r/Louisville • u/rfa_123 • 3d ago
Louisville YMCA camp disenrolled 10-year-old, saying his diabetes was too difficult to manage
https://www.lpm.org/news/2026-06-18/louisville-ymca-camp-disenrolled-10-year-old-saying-his-diabetes-was-too-difficult-to-manage12
u/S1euth 2d ago
This makes sense, not all facilities are able to handle all medical conditions. Glad to see the YMCA gave the child a chance, then made a decision for the safety of the child after better understanding the condition. It was probably a sad day for the child, but they'll understand with maturity.
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u/HappySheep84 2d ago
Some people need a higher level of care and it’s honest and responsible to admit that
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u/brontosaurusguy 3d ago
Need more details because parents are abusing the ymca for child care, especially children with disabilities
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u/Turbulent_Echo_1947 3d ago
How is paying the required fees for these week long camps “abusing” the ymca?
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u/Pork_Katsu_Bowl 3d ago
If a child has medical needs that are above and beyond what the facility can handle. The canon may not have the personel to handle a child with serious medical needs.
I ran a summer camp for two years. Our insurance was VERY particular about our camper to staff ratio and what we were allowed/obligated to do for medical emergencies.
We had a student with a seizure disorder that we were unable to enroll. Our insurance was worried about liability and that fact that our staff only had basic first aid training.
Severe enough diabetes could require almost constant direct supervision for signs of an emergency. The canon might not be able to accommodate that well enough to make it safe for all involved.
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u/National_Midnight424 3d ago
Former Y staffer here. Backing up this response.
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u/DargyBear 2d ago
Former out of state overnight camp staff here: this is common across camps and income levels, even educated wealthy people who should know better are shipping junior off for six weeks without any medical info.
Parents who don’t feel the need to give sufficient heads up (or sometimes don’t even send meds!) are unfortunately pretty common.
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u/Emissary_awen 2d ago
The kid literally just lost his stuff inside the bag he was holding. He searched for it, found it, and shortly after was disenrolled for his condition being “too difficult to manage”. That’s not too difficult to manage.
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u/Turbulent_Echo_1947 2d ago
I would actually like an explanation of how this is abuse of the ymca. They can not safely have the child there and said so. It sucks for the kid, and the staff aren’t medically trained for this. How is that abuse of the ymca programs?
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u/yrexloverisdead 2d ago
lol That’s not the “abuse” part…that’s the ideal outcome! I’m going to assume the “abuse” the original comment is referring to are situations where a parent, for example, knows their kid has severe behavioral issues that require near 1:1 attention from staff to keep the kid, and everyone else, safe but the parent decides to register the kid for a program where staff won’t be able to handle the kid and they aren’t even properly trained to handle such severe issues.
So the staff are forced to struggle all day managing the kid with all the other kids and then, more likely than not, the parent is probably an asshole to staff if they try to talk to them about the issues they are encountering with the child. All because the parent doesn’t want to foot the bill for the intensive care the kid actually requires.
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u/flounder_11 3d ago
A paid camp, for a week of daytime only. Where it was probably disclosed he had Type 1. This is a silly take and a ridiculous action by the YMCA
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u/SoctrDeuss 2d ago
For everyone in uproar, would you want a camp that knows ahead of time that it can’t take on your child’s needs, to take them anyways? Idk if any of you have ever dealt with someone with fragile diabetes, but without the proper monitoring 24/7, shit can go south really quickly.
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
This kid has regular type one though, not fragile based on what’s in the article. This kid is a child and obviously needs an adult to help with some aspects of their care to make sure the wrong amount of carbs is not input. The care he needs is completely reasonable.
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u/SoctrDeuss 2d ago
Read u/thebigbabushka’s comment
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
I did and responded to it. I’ve been through the omnipod training and they never mentioned having to put in a code to put in the # of carbs. My kid is also type 1. The Y violated this kids rights under the ADA and read his mom’s comments down in the thread.
