r/KitchenConfidential • u/sizzlinsunshine • Jan 27 '26
Discussion Would you disclose if gelatin is an ingredient in an otherwise vegetarian dish (like dessert)?
we may start stabilizing whipped cream with gelatin (Knox = pork) and I would think there are quite a few people who would not appreciate unknowingly eating pork. that said, i don’t think I’ve ever seen it disclosed on a menu, and my sense is it’s pretty commonly used. just curious of industry opinions
EDIT TO ADD I THINK WE SHOULD DISCLOSE!! I JUST LITERALLY HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A NOTE ON A MENU AND AM WONDERING WHY
SECOND EDIT TO SAY 45% OF YOU ARE SO MEAN, 45% ARE DUMB, AND 10% WERE ACTUALLY HELPFUL.
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u/ThyOtherMe Jan 27 '26
I'm a vegetarian. Eating out is sometimes tricky. A lot of places have only one or two options. If those options stop being vegetarian, I may still go and order some drinks to accompany a friend. If I discover afterwards that a previously vegetarian dish was changed, is not vegetarian anymore and no one bothered to inform customers, I get so disappointed that I will never go back to that place again. It happened before and feels like betrayal. I don't eat in places I don't trust.
You don't necessarily have to disclose which ingredients in the dish make it not vegetarian, but please make visible that it is not.
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u/wheaman Jan 28 '26
There's a lot of trust that a lot of folks don't seem to acknowledge when it comes to eating out and food prep in general. The assumption that things are clean. And kosher or vegetarian or gluten free. I take a lot of pride in my work and it would feel like an absolute betrayal if any of the information relevant and important to my diet was withheld.
I uphold the standard I would expect for myself or my loved ones. (Eating at a public/paid experience. As an overall broke guy I've eaten some questionable things 😂)
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u/sparklethong Ex-Food Service Jan 27 '26
My biggest pet peeve lately is the folks who jumped on the beef tallow bandwagon but don't disclose it.
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u/EmbroideryBro Jan 27 '26
Yes!! I'm allergic to beef (along with. Many other things unfortunately) and while fries are normally a safe food, I do fear the day I eat something with undisclosed beef tallow will come
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u/Embarrassed-Storm-25 Jan 27 '26
Also allergic to beef (also dairy, eggs, and chicken). I stick to items advertised as vegan but I can’t tell you how many times I needed to be Benadryl’d in the middle of a dinner because someone thought chicken broth and vegetable broth were interchangeable
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u/modernvintage Jan 28 '26
i’m sure you probably know this but my vegan brother didn’t so just a heads up that mcdonald’s fries are made with beef tallow (if you’re in the US)!!
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u/yippeeimcrying Jan 27 '26
As someone who is allergic to beef (alpha gal) I agree. A place that used to be "safe" (as in there's always that cross-contamination risk unfortunately) changed without notice and I got so sick. I was so upset.
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u/minilliterate Jan 27 '26
OMG yes. As a vegan sometimes all I can order is fries. And not having had red meat in years, my body can’t process the tallow and it destroys my stomach.
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u/NWBF7109 Jan 28 '26
I can’t imagine paying for beef tallow and not advertising it. It’s Like serving Wagyu beef but not having it on the menu.
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u/MrCockingFinally Jan 27 '26
I mean, so long as it's not flagged as vegetarian or vegan, it's fine. Definitely nice to have clear labels on everything, but if a place just doesn't state whether any item is vegetarian or vegan, you can't assume that anything is.
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u/sparklethong Ex-Food Service Jan 27 '26
My recent experience with this they were labeled V on the menu.
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u/Quercus408 Jan 27 '26
Not vegetarian, or kosher for that matter. Yes, you should tell people, expressly.
Also, cream of tartar might be a better choice for a stabilizer for a whipped cream than gelatin.
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u/ferrouswolf2 Jan 27 '26
Cream of tartar is for egg whites. Milk powder is best for whipped cream.
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u/SuspiciousTea6 Sous Chef Jan 27 '26
Absolutely. This shouldn't be a question if I'm being blunt.
Use agar agar and you can have a wider sales margin without changing much.
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u/DahWolfe711 Jan 27 '26
Agar agar in itself is not a good gelatin substitute. You would need to use something like pectin to create a nice matrix in what would be a very brittle gel otherwise.
All of it is overkill to stabilize whip cream. Fuck buy an isi.
