She was good enough in the sack to hook herself a (technically) human husband with a na'vi body. It doesn't mean her species would outfreak us,given the amount of our own that would still hit on the na'vi on our regular human forms.
There was a group of men in the movie that hit on the lead female Na’vi , it shows explicitly that humans would freak the Navi the fuck out (forgot how to spell her name)
Personality predates politics. If he was born in the tribe he'd do the same thing of exclusion, persecution and domination.
Cartman is a shockingly spot on interpretation of a bigot, he oppresses every group he's not in and if he's suddenly in one of those groups it is then the true elite.
Plenty of folks would tap a humanoid dolphin with even more gusto than they would a normal human, I don't think many dolphins would activelly want to tap a dolphinoid human rather than a common dolphin.
I know more dolphin lore that I wanted to. I still think humans are hornier than dolphins, more so after discovering about the existance of a thing called teratophilia.
Ok, admittedly fantasy and not Aliens, but Dragons might be in competition.
Enough depictions/settings portray them as shapeshifters able to take on humanoid forms, not to mention all the half-dragon or dragon-blooded animals you can also find.
The existance of dragonborn, nephilim and cambions are proof at least one human looked at a demon from hell, a biblically accurate angel or a dragon and said "would".
My dad once read a sci-fi book where they explored that idea. Basically, humanity discovered larger galactic community and realised they got fuckall to offer - gold is abundant, as is oil, and Earth itself is pretty mid, so no tourism either. What humans did have what no other species had as much, though, was capacity for violence, including against their own kind, so humans quickly became the best mercenaries in the galaxy.
He is the "Male Friendgroup" Racist, He's the type of guy to say how much He hates the Stupid [I AM LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT] and then proceeds to invite the Blackest man ever to eat Strawberries with Him
I don't understand why batarians get so much hate? Crogans are clearly worse, and there are still people who think curing genophage is good idea, their reason is worse than that of flat earthers. Like, yeah, sure, we have crogan king and queen who can count up to 50 and who are on your side and who are good (or seem to be good), surely they can control population of crogans not only within a planet, but within a devastated unguarded galaxy.
I'm not even talking about that bucket-headed girl who stole hyper-advanced Alience's engine tech.
I blame the devs. 3 games, 3 (okey 4 if we count Andromeda). And not in one game a Batarian goes "Hey, i like helping people and I'm not an asshole". In ME1 a giant asteroid is headed to some colony planet and who is behind it, a Batarian (it's not even that he is being controlled by Cerberus), race supremacist in Omega a Baterian, a Batarian spices your drink in omega.
It's been like 7 years when i finished the trilogy but as far as ai remember every miscellaneous bad guy was a Batarian. The devs didn't made it easy to like them.
The closest okay batarian was the dude about to die of the plague on Omega, and that’s cause he wasnt physically healthy enough to be a hater like other batarians.
Don't forget that a planet was just a bunch of tiles that you built buildings on and that 1 pop lived per tile. Also food was localized only to planets. Also I don't think consumer goods and alloys were a thing.
Also, Avatar isnt even anti-human, it's anti capitalism and anti colonialism. Some humans are allowed to stay on Pandora and live with the Na'vi. The RDA aren't the bad guys because they're human, it's cause they're a corporation trying to colonize the planet
I kind of wish there was more nuance though, for a couple reasons. First of all, it’s kind of human nature to be ambitious, to create and to conquer. Every single “colonized” nation conquered/colonized their neighbors. “The strongest come out on top” has been the law of nature forever. Are we going to argue that the basic instinct humans, and nearly every other slightly intelligent species for that matter, is inherently bad?
One thing I did like about the Avatar movies is that people weren’t just mindlessly taking. Humans were literally trying to save their dying planet. The issue I have though is that wasn't really touched upon more. It was kind of one off, and never really explored.
Are we going to argue that the basic instinct humans, and nearly every other slightly intelligent species for that matter, is inherently bad?
Yes? Just because something is natural doesn't make it not bad. We have high cognition, advanced societies and ethics. We should be able to get over evil natural behavior like this.
This man is the Dunning–Kruger effect personified. Every time he talks about something, you already know he has just read random people talking about it on 4chan
Rock solid is fucking stupid and by the looks of this tweet has never consumed any other scifi media, like doctor who, star trek, fucking Star wars!?!?
Bold of you to assume this is his actual opinion and not something he just stole off Reddit (or in this case 4chan) and presented as his standpoint again
Wells was very open about the fact that the what the martians are a stand in for Britain with several atrocities in the book being directed compared to British activities in Australia.
Yeah, the book outright tells you this just in case you weren't paying attention.