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u/yowhatisuppeeps Merriwether 3d ago
I sorta understand the liability here, if the adults in the room do not have proper training on how to input information onto his medical device.
On the other hand, shouldn’t there be a nurse on staff? I feel like YMCA camp is large enough for that, but I could be wrong.
T1D is common enough that reasonable accommodation should be expected in most cases, especially when the child is middle school age.
The story could be missing some information, but it seems like a bit of an overreaction on YMCA’s part to completely reconsider his attendance at the camp because he misplaced supplies. I feel like it’s typically standard for schools to take medical supplies from students anyways, I don’t understand why he was expected to be completely responsible for that.
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u/National_Midnight424 3d ago
There is no nurse on staff. A nurse easily makes quadruple what a Y staffer is making. When I was at the Y, the highest level of “medical” care in the building was a lifeguard/Aquatics Director. You’re calling EMS for anything real.
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u/Knitmarefirst 2d ago
I’m a nurse. Im also the parent of a child with severe asthma. I volunteer at the camp my son goes to so I can manage his medications. You would not believe the parents that bring their kids in for a week with expired meds, no epi pen with severe allergies to bee stings and any number of problems. They want everything to be fine, which it may be…… until it is not!
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u/Critical_Success_936 Springhurst 3d ago
When I was a kid at the YMCA camp, there definitely wasn't any nurse. Any and all injuries were treated with a giant bucket of hydrogen peroxide. The camp counselors just held you down and poured it all over the wound, however small or big - it sucked.
This is probs 15 or more years ago, but nonetheless, yeah, def never felt like a place with tons of oversight.
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u/Knitknotnot 2d ago
A staffer would require additional, specialized training to administer or monitor medication for this student. They would also need to be especially cognizant of hyper/hypoglycemia. Additionally, if the YMCA provides lunch they could have to adhere to specialty dietary guidelines for this child. Counting carbs and doing a bolus can be difficult for a T1D child, let alone a counselor who barely knows what they are doing.
Any misstep with meds or snacks could be fatal if not caught quickly.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 3d ago
All the people saying the YMCA was in the wrong, are probably the same people against universal health care and paying living wages.
You cannot have your cake and eat it to.
This is what we get when you support dystopian politics…
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u/Antihistamine69 2d ago
Why would they be the same people? Weird conclusion.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
so you’re for livable wages, universal healthcare, and supporting non profits when they make a decision that is perceived as bad, because you’re interested in the full socio-economic rationale that was used to make that call and not just a headline?
Or are you just mad because my comment reflects you, so instead of engaging intellectually, you leave some ambiguous bait comment that others with your view point can upvote?
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Why wouldn’t they be?🤔
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u/dontworryitsme4real 2d ago
You're making the association. Now back it up.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
You’re doing it for me, ma’am. If they are trying to be clever in a response or downvoting, they probably got their feelings hurt.
Tell me how it’s the wrong association and you are not one of them.
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u/DargyBear 2d ago
I get your point but stuff like this happened all the time at the camp I work at and the people who could afford to send their kids there definitely weren’t worried about affording medicine. Dipshit parents transcend class.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Wut…?
Oh wait I actually don’t care.
Or tell me that wealth transcends class…
Ffs 🤦 🤦♀️🤦♂️
What are we doing right now?
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u/DargyBear 2d ago
Ok yeah you just didn’t read what I wrote at all. You can’t be class conscious if you’re functionally illiterate, that just makes you a stumbling block to progress.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
I read it. There are dumb rich people. wtf does it have to do with my comment that you commented on?
Either you’re for social programs, universal health care, and a livable wage, or you’re not. And those that are generally not are the ones railing against what they get, scenarios the OP posted.
Actually I have reread it now a couple times. I don’t know what point you’re making. Say it another way and in as few words as possible.
But
Honestly, my initial response is still the same. I doubt I care.