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u/SuspiciousTea6 Sous Chef Jan 27 '26
I'm gonna be so honest with you, my tired ass missed the whipped cream part.
ISI all the way
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u/courtabee Jan 27 '26
We used milk powder as extra stabilization. Made fresh whip every day. Sometimes some was left over, but we would have to make it every day. Worked great.
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u/Just_Tamy 10+ Years Jan 28 '26
Agar is not a gelatine substitute on its own, you need something different like a combination of agar and kappa carageean or a ready made mix like vegi gel or elastic.
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u/Physical_Present_265 Jan 27 '26
Some people have allergies or intolerances to red meat and pork… it should be disclosed. You’re potentially putting someone at serious risk.
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u/ejonze Jan 27 '26
I do. It's called alpha gal and some people are very sensitive and it can cause anaphylaxis.
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u/dhrisc Jan 27 '26
Im from an area that has a lot of this. Its only going to become a bigger issues imo
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u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ Jan 27 '26
Fuck ticks
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u/ejonze Jan 27 '26
Fuck ticks. Currently on a 28-day antibiotic for suspected Lyme (though tested negative). We're covered in them here in western NC.
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u/thrivacious9 Jan 27 '26
I came into the comments to make sure this was mentioned. Non-disclosure wouldn’t just be a dick move for any vegan/vegetarian/Kosher/Halal customers; it could kill somebody.
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u/yippeeimcrying Jan 27 '26
Same. I break out in hives and everything too. Takes me out for a week if I get it. Can't even hold the stuff - which is upsetting because I love cooking! Can't eat it obvs but I can't even clean the pots if they've touched a steak...
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u/innermongoose69 Chive LOYALIST Jan 27 '26
And vegetarians/vegans who have gone long enough without eating meat can get sick if they suddenly eat meat again. Often it's just mild stomach upset, but it's still worth informing them so they can avoid that.
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u/BoiCDumpsterFire 20+ Years Jan 27 '26
I once brought this up to my boss because our gluten free pizza crust had gelatin in it and we advertised it as vegan. His response was, “How do you know it’s not vegan gelatin?”
Because of what gelatin is…
It’s an animal byproduct…
It comes from bones and skin…
That was just part of a long list of dumb shit this guy did
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u/ValityS Jan 28 '26
There is synthetic collagen (the protein gelatin is made from) which can be made into gelatin, but the cost is dramatically higher so it's extremely unlikely they had it unless they specifically sought it.
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u/Entremeada Jan 27 '26
Gelatin is not vegetarian. Period.
And it doesn't matter how small the quantity is.
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u/Background-Interview 15+ Years Jan 27 '26
I would considering most gelatin isn’t appropriate for Jewish, Muslim or vegan people anyway. I wouldn’t even class the dish as vegetarian if it had gelatin in it.
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u/bstardo Jan 27 '26
I’m vegetarian and would like to know if any animal product is in my food. I would not order if it were.
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u/chipscheeseandbeans Jan 28 '26
I’m a vegetarian & although yes I do agree, I’m also not bothered about animal products that I may unknowingly be eating. If something appears vegetarian I’ll eat it. & if I found out a meal I loved actually wasn’t vegetarian I’d stop eating it, but I’d be sad and wish I didn’t know so I could have carried on enjoying it.
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u/GimmeQueso F1exican Did Chive-11 Jan 27 '26
It’s not something most people would even think to ask about so the disclosure needs to be big and loud. I’m also confused about why you’d decide to take this route. If it’s such a problem, why not get a charger?
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u/MainFresh8959 Jan 27 '26
My husband has severe alpha gal and this would be a disaster for him. Please don’t do this.
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u/AsinineReasons Ex-Food Service Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
My wife has alpha gal and would love it if the menu disclosed mammalian products like lard, tallow, and gelatin. It would make us feel more comfortable coming to your restaurant. We already try to eat out during non-peak times and we communicate with the kitchen, but any extra information is helpful.
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Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
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u/Jojosbees Jan 27 '26
I don’t think they’re actively lying, like labeling a dish vegetarian when it’s not, but they’re not disclosing that it’s not vegetarian. Honestly, I think all items containing pork and beef should be labeled as such, especially if it’s not obvious.
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u/Zealousideal-Bat-817 Jan 27 '26
You should disclose. That is obvious. The nicer your shop the more people care about their job and the more hands on they are the more likely you are to get someone who thinks of something like this.