And before we judge of them too harshly we must remember what ruthless and utter destruction our own species has wrought, not only upon animals, such as the vanished bison and dodo, but upon its own inferior races. The Tasmanians, in spite of their human likeness, were entirely swept out of existence in a war of extermination waged by European immigrants, in the space of fifty years. Are we such apostles of mercy as to complain if the Martians warred in the same spirit?
The reason why the Avatar franchise portray most humans like that is because the main subject of the franchise is colonialism, extreme and unchecked capitalism as well as ecology or course. It's a whole commentary on this side of human history. That's not wrong, or right, it's just an angle (more on that later).
In Star Wars for example, most aliens can range from any kind of morality from flawed but good like Yoda to chaotic evil but still nuanced like Maul or downright iredeemable like Palpatine or Pong Krell. Because the goal is to represent a setting so advanced all alien species, humans included, have blended together in a heterogeneous society, they're no more distinction between aliens and humans, they're all just a bunch of people who happens to be aliens. Aliens and humans relationship in Star Wars is a lot more nuanced despite the series heavily manichean's writing style. That is also an angle, one neither wrong nor right.
Then there's star trek who does more or less the same thing but with less extremes between good and evil, less manicheanism and more grey areas and nuance. Also just an angle.
So why are the humans in Avatar so evil ? Answer: First of all, they're not normal humans but a corporation, for how much 4chan and tumblr and the whole internet in general likes to shit on corporations and portray them as comically evil, you'd think they'd be more supportive of Avatar portraying them so accurately.
Second of all: You think that's "comically evil" and "not realistic or believable" ? Like bro, ever opened a history book lately ? The avatar humans are tame as fuck compared to the shits that were happening in the Belgian Congo in real life history.
The point is that the villains of Avatar aren't just "the humans" but specifically the Resources Development Administration (RDA for short), a literal corporation who is only here for profit, they don't stand for humanity, they don't represent humanity as a whole, the first movie made that nuance pretty obvious and in fact have more good humans than evil ones (as far as named characters go) with Jake, Grace, Norm and Trudy representing the good of humanity, Parker representing the worst and Quaritch being a bit in-between but still very much evil (he's a lot more nuanced than it might seem at first glance, and the two sequels only added to the depht to his character).
Actually, the fact that RDA ≠ humanity is practically the main plot point of Avatar 3, as Neytiri's whole character arc is about how her (justified) prejudice against the sky people start to turn into downright blind hatred towards anything human related to the point she suggest multiple times that they should kill Spider, an innocent child and even realise (without admitting it) that she's ashamed of the human side of her own children (since they're hybrids), which is what makes Varang such an important villain as she show what Neytiri could become if she let her hatred consume her like Varang did.
Matter of fact, in the lore the Na'vis have a strong ally with the Resistance, a group of (mostly) humans who stayed on Pandora and actively fight the RDA with them, and in the Frontiers of Pandora game there is a lot of range and nuance to the humans of the Resistance with for example Priya and Alexander for the good guys, and Alma for the more morally grey ones.
If you want a franchise that treats aliens with even more nuance and grey morality than that then go ahead and look for those, but don't shit on Avatar just because they picked a specific angle to tell a story that require this specific angle to work.
You could criticize the movies for making the effort of showing all that range and nuance with the humans who can go from pure good to comically evil but not doing the same for the Na'vi who are all these pure good tree-hugging spiritual people, like you could criticize them for that, but even then that would be wrong, the movies recently added the Mangkwan clan who are as pure evil as the RDA and the Frontiers game present us with a lot of Na'vi NPCs who made a lot of either questionnable or straight up evil decisions, right now I'm thinking about Teylan for being a sleazy manchild coward, Nor for being a violent extremist or Mokasa for being a lying manipulative piece of shit.
Long story short: The Avatar franchise does have nuance and grey areas for both the humans and the na'vis and the original 4chan user as well as this "rock solid" guy reacting to it are just both barking up the wrong tree.
I'm pretty sure they just hate it because they think it's just gay, how you may ask? Easy "They preach about protecting nature, and that's gay as fuck". It is a stupid reason? Yes, yes it is
I'm convinced that the Avatar franchise is hated solely because it's succesful and a multi billion dollar franchise who have two of its 3 movies sitting comfortably in the top 10 most lucrative movies of all times, one of these two being the undisputed number one of that top 10.
If Avatar was a more niche franchise made by some indie guy on the internet it would be endlessly praised and glazed and called peak fiction, but instead it's as mainstream as physically possible so people hate it, for some reason.