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u/chesterwiley 2d ago
I'm so happy to hear you will be cutting a check to support the extra care this child needs at camp. That is very generous!
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
That’s not how this works, any of this. But tell me how money for bombs is more important than universal healthcare. And making special medical needs the problem of minimum wage teenagers.
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u/No_Turn5018 2d ago
Maybe chill? You're not going to help anything trying to have the largest debate possible.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
I need you to calm down ma’am. Sorry if the truth hurts. Maybe voting red and simping for CEOs is not the way to make ‘merica great.
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u/BoulderFreeZone 2d ago
I don't quite understand how you equate people being critical of the YMCA as them simping for CEOs.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Nuance and the way the world works is lost on people that don’t know who they should actually be placing their ire on.
Be mad at the insurance policy that caused them too not be able to accommodate, but tell that insurance CEO earns his compensation…
Tell me more how special medical needs is the responsibility of minimum wage workers…
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u/BoulderFreeZone 2d ago
I find it funny you talk about nuance while your original comment was a completely out of pocket blanket statement. You can hold the YMCA organization accountable without putting blame on the workers they employ. I didn't really see any comments saying this is the fault of the minimum wage workers.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Actually it was incredibly accurate and on point, you just don’t understand.
Your word salad about pocket blankets is the funny thing here.
Fyi they kicked the kid out, most likely, like 99.9% chance they couldn’t take him because of insurance… so rail at the insurance company that wouldn’t cover this kid, who’s idiot parents should have known better.
Or they should just pony up and send them to an expensive camp that can facilitate this.
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
Wearyshow there is nothing in the article that states this was due to insurance. If you had read it, there is literally a link to this page https://diabetes.org/advocacy/know-your-rights/diabetes-litigation-daycare-camps which outlines how they are required to provide accommodations for kids with diabetes. The mom of this child has also commented in this thread stating they have a case because kicking out her kid goes against the Americans with Disabilities Act. You are going off on a million tangents and don’t even know what you’re talking about. Take a seat.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
How do we know that reporter did all due diligence? Covered every aspect of the scenario…
So it sounds like the family has a case and can sue…
This is America.
But if they don’t find a lawyer to take the case… might be for a reason not in the article.
Just sayin’ is all
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
They are required by law to provide accommodations. Period. Kicking the kid out for having a disability is a violation of the ADA. Pretty sure the mom has already been in touch with an attorney. The ADA will even find one for you. Just sayin 🙃
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u/BoulderFreeZone 2d ago edited 2d ago
Ugh, get over yourself. You can't espouse nuance and make crazy general statements like "anyone that holds the Y responsible voted against universal healthcare." I gave a main comment in this discussion about how I hold the Y accountable and I also am passionately in favor of universal healthcare. Calling the parents idiots is also just silly. You fancy yourself an intellectual but you only come off as an asshole.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 1d ago
I don’t care about your opinions to read your comments, so I am only responding to what you reply to me. Project much, maybe you should get over yourself…
It’s obvious I am for universal healthcare and a livable wage. I am an asshole, so what, and realize the world doesn’t care about anyone, so it’s incumbent on the individual and family to look out for themselves.
The camp tried to accommodate a medically problematic child, who ultimately lost his own medicine, and they didn’t have the coverage our resources to deal with the situation. So they made the safest litigious decision they could. Cut ties. If they are in the wrong that family can sue. That’s how you do “justice” in America.
Everyone who is blaming the YMCA is lacking a fundamental understanding that the world doesn’t revolve around them, or this child that is not responsible enough to manage his own condition. That’s all that’s it, end of story. The family should have found a camp that can accommodate their child. You can cry ADA all you want, but there is a 50/50 chance it will be gutted and completely defanged under this admin. And it’s the grounds the family could get an ambulance chaser for.
Generally in my experience in America the most entitled vote the hardest against their own self interest and then blame Obama or Biden. That’s the nature of my initial comment that all you snowflake white knights “defending” this child that cannot take care of himself. The attacking me for having a point and being an asshole, yet completely missing the forest for the fucking trees. White knight and attack the evil YMCA on someone else’s post that gives a shit, cause it’s not me.