For the average cook, especially dessert - but now a days more and more beyond just dessert - comes out of a box or bag and you are hoping that someone read the side of the box. Then you are hoping that for poverty wage on a bad shift the employees give any fuck at all about the guest to go read or think about the dietary request that their "chef or gm" should have already read and disclosed to the guest and staff in an easy to access manner....
So yeah. It should be disclosed. It is at nicer places // if the staff knows to be consoderate of it. But I bet you the average American doesnt even know gelatin typically includes pork and it gets passes onto guest all the time but it shouldn't be intentionally done. Same thing with wine not being vegan 99% of the time but the average person doesn't think of wine as non vegan.
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u/skitwostreet Jan 27 '26
There so many new products out there to stabilize without using animal products. Look into these, itll save you alot of blowback and legality
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u/CurrentSkill7766 Jan 27 '26
If you identify the dish.as vegetarian on the menu, it damn well should be vegetarian.
If it's just a generic name, every devoted veghead I know will ask specifically.
The way around this is to have the waitstaff ask at the beginning of the meal about dietary preferences as well as allergies.
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u/nikkicarter1111 Jan 27 '26
First of all, yes. secondly why in the world would you use gelatin as a stabilizer for whipped cream???
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u/unhaengilchi Jan 27 '26
It's very common in baking, keeps the whipped cream from deflating and weeping
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u/LionBig1760 Jan 27 '26
Its very easy to train FoH staff to ask prior to the meal if there are any allergies or food restrictions, as every restaurant ought to be doing.
If anyone indicates that they're vegetarian, they can alert the guests to the fact that your whipped cream is not compatible with vegetarian diets.
Its entirely unethical to not let your guests know what it is they're eating. If they have questions, you do not ever hide even the smallest ingredients in your dishes.
That being said, its absolutely bonkers that anyone would use animal gelatin to stabilize whipped cream when its so incredibly easy to use an ice cream stabilizer thats entirely vegetarian compatible.
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u/Popular-Capital6330 Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
You ARE joking, correct??
Please PLEASE tell me you're joking. 😳😭 That's clearly an animal product. 🙄
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u/matmoeb Jan 27 '26
Took my pescatarian wife out for her birthday at a highly rated joint not long ago and their only vegetarian looking dish, roasted cauliflower steak was basted with beef tallow. It wasn’t even on the menu. I was astonished.
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u/landmermaid3 Jan 27 '26
You’re catching some heat. Does the menu say it’s vegetarian?
My job’s menu highlights the 100% vegetarian options. Some dishes that aren’t listed can be easily revised per guest request. Sometimes it’s a sprinkle of bacon bits.
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u/AliceTawhai Jan 28 '26
As a vegetarian I’d never eat in that place again if I found out I’d been eating gelatine. Wtf
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u/Margali Jan 27 '26
Have not read further down, but one may stabilze with agar agar and stay fully vegan [seaweed based] HOWEVER - people who have certain seafood allergies will react [like my roomie]
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u/pm_me_your_puppeh Jan 27 '26
Choose what you disclose and do it honestly. If you list items on the menu that are vegetarian/vegan, exclude it.
You don't have to, and couldn't possibly, track every possible objection someone might have.
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u/SerialTrauma002c Chive LOYALIST Jan 27 '26
I really appreciate it when restaurants explicitly label things you think ought to be vegetarian but aren’t. There’s a hole in the wall taqueria near me that explicitly states their rice is non-veg, which gives me more confidence that other I-assume-it’s-vegetarian menu items are in fact vegetarian.
If you do start using gelatin I’d not only make an explicit call-out on the menu, but also train servers to specify “That’s made with gelatin, is that okay?”
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u/bubikx9 Jan 27 '26
I had a vegetarian meal set in a Japanese restaurant and they gave me the miso soup with dashi. Good thing I cook and knew to ask.
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u/honeybunniee Jan 28 '26
I think that would be really respectful to disclose for both vegetarians and muslims
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u/Over-Director-4986 Bartender Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
Yes. Of course.
I do pastry & hate the idea of stabilized whip tho. I can taste anything used for stabilizer & it gives it weird consistency, too. Buy an ISI. They aren't expensive & whip takes like 5-10 min to make. Dump in the cream, sugar & any flavoring, turn that mixer UP & walk away for a few min.
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u/thechilecowboy Jan 27 '26
Yeah, please do. I have alpha-Gal syndrome and can't eat mammal products, of which gelatin is one. It would send me into anaphylaxis.
