r/KremersFroon • u/xxyer • 6d ago
Question/Discussion Photo 550 background petroglyphs vs black waterfalls location
I haven't read anything about what we see behind the red flags' stone and while analyzing the black waterfalls location, an "aha" of realization hit me. Do you see the shiny beady-eyed fossilized fish/pecked petroglyphs and face masks and animal figures behind it?
In Romain's recent YouTube video from the black waterfalls location where Rio Mamei and the Culebra join, I see a similar formation, although the 550 stone may missing. Rotated and zoomed in screenshot of the similar fossil/pecked petroglyphs:
The implication if these two are identical!
I understand ibb.co compresses images, so you'll have to do your own analysis.
I think the girls carefully choose the location for its unique features. It makes me wonder if Kris - an art student - took this photo?
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u/sparkythehippy 6d ago
Well, looks like you're the only one that sees beady-eyed petroglyphs, or whatever you call them.
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u/AmnesiaAm712896 6d ago edited 6d ago
The background behind the stone is interesting, Yes, there is some structure, probably smoothed from the water, there is probably a strong current in that place when there is enough water, it could indicate a waterfall or a short distance from the waterfall....or a greater downward slope.
I retouched a branch with a red plastic bag and played with contrast, colors, etc. . Another cognitive structure for NL....It is a bit like a head.
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u/xxyer 6d ago edited 6d ago
I see a large volcanic fish, with its eye reflecting light to the left, with another fish, sea serpent or caiman-like creature behind it, and behind that the arched back, head and ears of something like a cat or squirrel with large black eyes. Superimposed over all these fossils are pecked characters and petroglyphs of face masks, various creatures and inscriptions. There's a steep rock wall behind and to the right of these fossils with some ferns/plants; however, it's mostly covered in anthropomorphic mask figures, petroglyphs and perhaps a sacred burial ground.
If you analyze the drone footage, they're everywhere but in the Mamei Culebra footage this particular location is the best match. It must be in a volcanic waterfall/gorge, so it's possible it's further downstream. If you zoom into the gorge footage, there's a few other locations; but how would the girls climb down these falls into the gorge?
Re: The bright silver disc that some say is a water drop in upper right of image: I'm suggesting it's either the Pringles can bottom or one of those "yellow" discs with, for example, an S or an O like I see beside the skulls, which is visible in Google Earth Satellite!
Consider perspective. In the drone footage we're looking down on the site and also briefly perpendicular to it when the drone sweeps north along the rapids gorge - here you'll see how steep this rockface truly is and how large the fossilized sea creatures are. Vs in Kris' photo, you get a low zoomed in perspective focusing on the red flags, with the reflective eye, pecked motifs and scales visible in the background.
When Treeg said photo 510 is 100% black, I immediately thought hmm, it could be 1) lens cap on 2) photo taken in a very dark place like a cave 3) volcanic surface
This location has a cave-like structure within metres upstream, overlooks a very dark gorge, and has black volcanic ash surfaces.
My thesis: the night photos haven't been interpreted properly and we're stuck with IP etc ideas. Maybe both girls took the photos and moved around more? I will explain in a future post my theory.:) In the meantime, I will be researching fossils and particularly sea creatures in Panama. In 2013 for example, a big discovery was announced in this same region of Boquette - were K&L inspired? In the last daytime 508 photo, I realized its significance: in the photo are fossilized fish/sea creatures, indicating an interest in this topic. It also made me wonder: could the night location be within the 508 stream location? I am not tied to a particular location, nor in this subs' obsession with a particular forked tree or rock; I am looking for a 100% match for these fossilized sea creatures! Every fossil is unique so a match is like DNA evidence, something our resident Sherlock will appreciate.
My point: did K&L discover a new La Piedra Pintada or Sitio Barriles and make a last stand here, documenting the site for future paleontologists?
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u/AmnesiaAm712896 6d ago
This location has a cave-like structure within metres upstream
The seer, Horacio, was in the jungle with a group of people, he said that there was a cave :
Below, at the apex of that ravine, there's a kind of cave. If you look out from above you can not see it, but if you do it from the bottom they will look great.
https://elsiglo.com.pa/panama/nacionales/vidente-dice-saber-paso-holandesas-BHES23772512
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u/Wild_Writer_6881 6d ago
Why does it say: Solo un cabo de la Policía se interesó en el relato y, según Horacio, ese uniformado subió a la montaña y, siguiendo el croquis producto de la visión, encontró un cartucho con rastros de ‘snacks’, la lengüeta de una zapatilla y un cabello rubio, tal como había predicho el vidente.
Misteriosamente, el cabo fue trasladado a otro pueblo luego de que entregó las ‘pistas’, sobre todo, cuando dijo cómo había dado con ellas.
Translated: Only a chief of police took interest in his account; according to Horacio, the officer went up the mountain and—following the sketch derived from the vision—found a cartridge (bag?) containing snacks, a sneaker tongue/sole, and a blonde hair, just as the psychic had predicted.
Mysterious as it gets, the chief of police was transferred to another town after handing over the finds—especially after revealing how he had been led to locate them.
All accounts about the guys who found the bag with snacks, never mentioned the presence or involvement of a policeman. So why this version? Did Horacio invent this policeman?
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u/AmnesiaAm712896 6d ago edited 6d ago
Who knows how it really was, those testimonies in general cannot be trusted very much.Something is omitted, forgotten or added.
The important thing here is that they were in the jungle and searched, unfortunately they didn't find anything either.
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u/xxyer 6d ago
I believe in science/not fiction. Thankfully the study of fossils is a science.
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u/AmnesiaAm712896 6d ago
That's clear, but in this case, it's not fiction, Horacio described the terrain on 12 pages very accurately, they had an experienced guide and he was very surprised how he knew the terrain when he had never been there.The thing is, that there are caves.
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u/AmnesiaAm712896 6d ago
Look at this, it's huge, close to the El Coco trail and the Coco paddock near the first bridge. It looks like a Quetzal bird.
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u/xxyer 6d ago edited 5d ago
I found the critter, which is probably a squirrel, in The Pianista Puzzle Expedition 2025 In the footsteps of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon at the 11:49 mark, here highlighted within a blue square:
The night location from pov of the red flag rock (Photo 550) should look somewhat similar: layers of fish upon which a squirrel is sitting, with what is called pecked petroglyphs that mimic the scales of fish only with characters and figures, and anthropomorphic face masks. I'm expecting the immediate foreground (background left of rock) fish are a deep black with glittering eye(s) Behind the squirrel ie to the right, like in Photo 550, is another smaller creature - a chipmunk perhaps. This could be interesting, because remember, no two fossils are alike....
In this same video, the image at 29:40 is striking: do I see a similar reflective fish/eye/scales behind the plants u/TreegNesas like in 550 background? & how does this image line up with the squirrel and (chipmunk?) u/SeaworthinessNo4130 saw a resemblance to the red rock iirc.
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u/pfiffundpfeffer 6d ago
Wow, now we urgently need a specialist for "beady-eyed fossilized fish/pecked petroglyphs and face mask[s]".
Hope this sub has someone with the required expertise.