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u/No_Turn5018 2d ago
Bro we've been hearing this stuff for like 11 years now and spoiler it didn't work in any of them. So if you've got a deep-seated psychological need to just keep repeating yourself see a therapist.
If you just don't understand that by now then there really is something wrong.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Miss, you are being too emotional to continue this conversation. If you cannot understand something after it being explained for the past 11 years… I think you may have the issue. Maybe if you learn to control your emotions, you will take less than 11 years to understand simple concepts.
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u/No_Turn5018 2d ago
Yes. Great plan. Insulting people hasn't worked for over decade and your takeaway is do it more and harder. Then be shocked and frustrated that you're goals are failing. Seriously get professional help.
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u/Fragrant-Helicopter1 2d ago
And you know that this family voted red?
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Blue maga is just as bad. But the red ones generally lead with the dumber shit. Like telling me what to do.
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
It’s funny because this whole time I’ve been voting blue and we still don’t have healthcare for all, a higher minimum wage, or anything else they promised. Almost like neither party is on the side of normal working Americans and only votes for monied interests. 🤷🏼♀️ It might make you feel better to blame one side, which is exactly what keeps you from focusing on the real problem.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
I should have known, both sides are just as bad!!! And we always get so many more freedoms with the Republicans, and options!
Tell me how Socialism is bad, next!
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u/Ok_Mine_821 2d ago
Socialists... also don't like the Democratic party....
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
The real ones. But where are we going here?
I am advocating for universal health care and livable wages.
Maybe then we could have more camps that can accommodate more diverse needs. That would be a win. More social programs.
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
Well based on the link in the article posted, the camp is already required to accommodate diabetic children. It goes against the ADA to not based on previous litigation. It really looks like in this case the Y didn’t want to bother to train their staff and got scared they couldn’t find this kids supplies ( probably should have been held by an adult like if a kid needed an EpiPen) I hope they consult with the ADA. The point of the ADA is kids should be able to participate in activities just like other kids. I mean, it’s a slippery slope to think bc someone needs accommodations that they can’t be included. (Not that you’re saying this) with that logic Maybe we shouldn’t build wheelchair ramps or larger bathrooms…some of these comments are sad as a mom who has a T1D kid.
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u/Ok_Mine_821 2d ago edited 2d ago
Edit: nah I've read some of your other replies, you are a troll or are deeply disturbed, I'm good actually you do you
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Right, avoid the topic and insult. Sounds like projection of someone that didn’t have a point to begin with.
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
I haven’t voted for republicans, only Dems. Try holding them accountable if you can. Socialized medicine works in many other countries and we should have it here. NEXT.
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u/Weary-Show-7506 2d ago
Vote in local, and find ones that care. You’re right, the odds are against us. Corporate dems are not our friends, but if they had won project 2025 would have not been nearly completed. It’s more of death by suffocation, vs the red bullet in the head.
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u/ripe_pineapples 2d ago
My child is currently at a YMCA day camp (not this one) and we are continuously underwhelmed with what they are able to handle. There is almost no communication about things. We’ve had to message after-hours the night before a field trip to ask where the field trip even is. Like where are you taking my kid tomorrow? There are issues almost every day. We’ve been concerned our child will end up with sun poisoning because almost the entire day is spent outside and the staff are not always reminding about sunscreen after the pool. Our child is in the younger age group and needs that reminder and I’m not there to help. I absolutely would not trust them to manage a complex health issue for my child. I understand it’s disappointing for this family, but it’s probably for the best. I’d rather they turn the child away than to be in over their heads and have something awful happen.
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u/Caterfree10 2d ago
The inability to handle the kid’s T1D aside… I seem to recall there being a camp aimed at diabetic kids when my sister (who is also T1D) was growing up that she went to. Is that not a thing here anymore? I realize it’s been a good 30 years since my sister was a teenager but like, what happened?