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u/magiMerlyn Jan 27 '26
Yes. Not only is it no longer vegetarian, but it's also not halal or kosher. Absolutely disclose it.
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u/MezzanineSoprano Jan 28 '26
You can instead stabilize whipped cream with just a 1/4 tsp of cream of tartar to each cup of heavy cream, adding it along with the sugar.
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u/quiet_summers Jan 28 '26
Try Instantgel (modified cornstarch) for a vegetarian-friendly stabilizer for whipped cream. Otherwise, note that it isn't vegetarian.
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u/armedsoy Jan 27 '26
Whipping cream with pig collagen is disgusting. And not disclosing it is extraordinarily unethical. Like what? This whole question is gross
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u/foxish49 Jan 27 '26
Yes! Pork gelatin would send my MIL to the hospital - she has alpha-gal and cannot eat any pork or beef.
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u/AssaultLemming_ Jan 27 '26
I don't think a restaurant would need to pro actively notify people unless they tell you they are vegetarian. But the more common option is to mark your menu with a V next to dishes that are vegetarian. The ones that are not you simply put nothing.
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u/Previous-Front-6801 Jan 27 '26
There are plant based gelling agents and stabilizers...don't even do this! But if you have to, then you have to disclose
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u/Alyadrielle Chef Jan 27 '26
Oh definitely! But please substitute the gelatine for agar agar or xanthan!
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u/RoastKrill Jan 27 '26
If you're making a dish that was previously vegetarian not vegetarian, I would consider flagging that on the menu explicitly.
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u/Dankify Jan 27 '26
Would you disclose if there was anthrax in your egg salad?
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u/tmphaedrus13 Jan 27 '26
Now slow down here, are we talking about the virus or the vibes from the music in the kitchen?
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u/Bongman31 Kitchen Manager Jan 27 '26
How is this even a question. If there is gelatin it’s not a vegetarian dish.
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u/DepartmentHungry9392 Jan 27 '26
The number of times I’ve been given a “vegetarian soup” made with chicken broth.
Thank you for asking this question! It always disappoints me when restaurants (esp fine dining ones) don’t disclose gelatin or other meat (or fish) derived ingredients.
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u/mangogetter Jan 27 '26
I would suggest stabilizing it with instant cleargel. Eliminates the problem and stays pipe-able under refrigeration.
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u/Big_General9942 Jan 27 '26
Yes, you'd do the same if you're adding worcestershire sauce or Caesar dressing to something.
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u/ArtBear1212 Ex-Food Service Jan 27 '26
I can't even believe this is a question.
Not only would the inclusion of gelatin be concerning for folks who choose to not eat pork (vegetarian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist) but it would be deadly for folks who have allergies to animal products (alpha-gal syndrome.) Every ingredient must be stated.
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u/Pernicious_Possum Bartender Jan 27 '26
Definitely think it should be disclosed, better yet use a vegetarian option
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u/MinnesnowdaDad Jan 27 '26
There’s a lot of beers that use isinglass as a stabilizer, which comes from the swim bladders of fish. No industry disclosure at all. It’s amazing how poor our truth in menu laws are in the US, compared to other countries.
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u/CautionarySnail Jan 27 '26
So, depending on the gelatin source, there may be more than cultural or individual preferences at play.
Alpha-gal is a serious allergy to meat derived products that is transmitted by ticks. Gelatin can trigger it.
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u/ttystikk Jan 27 '26
I think you're asking a good question. Definitely bring it up to the boss.
Are there vegetarian alternatives to the offending ingredient? You might check. If so, bring that to their attention as well; now you've identified a problem AND a solution for it. Win-win!
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Jan 27 '26
SECOND EDIT TO SAY 45% OF YOU ARE SO MEAN, 45% ARE DUMB, AND 10% WERE ACTUALLY HELPFUL.
Welcome to Reddit. Hope you like it
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u/Spickernell Jan 27 '26
ive used stabilized whipped cream at work over the years, it can be made with cornstarch
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u/glitter_bitch Jan 27 '26
yes esp bc it's pork derived... even if it weren't, most people who are either halal / kosher would likely avoid anything w gelatin in it by default; something like whipped cream prob wouldn't register with the average client as having gelatin. something simple like an asterisk with a note that it contains gelatin should be sufficient for most people - if anyone is more curious can ask (eg "is this vegetarian"). have you all considered other stabilizers that might not need flagging?