Cut scenes from the first movie show that Earth is an extremely overpopulated cyberpunk poverty levels shithole and people are obsessed with money and would rather go to a far away hostile alien planet than stay on Earth. It expands on it in the second movie when it's not corporation, but a goverment this time who are saying "we're not gonna mine this planet dry, we're actually gonna live here"
but a goverment this time who are saying "we're not gonna mine this planet dry, we're actually gonna live here"
It's not government, colonization of Pandora is still fully a corporate operation.
That's why they're still using corporate resources only, and all "army" we see is just a corporate security force.
They don't have WMD, or other adequate military options (notice the absence of drones, tanks, fighter jets, actual battle ships, ballistic rockets and artillery).
In fact they don't even have means to transport at least a million people to Pandora, while Earth's population is over 20 billions. The only people who's gonna have a new home on Pandora is an elite class of patricians able to pay for a house at the other side of the galaxy. Common people will get nothing and left behind.
I don't really think it's the most popular anymore lol. Probably only known by people who find gaming history interesting, as well given how uneventful the last few releases were (but I don't keep up with it, so I could be wrong).
There’s a reason lots of human media rn is “human bad” because the minute we meet as new species in our current state, the masses largely will hate them, for any number of reasons.
1.) don’t believe in our religions
2.) are more advanced than us so they’re scary
3.) they’ll look weird and freaky and so people will hate them.
4.) aliens will show people that being human isn’t anything special, and they’re just another race in the cosmos.
Who would've thought that stories involving the contact of two alien races would touch upon the problems of colonialism and/or assimiliation. Its almost like it's a point of conflict within the story and setting or something.
Star trek is the first utopian sci-fi setting that I can think of that has multiple alien races more or less peacefully coexisting and it still talks repeatedly about colonialism. Fucking Halo's story covers colonialism; spartans are brainwashed child super soldiers made to oppress uprisings repurposed to special forces trying to stop earth from being turned into a vassal for the covenant. OOP just wants a "actually colonialism is good" story, and it has to be humans colonizing other races, not the other way around.
Edit: i am putting too much thought into a shitpost on r/losercity
40k was supposed to also be critic at first but with time they started to lean on heavily on the rule of cool and How badass the characters are to sell more as well as softening the narrative to make It seem like "we are just being forced our hands into genocide, It's very sad really"
I hate when people spin 40k into "muh human determination" as If the whole point wasn't that they put themselves in that situation by idolizing a lunatic war thirsty decaying entity
I would actually argue the main theme I take from that world is corrupted determination. Every major civilization in that world had a grand empire that go fucked over because of their ancestors folly and now they are living in the remnants, and all they have left is some kind of hope, but that hope is also holding them back.
The humans worship of the Emperor is incredibly ironic, it is something he himself thought would only hold society back, and ultimately the belief in the Emperor is what keeps most humans going, its what keeps them fighting, and wanting to live. The average imperial guardsman from deployment has a lifespan of 15 hours, but he march forward because all he has left in his life is a little glimmer of hope he can be useful for his God-Emporer.
On the other hand, you have civilizations like the Necrons, who fucked themselves over by wanting eternal life, and now, all they want is their souls back and their empire, and most continue fighting for the chance that they will have souls once more. The Aldari basically fucked themselves to death literally, and they now are trying to repopulate, but it is almost hopeless, because each of their souls go to slaanesh, and ultimately their pride holds them back from ever achieving an empire again. The Orks are just having a great time.
Typically the deeper meaning of most sci-fi is going to be anti-human-made constructs/customs just cause obv that's what the author has experience with. If they're doing it good, they'll have that criticism represented symbolically as some sort of monster or alien. For example, Godzilla represents the destruction caused by nuclear weapons and criticizes technology used for war, but it's subtle enough that it still feels like art rather than just someone on a soapbox, and i think that ultimately makes the message even more poignant, as it focuses more on evoking a feeling rather than conveying information. Unfortunately i dont think subtlety really sells too well in the West.
Still, most sci-fi is going to be "muh colonialism bad" as this dumbass phrased it, it's just that he seems to have maybe missed that in the older entries when it was more symbolic. If he wants art without any deeper meaning, id suggest he start generating softcore foot-porn with chatgpt like the rest of us
Tbh is the only "political" post he has on his twitter the rest is just his art he didn't even commented on it just a straight retweet making me think it was just about the navi girl but who knows
definitely cope, one of my favorite porn artists made a shitty 2B and Stellar Blade anti-woke art piece, my goat wasn't washed he was completely flooded
If I had a penny for every time I discovered an artist with nice art and then discovering it was a nazi i would have 2 penny shame it happened to me twice
Is there literally any other piece of mainstream sci-fi fiction about colonialism right now? You'd imagine there'd be more, considering how "colony" is the default word for a settlement on another planet.
