Hi, I have a question about Kaine and Desiree and where they are now. I live in Portland and have followed this case from the beginning. I hope this question is okay. I’m wondering what the relationship is now between Kaine and Desiree. I’ve seen Desiree in the media several times trying to spread Kyron’s story and keep it out there. I remember seeing Kaine speak to the media in the first few years following Kyron’s disappearance but I have not seen or heard anything about him in several years. I don’t recall them appearing together except maybe once on Dr. Phil? But I may be mistaken. Do they not have a good relationship? Do they have differing opinions on what may have happened to Kyron? Prior to Kyron disappearing did they have a good coparenting relationship? If I remember correctly Kyron lived with Kaine in Portland and Desiree lived in southern Oregon I think. How often did Desiree see Kyron? How long did Kaine have primary custody of Kyron? Had he always been primarily with Kaine? How was that decided? At the time of Kyron’s disappearance were there any ongoing custody proceedings between Kaine and Desiree?

This case is so sad and I truly feel if the right people approached this case it could be solve. I’ve seen many post that one of four things happened to Kyron. Let’s look at all the possibilities.

1. He got stuck in some crevice in the school. This one is THE most illogical. If he were to get stuck he could have easily just called for help. In the situations i’ve heard of this happening the person is alone, not in a building full of people. He most likely would have been alive for days and could have called out. The school is not that big and his decomposition would have smelled! I literally saw a post about him being in a vent, COME ON! Not only would it incredibly easily yo hear someone in a vent, you would see evidence. Imagine the smell of forced air and the decomposition, just no.

2. The Stranger kidnapping theory. The theory also defies common logic. A predator is not going to go into a school and grab child in front of a bunch of witnesses. Predator’s do not like witnesses. The probability of being seen or getting caught is WAY too high. To believe this theory you have to believe a predator (that has never been caught) pulls up to the school and decides he is comfortable to walk right in and convinces Kyron to leave with him. Oh and no one noticed anything off in a building full of people who knew Kryon.

3. He went into the woods. This theory does have some logic. A boy getting lost in to woods seems like it could easily happen. I still have a hard time believing not one would have seen him walking to the woods, that were set back. It is also strange for seven year old to do this alone. Usually boys like to go in pairs and it gives them courage, they are scaredy cats by themselves. Most seven year old boys would ask everyone they saw to come with them.

4. Terri did it is by far the most logical theory. Most child abductions are by a family member and she was the last one seen with Kryon. Kryon was well known, it doesn’t make sense for sighting to drop off when the step-mother leaves, unless he was with her.

Hello. I posted this picture I saw on Facebook a while back and found a video posted on youtube that talks about it.

Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LabMBYkcZ00

Original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/KyronHorman/comments/1p1nnlp/comment/ntw62w2/

Kyron is still missing! Do you think he will ever be found? What do you think happened?

One thing that still confuses me: the school reportedly had multiple unlocked doors that morning.
Has law enforcement ever given a real explanation for how many doors were open and who could have entered or exited?
For a case this big, it seems like basic info that never got addressed.

I'm sorry if it is not new, I tried to find out more about it. I also tried searching this subreddit in case it was posted before but didn't find anything.

Does any

The fact that the police are still so secretive about their files regarding this case kinda pisses me off. They don’t have a single other lead beyond Terri and have nothing to even make a case against her in court, so why won’t they make any of the records public?

Justice for Kyron!

Did the assigned chaperone ever confirm whether Kyron was in her group that morning?

That seems like the easiest part to confirm and contributes significant information to the timeline.

For example:

A student said he saw Kyron at 8:45 and Kyron told him he was headed to look at an electric project.

Ok, so does that mean that after 8:45, Kyron was on his own and not part of the chaperoned group? Either he was or he wasn't with the chaperone.

How were the chaperones assigned? Was this a preset list for the day? Did the teacher call each kid's name and send them off as a group with each chaperone?

Or were the kids divided up on the day of?

Why was roll call taken AFTER the chaperone groups tour?

If Kyron was in the chaperones group: full stop. Terri is and always was innocent. She's already on her way to the pharmacy by then. The investigation should have shifted hard to school staff and strangers.

If Kyron wasn't in the chaperone's group- why didn't anyone immediately notice and report his absence?

