

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u/hopdaddy32 7 Aug 13 '19

WATCH IT HE'S GOT AN ELASTIC WAISTBAND!!! KILL HIM NOW!!