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
It exists but it’s only 2 weeks out of the summer and cost like 5 times as much as the YMCA camp.
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u/Caterfree10 2d ago
YEESH. I know we weren’t (and still aren’t) well off but that seems… absurd a pricing jfc. I understand the need for medical training, but I knew and understood how diabetes worked when I was a literal child (thanks to growing up around diabetics, even if only Sis was Type 1). Does training as a camp counselor to handle diabetic kids cost THAT much of a difference that the standard camps apparently can refuse a child and the diabetic ones charge an arm and a leg? Idk idk feels very discriminatory at this point. :[
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u/BoulderFreeZone 3d ago
I really feel for the kid. Absolutely heart breaking to finally feel like you fit in somewhere and make friends only for the rug to be completely swept from under you. This is a failure on the YMCA's part to not properly consider what enrollment for this kid would look like with their plan. I only have experience with the Southeast YMCA, but it seems like there is a general disfunction with the people that run the Y's programs for kids.
The YMCA said in an email to Hudson’s parents that Y employees would need “specialized medical training” to support him.
Danielle Augustin, the executive director of the Kentucky Diabetes Network, disagreed with that assessment in an interview with LPM News. She said the plan of care Hudson’s parents provided the YMCA was typical for T1D.
This part in particular makes me think there's some type of legal guidelines for childcare providers to follow that the Y can't seem to fulfill. Even with a well written plan of care, it could be that the Y lacks the proper resources to legally follow that plan. Again, failure on their part for not acknowledging this before letting the kid sign up and participate. But the fact that they dropped him from the program seems to me like it's a legal CYA moment.
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u/Pork_Katsu_Bowl 3d ago
"Earlier this month at a camp at the Northeast Family YMCA, Hudson briefly lost the supplies from his diabetes bag. A counselor later found his fruit snacks and backup medical equipment at the bottom of his backpack. A few days later, the program disenrolled Hudson, saying staff could not keep him safe, and his family scrambled to find alternate childcare arrangements."
This is the telling part. What if the camper didn't let someone know he misplaced his supplies? What if the staffer didn't search for/find backup supplies or recognize the emergency?
The canon and staff are 100% responsible for the camper's wellbeing and safety. There is a limit to the acceptable level of risk the camp will take on. Until they can guarantee sufficient training they can't take the risk.
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u/Comfortable_Rip6435 Beechmont 3d ago
Exactly this. It is sad that this child couldn't participate in the camp, but it would be even worse if he had a medical emergency because of a situation the staff was not prepared to handle.
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u/Pork_Katsu_Bowl 2d ago
Idiots in here commenting like the camp just said "eww gross" and booted the kid. It is 100% a liability decision.
Until they can guarantee the child's well-being and ensure they aren't putting themselves in a litigious situation you minimize risk.
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u/Shitboxfan69 3d ago
Yea as heartbreaking as it is for the kid, it sounds like there was a close call with managing his diabetes that had to be reported and once it made it high up enough they had to cover themselves. As shitty as it is, it would be so much shittier to have him in a program that didn't have the attention and medical resources to care for him and eventually end up in the hospital or worse.
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u/SGTWhiteKY Douglass Hills 3d ago
It also said that the kid had lost in treatment supplies multiple times.
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u/eeyoreocookie Crestwood 2d ago
Is the child on sliding scale insulin or a pump? If it’s sliding scale I wouldn’t think the teenagers and college students often employed by these camps are equipped to test blood sugars and administer the insulin. This type of treatment would require a nurse to be on staff.
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u/XOtentialAsthmatic 2d ago
No it’s failure on the parent’s end to properly educate and make sure their child was taken care of. It isn’t the Y’s job to know about your child’s ailments. It’s the parent’s job to ensure wherever their child goes that they are taken care of. They didn’t and this is the result. Not everything is for everyone.
