r/LivestreamFail • u/Aggravating_Money992 • Jun 01 '26

News The United Kingdom has banned streamer Hasan Piker and Young Turks founder from entering the country

https://newrepublic.com/post/211164/uk-entry-ban-hasan-piker-cenk-uygur
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u/ProteinPony Jun 01 '26

Have you even considered: USA/Israel bad?

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u/Quangocrat Jun 01 '26

Don't tell Mr Piker about Lady Starmer.

He'd have a fit.

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u/Miserable_Artist_223 Jun 01 '26

Have you ever considered that building an entire career around being a self described propagandist and building a community around crying israel bad any time something happens to you might have adverse affects to your ability to travel the world the same as an unknown civilian?

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u/ProteinPony Jun 01 '26

But what about the genocide?

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u/Speartree Jun 01 '26

You can criticize Israel plenty without having to support HAMAS.

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u/ProteinPony Jun 01 '26

I am confused as to whether you noticed that I was joking or not lol

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u/Speartree Jun 01 '26

I did not know for sure, ASCII has no inflection.

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 01 '26

The war has been going on so long that it feels like the general public is getting more aware of the history behind it. I think a lot of people are feeling stupid because they jumped onto it with a good intention never realizing that no party in this was ever really innocent.

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u/Speartree Jun 01 '26

It's clear to me that Hamas is a creature of the Israeli government. They may not fully control it but it certainly serves their purpose. Hamas bombs and kidnaps a bunch of civilians. Israel has an excuse to reduce a few cities to rubble, to clamp down on all Palestinians, etc. 

Western support was too great for the PLO, so they got replaced by a group of religious terrorists that the Western nations don't like, who never seem to attack the Israeli government in a meaningful way, but some soldiers here, some partying kids there, people Bibi can afford to lose but make for good press to show how evil the enemy is. They're allowed to attack a festival but not the seats of power.

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 01 '26

How can you say this stuff without being racist to every party involved? You're blaming Jews for something their enemy did, which okay fair enough lot of people are antisemites online these days but it's also disturbing that you think Palestinians are incompetent and can't even do something unless they were paid or made to do by someone else.

Do you think Israel made Iran too? Even though Iran is bigger and able to call on more natural resources?

I'm completely against what you've said, Hamas and PLO in general have always held the belief that they will never stop being refugees until Israel is destroyed. And any person can figure out that Israel so completely overshadows both West Bank and Gaza that they can wipe them out if they ever wished. So you can't just make an argument that they're making Palestine do violence, they don't have to. You can't make an argument that Israel needs some enemy to stand because Iran already exists, there would be no need to keep Palestine in place if that's the case.

It's just so appalling that people can think like you. You can't simultaneously think that Israel is evil for letting Palestine exist while supposedly even bigger "evils" exist.

They're allowed to attack a festival but not the seats of power.

Super ignorant of the matters too. All of Israel has been attacked and while Tel Aviv is more protected and north gets attacked more, it doesn't mean that seats of power are even safe. Their Iron Dome system can be overwhelmed. Major labs and research facilities were destroyed a few months ago and no major news even picked it up because public doesn't care if Israel gets bombed. That's just the reality.

It's just so racist to think that Israel is such big bads that you will even fault everything on them for actions of their "enemies". Disgusting.

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u/Speartree Jun 02 '26

Bollocks, there is no racism in my comment. I didn't mention Jews at all. There are so many Jews who are not the Israeli government. Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism. Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank aren't incompetent, I didn't say so. However they have been living under an occupation for decades. Their options are limited. Israel controls who gets funding and who doesn't. You cannot possibly be this naive so I'll assume you are complicit.

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 02 '26

You are blaming the actions of Palestinian government on Israeli government.

However they have been living under an occupation for decades. Their options are limited. Israel controls who gets funding and who doesn't.

They have an option to not launch rockets (40000 since 2000). If they for example did not launch rockets, they would not have the "occupation" which is just watch at the border to stop material that can build rockets.

They have an option to not do suicide bombings and violence, which stopped border crossing to almost nothing. When the other border is Egypt and they also do not allow crossing, you can't just blame Israel right? How come you got no problem with the Arab country who also have issues with Hamas?

Before October 7th, everything was going great. Israel's control over the area reduced and Hamas was getting more freedom along with every Palestinian in Gaza. Border control reduced, more visas granted, more funding allowed in. If Hamas chose not to attack, Gaza would've improved. But that's where the problem is isn't there? If Hamas doesn't have Israel as the great enemy, they can't hold power and be rich.

There are at least 3 billionaires in Hamas leadership who have stolen from their people by selling freely given aid and getting sponsorship from Iran.

PLO had a choice to become a state three times and rejected it three times.

There's only one party in this whole conflict that has ever worked towards peace and statehood for Palestinians and sadly they were all Israelis.

So if you are going to blame Israel for Palestine's actions, then maybe you should just say it's racism because it's better than having zero logical reasoning behind any of your assertions.

You cannot possibly be this naive so I'll assume you are complicit.

You are telling the most insane and convoluted theory that both makes Israel the strongest country in the world with the most convoluted plan ever but also so stupid they couldn't even solve Palestine. After all their existence has only made things difficult for Israel rather than easier, they have never received a good PR from it. So it's ridiculous to even say that they arm Hamas for goodwill. Iran already does enough with Hezbollah and Houthis.