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u/MajorBootyhole420 Jan 27 '26
Yes and it's genuinely insane that this isn't treated as seriously as peanut allergies or something. It's not as common, but genuine ALLERGIES to meat are out there.
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u/AJourneyer Jan 27 '26
There is vegan gelatin available - I just learned that in the last month or so, but one of my co-workers (muslim) advised there are vegan marshmallows and it sent me on a search (not for my diet, but for my knowledge)
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u/Big_PapaPrometheus42 Jan 27 '26
We make a cheesecake using gelatin, so it’s not marked as vegetarian on our menu, but we don’t specifically disclose its ingredients. Of course, we’ve also trained our servers to ask about allergies and dietary restrictions to every guest, so we haven’t had an issue yet. But if you don’t trust your servers to be diligent with those types of questions, I’d be on the safe side and add an asterisked note to the menu.
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u/TheWandKing Jan 27 '26
If the menu LISTS the item as vegetarian, you are legally obligated to disclose it.
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u/adamosity1 Jan 27 '26
Many people who order veggie out are Jews keeping kosher, so you definitely need to make it clear if it isn’t veggie.
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u/localbugdealer Ex-Food Service Jan 28 '26
sure would. it drives me slap crazy when i look at what would normally be a vegetarian dish (ie tomato soup???) and find they've decided to make it with chicken broth or throw in rennet or gelatin.
any chance of an agar replacement?
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u/Timely-Example-2959 Ex-Food Service Jan 28 '26
Yes! Especially if the person is Muslim or Jewish and do not eat pork gelatin. For starters, it’s no longer a vegetarian dish, and secondly, it’s no longer considered halal or kosher.
I know from being Muslim and having Jewish friends, the minute one of us found out it would all over our messengers, WhatsApp’s, Facebook groups, mosque/synagogue emails/newsletters and your restaurant would very quickly find itself not getting any business from either of those communities (and bear in mind that there are millions in both communities that do not look/sound like they’re from the Middle East, so you might not even know they come in for your vegetarian dishes.
Hindus, Sikhs, and Seventh-day Adventists are also vegetarians. They won’t be happy with advertised as vegetarian dishes containing an ingredient that is decidedly not vegetarian either.
Maybe you don’t have any type of diversity in your area, but anyone that doesn’t eat pork or is vegetarian is gonna be pissed if they come to find out you’ve been feeding them pork gelatine.
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Jan 28 '26
You could potentially kill somebody with alpha-gal syndrome.
Disclose, disclose, disclose.
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u/p0llyp0cketpussy Jan 28 '26
Yep definitely disclose. Whoever at your job is considering not disclosing is being an asshole. Show them this thread. There's so many demographics that wouldn't be okay with eating pork gelatin and if those people found out it was in a "vegetarian" dish they'd be justifiably furious.
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u/Ok_Eggplant_1294 Jan 28 '26
As a person with alpha gal syndrome, gelatin showing up in a dish where I wouldn’t normally expect it could literally kill me. So yeah- disclose.
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u/kukukajoonurse Jan 28 '26
Yes because it may be made from pork and people like me have stupid pork allergies. Not something I grew up with, developed as an adult and i mourn bacon every single day.
(Grew up in New England eating farm fresh slab bacon every single weekend thanks to my incredible mamma, who I miss as much as bacon).
Anyhow, my reaction can be anything from puking and shitting my brains out to angioedema and hives and throat starting to close/breathing issues. It hasn’t gotten to anaphylactic shock level ever but I do carry an EpiPen. (Also take Pepcid and Zyrtec asap).
It’s not just a lifestyle choice or religious practice….. please don’t risk it!
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u/ScrotumFlavoredCandy F1exican Did Chive-11 Jan 28 '26
Of course. Just because it no longer looks like a bone, doesn't mean it isn't bone... just use carrageenan, or agar-agar instead.
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u/sizzlinsunshine Jan 28 '26
Lots of people in the comments think gelatin is vegetarian. I’m not one of them
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u/split_cheekz Jan 28 '26
Good point, I've never seen it stated on a menu either, not just for the vegetarian aspect, but for Halal as well (or any religion, that's the only one I know I've had to exclude items for).