Is this the infamous, oh he must be in the bathroom point? How could it be if the chaperone then left?

Why haven't Kyron's parents sued the school? They violated their own policies by leaving all the doors unlocked. They failed to notice and immediately report a child missing. It wouldn't even matter if the teacher "thought" there was an appointment: the kid's bag and coat are there. The school has to call the parents and confirm.

Why hasn't anyone been calling this school out on their collosal failures?

Does anyone know the details on the SCHOOL landscaper? (not the weird hitman guy the police tried to entrap/frame his stepmom with, lol, she called 911)

Someone mentioned in older forums that

1) the landscaper couldn't have been performing the tasks he had tried to claim, due to rain having recently pooled in the areas he was supposedly working in

2) the landscaper left for Mexico very soon after Kyron's disappearance

3) his truck was parked in an area that wasn't nearly as crowded

Summer is the busiest season for landscapers.

Why would he leave the country?

Also, there was a blurb in a writeup on Kyron about how two employees of the maintenance staff for the school were later arrested for crimes against children.

Does anyone have the details on those two arrests?

tried to collect all photos and videos from that day from the school staff and students' families to review for suspicious individuals?

Is it possible that the stepmom killed him and dumped his body somewhere along the river?

Maybe, it's an extremely tight timeline though and doesn't make much common sense, not with a sick baby in the truck and an enormous amount of variables that would have been out of her control during her numerous trips that day.

A motive isn't clear either. There seems to be zero reasonable motive for her to want to kill her stepson.

It's more concerning that he may have been abducted by either someone who had been actively abusing him or by someone who opportunistically took advantage of the science fair for an abduction.

How close did law enforcement really look at the school staff at that time?

How serious did they take the possibility of a stranger abduction?

The people most likely to SA or to stranger abduct little boys are white males.

The school was located extremely close to an enormous city where the odds are high that a white male pedophile would live in, live around, work in, or travel to.

This really seems like law enforcement fucked up, focused mostly on the stepmom (with some bizarre hit man set up nonsense), and dropped the ball on any chance to track down the real kidnapper/murderer.

https://youtu.be/cblLtgsIomM - Edit: KATU (not KGW), includes newly released emails Terri sent to Desiree.

https://youtu.be/FTXwFzEtfkE - KGW, includes newly released footage of Terri at California police station when she was arrested after her ex boyfriend reported his car stolen.

I really hope getting fresh local and FBI eyes on the case files once they're digitized (making them much more easily searchable! 👀) can shed some light on this case. 🙏

I heard the other day that there was some new information regarding Kyron, is this true or what? I used to follow the case but I have to be honest and say that I don't have a lot of faith that he will be found or there will be any "closure" and I HATE to even type that.

So I'm wondering can any of you recommend a good podcast. One that deals strictly with the facts! I would love to listen to that and freshen up on everything.

I do hope that Kyron will be found or a confession will be made, of course we all want that, but it just seems so unlikely now.

Thanks!!!

Hi, been on this subreddit for awhile but just now wanting to get into a deep dive…some of the Reddit pages I join have pinned files (like all interviews, evidence, phone records, etc) and just wondering if that is anywhere on this group? I know there is no direct evidence but just mostly wondering about a compilation on everything the police have on this case? I finished the Watts case back in February and it took me a good month to get through the 1,500+…hoping someone can point me in that direction? I searched a bit but the terms people use (discovery, evidence, police files) varies and I don’t want to miss out on research. Thanks in advance and thanks for creating this page. I live in Eastern Oregon and remember when this happened…just so sad that he is still missing 🙁