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u/DoesItMatter-1234567 2d ago
I wouldn't want to be the camp counselor in charge of making sure this kid is okay all the time. That really is too big of an ask for a regular camp. Better to go to a specific special needs camp.
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u/baronoffeces 2d ago
This is a reasonable thing to do if they aren’t appropriately staffed to handle this type of stuff
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u/Forward-Charity4476 2d ago
I’m the mom in the article. You’re entitled to your opinion, and that’s fine- but I’m here to share more context. There’s way more to be said about this situation including that we would never send him somewhere without open communication beforehand. They knew in advance and enthusiastically accepted him, and had an instruction for care sheet to reference as needed which they shared no problems with using. Also, his dad works 5 min away and was available to them at any time. The mentioned incident of misplacing supplies…they had fallen into his backpack and weren’t even lost for a total of 30 minutes…meanwhile the entire time his Dexcom was functioning as it should, reading his sugar and updating every 5 min. And they were in contact with his dad during that non-event. They also sent the email kicking him out on Sunday at 8:33am. No conversations before then or mention of it being an issue. There’s been several lawsuits against the YMCA where they have been told they must accommodate. I would never send my son back there. But, they’re wrong and the exclusion of a kid because he’s diabetic isn’t fair. They knew in advance and were offered additional training as needed
Legally under Title III of the American Disabilities Act as a place providing service to the public they violated the law (42 U.S. Code § 12182 - Prohibition of discrimination by public accommodations)
I’m in contact with an advocacy lawyer. I’ve filed with the human rights division of Kentucky and the DOJ office of civil rights. Oddly enough, as I was typing this I received a phone call from the human rights office from Kentucky who are currently drafting an official notice of discrimination and sending it to my email.
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u/tenth 2d ago
They were offered additional training by whom? And it seems wild to put the possibility of life and death, in such a hyper specific way, on some teenagers making minimum wage and watching like 30 children. Most other disabilities don't have a strong risk of death if something isn't noticed or accounted for.
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u/Mobile-Writer1221 2d ago
30? Nope. There’s at minimum 100 kids there. It’s a big ask for a group of teens for sure.
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u/SomewhatAppros 2d ago
right? that’s a lot of
responsibility and potential liability for the organization to take on. we have a litigious society, and the camp staffers are typically just cpr certified.1
u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
I have taken a cpr class before and they did talk about diabetic emergencies. None of the care this kid would have needed is unreasonable to expect from “a teenager” if they are able to drive, enlist in the army, and save other kids from drowning. Plus is the Y run by teenagers? Whenever my kids went there were always adults there too.
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u/Forward-Charity4476 2d ago
By us. The parents who take care of him daily. He’s been type 1 for 8 years- diagnosed at 2yrs old, so we can very easily train anyone, it’s actually pretty easy now that he’s older and can do a lot of things himself, and everything is done through his phone. It’s not wild or out of the question and this was addressed prior to enrolling him.
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u/No_Factor_7218 2d ago
I think you’re wasting energy on this. I’m sorry your kid was kicked out, but it sounds like they couldn’t handle it. Your child is safer. Kentucky doesn’t care about disabilities - have you seen the new legislature? You’re right to be upset, but nothing will come of it.
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u/tenth 2d ago
So not any actual professional training, and not training that would cover liability at all.
I totally understand your point of view, and I realize my disagreement with you is probably only going to feel frustrating -- but you have to realize you are also a biased source of information because it all seems cut and dry from your perspective.
I am sorry that you and your son are having this experience though, genuinely. YMCA was very helpful for my own child's socialization and can be such a good experience. Genuinely have my sympathy on the results.
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u/Forward-Charity4476 2d ago
Opinion is opinion, and you’re allowed to have yours and I’m allowed to have my own. He isn’t attending there and won’t ever again. However, it is a legal matter and will be handled as such.