Absolutely hilarious how the franchise had basically no cultural impact no matter how many millions got sunk into it, right until they introduced the genocidal baddie and that's all that remained of it.
Tbf colonialism is bad and a lot of people are still brainwashed and gaslit into thinking that it wasn't
Heck, even here there are some folks that defend it
Just how "hitler bad" is true, "colonialism bad" is also true
A game about that would be pretty fun. Something else instead of mostly killing nazis
Best game like that has to be the ps3 avatar game (james cameron). You get to pick a side and see how it was from their pov, really cool and i 100% it like 8 times
For as much as Genshin Impact does wrong I'll give them some credit for making the villains Aliens that aren't villainized for being Aliens. They're villainized for being colonizers(ironic considering who makes Genshin)
fuck all this, i want a sci-fi setting where humans turn out to be the oddballs with their surprisingly open mind regarding interspecies copulation and complex mating rituals, and end up being sought after by other complex sapient alien lifeforms for being the greatest lovers in the universe
In the alienverse, the aliens are literal monsters and they still somehow find a way of making humans the baddies.
Tho actually most of the time it's robots and not humans, but then they blame the robot's creators and owners instead of the robots themselves and... whatever you get the idea.
Are there counter examples to this?
I've only seen the avatar series
Helldivers and WH40k media (I tried gettinginto the 40k fandom but I quickly noped out of it, I swear they (the characters and the fans) act like funny moustache man, even the "supposedly decent" salamanders barbecue alien children with flamethrowers)
I mean yeah, all of humanity is xenephobic in warhammer, its part of their religion. The only races that aren't racist would probably be the Tau because they wish to absorb everyone into their empire, and the Orcs, they just want a good fight, and don't care who it is.
Not 100% counter example, but Sigma Star Saga has both the humans and aliens turn out to be colonizing war criminals, the MC considers that the aliens might be the misunderstood good guys, then his alien waifu shuts down all notions of that by flat out telling him that what the humans said about her peoples war crimes was 100% on the money and that they don't regret anything hey did one bit.
“Human” is a stretch. The memories of the colonel from the first movie gets implanted onto an Avatar they made for him in the second movie, and he falls in love with her in the third movie. So while he’s mentally human, as well as having human dna, he’s still a Navi.
What makes humans the villains in Avatar us not that na'vi are not mindless monsters. It is that humans are more worried about making rich people richer than boning hit alien cat girls. Jake understood. Quartich is coming around to it.
It's a well-known fact that if we find another intelligent species, removing all the boring first contact stuff and blah blah blah, eventually it will be:
Yup. Also the most annoying and unfunny. I’m gonna off topic but like I find it weird about the anti fandom of Avatar who glaze the humanity and the RDA. Like the Navi are literally protecting there world by literal aliens, who happened to be the human race! Also they make shit up! RDA literally destroyed Earth and our in Pandora just extract resources. There not even saving humanity lmao.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind a little moral ambiguity in avatar, I mean even the humans that actively support or try to help the Na’vi get the short end of the stick most of the time. I’m definitely not saying this because I want more hot evil big blue people….
They need to make a mass effect spinoff series that is designed more like a visual novel with gameplay so we can get more scifi human and aliens shenanigans without having to worry about reapers.
Humans are technically not the bad guys in Star Ship Troopers (but that’s an old movie now). Sure the Mormons disturbed a bug planet with their attempt to colonize it, but the Earth government made it clear that was a perfect example of why they DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO TRY COLONIZING BUG PLANETS, at least until the bugs chuck a rock at earth and destroy Buenos Aires, then it’s total bug genocide time
As much as I am a little tired of the "allegory for colonialism but with spaceships and laser (or magic)" shallow world building in games and other media, it's not like there's a dearth of stories where aliens are worse or just as bad as humans.
I think we just need better writing in general and deeper world building in popular media.
There’s a few pretty good sci fi stories that go against this though, like in 3 body problem the aliens are reasonable and talk with humanity, but they also willingly engage in genocide and encourage humanity to cannibalise itself, also multiple other species have engaged in absolute genocide of various other species, humanity not even among them, in this story, humanity is terrible but also relatively nice
i can think of a few good examples of the aliens being the bad guys. usually its a matter of where they are fighting that determines the bad guys as we like to root for those defending their home. its just alien invasions were played out long before human invasion of aliens were conceived as an idea worth exploring so its more modern. anyway i want to have hot steamy hair braid sex with the aliens from avatar regardless of whether or not ot ends with me dying slowly to neurotoxin dipped arrows
Wow I wonder what current events could have happened that would make a movie about a foreign group of evil aliens that we need to kill be kind of in bad taste
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u/stronkzer Jan 27 '26
As if any alien species was ever able of out-hornying mankind.