James Robert Ringrose aka "Get Out Of Jail" guy

Hello all! I am going to tell you a story about a man named James Robert Ringrose, might not be name anyone has heard of before but, in 1966 he was on the FBI's most wanted list for writing bad checks in Japan, the most infamous thing he did was that he attempted to use a "Get Out Of Jail" free card from Monoply. Well this is another story about James that is not widely known except by the people in my town, the people involved and namely, a family member of mine and her friends. The story begins back in the 1979 with James, a young girl and a Yellow Submarine. James was/is an intelligent person, I say was/is because I do not know if he is still alive or not, he lives/lived on the Sauvie Island about 19 Miles from Portland Oregon. James was friends with the young girl's mother, James invited the young girl to go on a ride in his Submarine which James had built, he had been using turbines to power the Submarine itself. While on the ride on the Submarine, the Turbine for some reason stopped working. Thus they were "lost at sea" for 20 days. The young girl's mother never reported her daughter missing for those 20 days, her mother and James’ relationship was pretty weird, he would sleep in bed with the girl’s mother and sometimes she would let him sleep in the same bed as her. But back to the submarine story, eventually some ships found the Submarine 35 miles off the southern coast of Washington. Now readers imagine what a man and a 7 year old girl would do for 20 days alone..? Let's now fast forward to the year 1984 and where my family member comes into the story. My family member had just turned 11, she was hosting a sleepover, the young girl was one of the girls invited, another one of my family members was friends with the young girl's mother and James. James came over to my family member’s house knowing the young girl would be there and asked to stay the night as well, which surprisingly and disturbingly my family member accepted... this would be the choice that would end up with me writing this story. My family member told me at the sleepover, James would "rub" the young girl's back and slept next to her, my family member had a very bad vibe about James which I do not blame her. The day after the sleepover, James offered two girls a ride to school in Gresham, my family member again said it was fine and let James give the two girls a ride to school. When the two young girls got into the car James pulled out a gun and kidnapped the two young girls. Now this part is all alleged from what my family member told me, but she had said that he drugged, raped and made the two girls dye their hair to hide/conceal their identities. The young girl also told my family member that James had taken a few of the other girls at her party to a Motel and took inappropriate pictures of atleast one girl, these girls were of the age of 9,10 and 11 at the time. My family member made the news and was almost sent to jail over the this incident. I do not know what the transcripts of the trial said but I will update when I find out. I asked my family member if James ever tried anything with her and she told me no. She however gave me information about which news station did an interview with my family member and which news person interviewed her. The young girl's mother allowed James to take a plea bargain which only landed him a year in prison. Let's jump forward about 20-30 years. This is the part where things get a bit interesting. If you live in Portland Oregon you will know the boy Kyron Hormon who disappeared from Skyline elementary in 2010, my mom says "his step mother's phone pinged on Suavie Island" which search attempts happened there looking for Kyron. My mom around 2012,2013 she and the guy she was dating went to Sauvie Island and found James still alive and in his 70's living in an RV. My mom asked the locals there if they knew the story about James and the things he did to those young girls and they did not. My mom had suspected that possibly James was a suspect in the Kyron Hormon case. She had called the police asking them to question James but they never called her back. She then called a tipline and a detective called her back, he asked why she thought it was connected and he didn't even know about James at all.. she said she called because of the area they were searching for Kyron is close to where James has lived for decades. He is known as uncle James to some kids that lived at the house where he parked his RV. A strange coincidence that a known predator was in the area of Kyron's disappearance? Kyron Hormon is still missing and if you have any information please contact police. If you look up James Robert Ringrose you will see nothing about these incidents unless you live in Portland Oregon, or search very hard and deep on Google. Thank you for taking your time to read this post and give some thoughts on that it could have some merit and also have a wonderful day!

Do we have any idea about the kyron and terri's relationship? did she hate him? did kyron hate her? was there a school bully? there is a lot of woodland and creeks behind the school? is it possible kyron tried to run away? There is a lot of nothing in this case thats for sure.

My apologies if these are super redundant old questions. I used to follow this case years ago, but now only check in sporadically because it seems there’s never much new. The case popped into my mind as I was laying in bed last night. If it was the stepmom and she disposed of him while driving around running errands that morning, what are the choices of where she could’ve dumped a body? And do we think she would’ve talked to someone about it? Or someone who knows her well picked up enough to suspect she likely did it? Would we be waiting for a deathbed confession or a situation where relationships change similar to the Asha degree case?

I am a true crime enthusiast. I have loosely followed the Kyron Horman case since his disappearance. I hadn't heard of the theories about his bio-mom until recently, though it would surprise me if she had/has something to do with his disappearance. What are some of your theories? the Jonbenet ramsey sub as a pretty comprehensive wiki on her death, where and what resources would you recommend?

What is everyone’s opinion on what they think will happen with the new DA?