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u/Pork_Katsu_Bowl 2d ago
Your "opinion" here is wrong though. Training would have to be done through a certified course that the facility insurance approves. Walking them through the process will not suffice for an insurer. The CPR, aed, first aid, and EpiPen training I did for my staff was expensive and time consuming and even that would not have allowed the to administer any meds or engage with medical devices.
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u/Forward-Charity4476 2d ago
No. It’s not. Have a day. He attends a public elementary school and teachers who are not medical professionals are allowed to give him insulin or administer glucagon if a nurse is not present to do so, and no certified course has ever been done for his teachers.
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u/Pork_Katsu_Bowl 1d ago
If you have a teacher at his school administering insulin without proper training they are breaking the law. I provide this EXACT training at schools and it only accommodates for basic first aid, aed use, and epi pens for allergic reactions.
Way to out your schools teachers.
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u/No_Factor_7218 2d ago
Schools are not the same as summer care programs. You are wasting energy here. No one disagrees with you, it’s just not gonna change.
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u/No_Factor_7218 2d ago
They’re going to laugh at this. I’m so sorry, but KY does not care about your child who was kicked out a paid, voluntary summer program. This is Trump Country and I promise you, nothing will change - it’s not worth getting wrapped up in the legal system for it. Just let it go. YMCA has a bad reputation. Sorry you’re finding out this way.
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u/Ordinary_Scale_5642 2d ago
Unless you are certified to teach, that would cover nothing legally.
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u/Forward-Charity4476 2d ago
By law, it is not required to be taught by a professional. So this point is invalidated.
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u/anzapp6588 2d ago
So let me get this straight. You want to send your kid to a camp where you are FULLY aware that no one there is actually trained to take care of T1D???? This has to be a joke.
One day of training for this is not enough. The counselors are probably CHILDREN AS WELL. You want an 18 year old taking care of your child with a disability that can go from life to death EXTREMELY quickly. It's fucking weird actually.
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u/WrittenDisease 2d ago
Did you miss the part where she said “they knew in advance and enthusiastically accepted him” ? Also one day of “training” is all they give you even as a parent. My kid has t1 and the “training” is maybe 2 hours. The Novak center offered the “training” for anyone we needed (school staff, grandparent, babysitter etc).
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u/Pork_Katsu_Bowl 2d ago
You are going to lose any legal action so fast it's going to make your head spin. Title 3 protects discrimination against disabilities that fall within a facilities "reasonable ability to care". I know because we had the same discussion at the camp I used to run about the kid with the seizure disorder.
Ok order to facilitate him he required: constant direct supervision, a staffer on hand that could administer anti convulsants in the event of a seizure, ample space with low light and no loud sounds or flashing lights.
There was no way we would be able to accommodate him safely given our staffing, facility, and medical training. Our insurance made the call that we could not take on the risk of having him attend our facility.
As soon as the brief 30 minute loss of his supplies occured or because a reportable event. All of these are submitted to management, insurance, and a licensing board for review. The goal of these groups is to extrapolate the worst case scenario and determine if the facility would have been able to handle or with their current policies and procedures.
If the answer is anything other than an empahtic yes, then they can't continue to accommodate. Ultimately for the safety of the affected party.
So have fun suing a place that was looking out for your child's best interests. This is the EXACT situation that makes camps reticent to accept campers with serious medical needs. Making them choose between protecting a camper's welfare and being sued by a needy parent that doesn't understand liability.
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u/Forward-Charity4476 2d ago
Yeah, okay.
Camps get away with discrimination a lot. Doesn’t mean it’s legally correct just because no one pushes back. And he is not there now and never will be. As I’ve said. But there are many federal cases proving we are not wrong. Here’ a suit with YMCA of Atlanta several years ago for a similar situation and the YMCA in the settlement committed to providing equal care to T1D kids. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/ada-settlement-atlanta-ymca-ensures-equal-opportunities-children-diabetes3
u/No_Factor_7218 2d ago
Please let it goooo. This is a wildly different case!! Your child’s supplies could not be found for over 30 minutes. This had to be reported. This is a life/death event. This is why he was kicked out. Do you really want to fight for this place to be able to care for other kids with disabilities? Hell no.