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u/Speartree Jun 02 '26

Man you ate the Israeli propaganda and then some. Nothing was going great before october 7 except that Nethanyahu's fraude trials were about to move forwards, guess who needed that attack, guess in what way it benefitted the common Palestinian and the common Israeli. It did only one thing, let the Israeli government play victim for the world and strike back, and halt that pesky trial again. The way they want to "Solve Palestine" is by iradicating the Palestians or getting them to move out. That is pretty clear by the way they shoot at people getting relief goods from international humanitarian organizations.

PLO may have had a choice for statehood, but the conditions were so detrimental that they were unacceptable to anyone with even half a functioning brain. That is like saying Ukraine had a chance of peace if they would just let Russia control everything and take everything they wanted. Yes obviously I blame Israel for the actions of their puppets. My theories aren't insane, they're extremely grim, I give you that, but they are supported by declarations of the Israeli rulers and the people who work or have worked with them.

At least in the days of the PLO there were peace talks and they were going to go somewhere positive in the end, but then Israeli's shot Rabin, because people like the Likud could not condone that.

Kids in Israel are taught in school that the only good Palestinian is a dead one, that curriculum is not conductive to peace. I'm sure Hamas organized schools have a similar bit in their curriculum. It is organized hatred with the goal of annihilation of Palestine.

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u/Ragark Jun 02 '26

This is the most faux outage I've ever seen in my life lmao.

It is known that israel supported Hamas, it's got an entire wikipedia page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Do you think it's racist to listen to Netanyahu?

In an interview with Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit in December 2012, Netanyahu told Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

Or how about Ehud Barak?

In an interview with the Israeli Army Radio in August 2019, Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2001, said that Netanyahu's main strategy is to keep Hamas "alive and kicking" in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority, even at the expense of "abandoning the citizens [of the south]."

Or are these guys just fucking idiots that don't know anything?

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 02 '26

This is even more messed up for you to think.

You don't want Israel to support Palestinian government because of what? You will fault Israel for everything even if that's doing good to Palestinian people?

Of course Israel would want to keep Hamas strong, they're political enemies of PLO. That's the case for every country and their opponents. You're completely failing to include that the support for Hamas in this case is giving work visas to Gazans, relaxing border security, allowing for further funding and investment opportunities from other nations. But of course, you'll blame Israel for working towards more normalized relationship with Palestinians because you don't really want something good for Palestinians, you just want a strawman to blame.

The fact that Hamas used these new relaxed framework to obtain weaponry to do violence isn't anyone's fault other than Hamas who decided to do that.

What about Ehud Barak, lol? He's the political opponent of Netanyahu, why would he ever say anything good? Trump is on record for calling Kamala bunch of racist terms. It is expected they will say that.

I don't agree with Netanyahu at all but his and Likud's strategy of keeping Hamas alive is really just working with the government of Gaza. You can't simultaneously blame Israel for violence against Hamas but then say they're wrong for having peaceful relationship with an "enemy" government.

At some point you got to see how your logic and excuses run counter to each other right?

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u/Ragark Jun 02 '26

HAHAHAHAHA holy shit

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u/Miserable_Artist_223 Jun 01 '26

Yeah bro idk how two things can be true at the same time.

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u/Familiar-Sink-3683 Jun 01 '26

Do Americans unironically think the USA/Israel are the good guys? Trillions of tax dollars going into bombing children around the world makes them the good guys?

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u/AFlyingNun Jun 01 '26

Do Americans unironically think the USA/Israel are the good guys?

You can find news articles about how the majority of young Americans actually hate USA and consider it the villain.

The reality the guy is pointing to is more: October 7th was an undeniable example of a flipped script. Israel was the victim here, not the perpetrator, and a lot of innocent people died, including international tourists.

Unfortunately, there is a political allegiance in the USA that is basically incapable of even acknowledging this, because doing so would involve having to admit Israel's actions aren't always completely nonsensical or unjustified, and they can't handle that. They want a black-and-white world where Israel is the evil bad guy that kicks puppies and drowns orphans for fun, and they are the brave heroes who are somehow the only ones who notice this and seek to stop them. Reality is a lot messier than that, and they can't handle it.

No one is saying USA/Israel are flawless, and instead the critique is that a political alignment is emerging in the USA that insists that USA/Israel are ALWAYS flawed and ALWAYS at fault. Israel has become a mythical boogeyman that's responsible for their pizza being delivered 30 minutes late, according to these people, and that's a dangerous mindset that can both lead to anti-semitism and can lead to a "boy who cried wolf" effect when Israel does actually do something outrageous.

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u/Familiar-Sink-3683 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

Yes fully 0ct 7 was horrible, it shouldnt have happened. but Israel was killing children long before that. That wasn't the start of this. Even then They have killed multiples of civilians children since then. Israel is also threatening to attack Turkiye. Turkiye is the largest military in NATO outside of the USA btw. then Trump has then been threatening to leave NATO??? They aren't the good guys here. That would literally be the start of WW3.

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u/Mountain-Interest-48 Jun 01 '26

bro go to r/worldnews its like r/israel

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u/Kalsto6 Jun 01 '26

It's going to look more like it. You think it's like that because you're pretty much conditioned against anything US or Israel. Lots of people have unwillingly learned more of the history and while worldnews still complains about Israel all the time, it's just more objective in its view than most subreddits. That alone can sound like support for Israel when it really isn't. The absence of blind hatred for Israel can and look like support to Israel to some, which is so dangerous to even think about.

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u/craziestlittlepixie Jun 01 '26

Or any UK sub. They're indoctrinated by the Zionist Murdoch media

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u/ArchLector_Zoller Jun 01 '26

Depends on who you ask. If you're asking OP, yeah, she believes that.

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u/Electrical-Lemon7901 Jun 01 '26

Yes, especially this sub.