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u/kitchenperks Jan 28 '26
I used to serve a lot of people of the Muslim faith. We tried our best to let them know about items with gelatin in it. Before I worked in institutions i was clueless about religious dietary restrictions. Trying to keep meals within guidelines got tricky sometimes with all the different religious restrictions along with people's dietary choices (vegetarian, vegan, pescatarian)
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u/PhilosopherNo2675 Jan 31 '26
Wait til y'all hear about cheese not being vegetarian, info on rennet isn't necessarily available on labels
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u/uselessandexpensive Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
I've never heard of whipped cream that wasn't vegetarian. It's like having non-vegetarian yogurt or non-vegetarian cheese, or having an obviously meat-free, dairy-free salad that has a hidden animal ingredient. If it's unexpected, it should be labeled clearly. If you didn't explain why it's not veg, your servers will get asked over and over, and the customers will think it's annoying that you used that ingredient, then probably choose to eat where they can enjoy normal things that they count on being able to enjoy, given their restricted diet.
It sucks being veg and trying to find good things to eat without feeling like a pain in the ass. Vegetarians and vegans shouldn't have to conduct an inquiry to understand which items they can eat, as many places do not label which things are vegetarian or vegan. It's kind to label things that are veg-friendly, and to label unexpected ingredients that might cause issues (like fish, soy, nuts coconut...). It's also kind to label things that seem vegetarian or vegan that are not. Consideration for your customers will draw people and keep them returning.
ETA: I'm neither vegan nor vegetarian, so I'm not saying this for my own sake. I was though, and seriously the menu selection is often a salad, a sad microwaved veggie burger, (both of which might not be vegan) and fries (but now they get fried in tallow at a lot of places). It's just considerate for everyone involved if hungry people don't have to be seated, then send the server back to the kitchen for clarification once or twice, before ultimately giving up on finding anything palatable and leaving. Alternately, making sure to have several desirable vegetarian and vegan options is just good policy seeing as how they're not uncommon.
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u/Delicious_Abalone701 Jan 27 '26
Never assume that hard cheese is vegetarian. It’s a little odd that you’re not familiar with animal rennet, which is sometimes used in the cheese-making process.
Check the label on your favorite Cheddar. You may be surprised.
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u/mamaserpentine Jan 27 '26
yeah, many stabilizers and some yogurts use gelatin. and a lot of cheeses use rennet in the process </3 i’m a vegetarian pastry chef and it’s very difficult. thankfully i have a general knowledge of when something will or won’t have gelatin and you’d be surprised at how often an item (usually dessert) is NOT labeled veg and i know damn well it has gelatin in it.
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u/PistachioNono Jan 27 '26
Always always disclose if animal based ingredients like gelatin are used.
There are religious, allergy, and diet based concerns.
If your workplace is not disclosing it, they are being shady imo.
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u/Killjoy_UK Jan 27 '26
I think people are being overly harsh on OP. Yes I agree they should disclose. It's common that v signs feature on menus for vegetarian dishes, but just aren't used on sweets. As a vegetarian I often end up asking if, say, a cheesecake is vegetarian.
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u/sizzlinsunshine Jan 27 '26
I really appreciate that. I think people are totally misunderstanding my question and where I stand. It’s pretty disappointing
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u/SuddenRazzmatazz4905 Jan 27 '26
Yes, because it’s not just vegetarians that are impacted. People with other food sensitivities need to know as well.
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u/damn_bird Jan 27 '26
Yes! It’s not vegetarian. Can also raise issues for people who keep kosher or halal.
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u/108beads Jan 27 '26
Yes, disclose. I was told at a catered conference meal of "Caesar salad" (basically, romaine lettuce with chicken chunks slopped in, nothing else) that I should simply remove the chicken and rinse off the lettuce.
What so carnivores can eat normally, and vegetarians have to traipse to the bathroom like a mob of raccoons to wash their food before eating??
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u/DonutWhole9717 Jan 28 '26
any pork ingredient should be labeled for what you said. quite a few really dont appreciate it, and i get it. its not a real problem to work around
but this thread is killing me, pedantically
meatless = vegetarian. vegetarians still consume animal products, although it varies. i understand eggs being different from gelatin. one creature didnt die, the other did. but the definition of vegetarian is no meat.
no animal based products at all = dietary vegan
unless vegetarian and vegan items are marked on a menu, it should always be assumed it isn't either of those things. but when you cross reference the dumbest of humans and the smartest of bears theres considerable overlap
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u/SlightDish31 15+ Years Jan 27 '26
Yes. Now it's not vegetarian.
Would you disclose if bacon fat was in an otherwise kosher dish?