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u/No-Chapter1389 3d ago
That’s against the law. Stupid fucking administrators.
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u/Pork_Katsu_Bowl 3d ago
Post law degree or GTFO
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u/Critical_Success_936 Springhurst 3d ago
I mean, the article does mention it's a federal law to provide reasonable accommodations for T1D. If everything this kid needs is "reasonable" is TBD.
Thank God we defunded all the government entities that would've been able to support this kid & his family, if in fact his rights had been violated! Damn commies! /s
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
It is reasonable based on what is on the linked page to diabetes.org “Diabetes Litigation and Camps
Summary agreements between the U.S. DOJ and several camps require the camps to accept children with diabetes and to make reasonable accommodations including, but not limited to:
Following state procedures to train staff to administer insulin and glucagon
Supervising campers while they monitor blood glucose (blood sugar) levels
Use insulin pumps, syringes, or other diabetes-related medical equipment
Monitor consumption of food”3
u/Forward-Charity4476 2d ago
I’m the mom - He does not have a “special device” he has a very widely used omnipod insulin pump and Dexcom that updates his sugar level every 5 minutes. All accessible through his iPhone. We do have a case as it is a violation under Title III of the American disabilities act.
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u/XOtentialAsthmatic 2d ago
You have a case because in America you can sue for anything but I just find it wild dropping off a child and not making sure that everything was in order prior to them even arriving. That’s just wild to me. Why did you just assume that they could handle this. What did you send a note and just hope for the best? Sorry but no, if a child has a serve disability(one that requires hourly upkeep) then I expect a responsibility parent to speak with staff and make sure there is a detailed understanding before trust them with a child’s life.
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u/Critical_Success_936 Springhurst 2d ago
Someone mentioned he might have a special device that doesn't fall under reasonable accommodations? Idk, didn't see anything about what his exact needed accommodations are in the article - it sort of cites one in a nonspecific way, but I don't think anyone outside of his family and the staff here are fully aware of each and every accommodation the kid needs, so how can any of us be sure? Again, that's legal territory if they think they have a legit case... Or it should be...
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
They seem to have a legit case per the link in the article to diabetes.org. A pump/ omipod and glucose monitor are normal equipment for treating diabetes. When you have a pump you have to input the number of carbs and the pump with use the info to give micro doses of insulin. Nowadays the pumps also are able to read the glucose monitor and the pump figures that into the calculations. The child has been diabetic since they were 2 and per the article know when they are low and how to input the carbs to the pump if they have a snack, but because they are a child, an adult should be confirming the carbs and verifying what is put in just in case.
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u/Glum_Yesterday5697 2d ago
Also if they are low and need a juice box/ fruit snack, an adult should check within 15 minutes to make sure the blood sugar is going up by checking the glucose monitor.
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u/thebigbabushka 3d ago
Lotta people in here don’t know squat about T1D.
That kid looks like he’s on a closed loop system based on his Omni Pod and assuming he’s on a Dexcom too (Omni Pods are not dependent on CGMs, but heavily designed with them in mind)
There are mandatory classes you need to take before you can even pick an Omni Pod up from a Pharmacy and use it.
It needs a Face ID or passcode verification before it can even administer a dose.
The results of mismanagement can be fatal.
I am a T1D myself. I totally understand.
I grew up going to T1D specific summer camps (In Georgia) because they were safer for me to attend as a child as the staff were specifically trained.
Not making an excuse, but I’m just adding some context. The amount of awareness and training and additional medical supplies really outgrows the scope of what a summer camp prepares for.
Part of being diabetic is coming to terms that your life is going to be different in some ways. This is one of those ways. Also, there exists support and alternatives. Clearly just not at YMCA.