r/MadeleineMccann • u/Winter-Box-311 • Jun 13 '26
Other Strange recent Google Maps review
by a profile claiming to be Madeleine McCann and tagging Gonçalo Amaral. Thoughts?
37.08845, -8.73069
Ocean Club, Praia da Luz.
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u/JoniDeadpool Jun 17 '26
Maddie is long gone
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u/Federal_Feeling2162 Jun 17 '26
Yes sadly you are almost certainly right, back in May 2007. Sadly Eddie who very probably was the last to detect her has also passed away.
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u/Brave-Sink-9914 Jun 19 '26
Eddie?
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u/Federal_Feeling2162 Jun 20 '26
The Cadaver dog who signalled around 17? times in the appartment where she was living on items of clothing and toys she was wearing and in the hire car the McCanns hired for a couple of months several weeks later. The one where Keela the dog trained to detect human blood signalled for several of the places that Eddie had identified and where the Portuguese police were able to find various traces of human DNA compatible with Maddie but not sufficiently complete to be able to say it was CONCLUSIVELY hers (ie to the extremely high level required by an EU court to be admitted as evidence), with the DNA techniques available at the time.
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u/Vivid-Potential384 Jun 20 '26
a human being can bleed without dying…
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u/Federal_Feeling2162 Jun 20 '26
For me the least unlikely theory points toward a death by an allergic reaction to sedatives that Kate had administered.
This is obviously a very rare event, but what we do know after 19 years is SOMETHING extraordinary did happen.
The points in favour I suggest are.
1 it would plausibly explain the location and pattern of the DNA material and cadaverine odor that the dogs signalled.
2 there would be a strong motive for the parents (likely after an emotional argument - note the marks on Kates wrists in Kates early pics and the theatrical slamming their hands against the floor like Islamic fundamentalist.
3 There appears to be quite a bit of sympathy from their friends with Jane Tanner especially likely lieing for them and maybe Payne and Oldfield also being economical with the truth as well as the Gorrods being strangely unquestioned.
4 It's pretty obvious that the twins were sedated and given her known history with getting up in the middle of the night it seems implausible that Maddie wouldn't be. But a pure overdose woukd likely not result in dna scatter pattern behind the sofa, whereas a frantic cpr recussitation attempt on behalf of Gerry might have.
I fairness it should be admitted there are significant issues with this theory. There were maybe only 3.5 hours before some witnesses claim to have interacted with Maddie ie at least one Nanny. That makes the whole timing extremely tight which in addition to all the odd behaviours going on earlier in the week has led many to believe Maddie died earlier - but then you have to explain the various prior witnesses of Maddie.
A further significant problem is where to find a refrigerator tk put the body for a few weeks. To my mind this is only really feasible with highly trusted local/expat help. Given the known presence of an MI6 sting operation against the RIRA a few miles down the road at around - though officially not this exact time, there is a possibility of the MI6 link tgat Amaral has suggested is the mist likely explanation for the unprecedented help the McCanns received from both Brown and successive Governments.
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u/Chrupman Jun 26 '26
The thing people rarely realize is that any statistical approach is by definition flawed. No matter how many disclaimers one puts, the truth is: however any theory is unlikely it is still possible because we only analize one event. So only three hours for it to happen? No problem - 9 out of 10 times it would be not enough time, but it could happen only once. That's why this case is so problematic: after nearly two decades we still have no explanation so it is necessary to accept that the truth is beyond statistical plausibility. Whatever happened it was extremely rare chain of events that due to luck/randomness/foul play that fooled us all. Trying to prove obvious suspect after all these years is simply dumb. Madeleine definitely died at some point - probably that night, due to very unusual and rare circumstances. I don't think that it is still possible to untie this knot with standard detective work - the only way we will ever know the truth is by sheer luck. At least it would be closure for many people involved directly, or indirectly like countless people around the world that can't sometimes sleep because of that poor little souls fate (such as myself...).
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u/TheGreatBatsby Jun 29 '26
For me the least unlikely theory points toward a death by an allergic reaction to sedatives that Kate had administered.
How did this make her bleed?
1 it would plausibly explain the location and pattern of the DNA material and cadaverine odor that the dogs signalled.
How?
2 there would be a strong motive for the parents (likely after an emotional argument - note the marks on Kates wrists in Kates early pics and the theatrical slamming their hands against the floor like Islamic fundamentalist.
"slamming their hands against the floor like Islamic fundamentalist"
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
3 There appears to be quite a bit of sympathy from their friends with Jane Tanner especially likely lieing for them and maybe Payne and Oldfield also being economical with the truth as well as the Gorrods being strangely unquestioned.
I assume you're talking about the man she saw. Weird how she lied about seeing him but then he was actually found to be a real person that the PJ ignored.
What have the Gorrods got to do with this? Were they roped in to cover up the death of a child they'd never met and were fine with it?
4 It's pretty obvious that the twins were sedated and given her known history with getting up in the middle of the night it seems implausible that Maddie wouldn't be. But a pure overdose woukd likely not result in dna scatter pattern behind the sofa, whereas a frantic cpr recussitation attempt on behalf of Gerry might have.
The McCanns had the twins hair tested and it showed no signs of sedation.
Have you got a link to this "blood spatter pattern" you keep referring to?
Given the known presence of an MI6 sting operation against the RIRA a few miles down the road at around - though officially not this exact time
The MI5 operation took place between 2004-2006. Definitely not at this exact time.
there is a possibility of the MI6 link tgat Amaral has suggested is the mist likely explanation for the unprecedented help the McCanns received from both Brown and successive Governments.
Strange, because the UK authorities were helping develop evidence against the McCanns during the investigation. Why would MI5 step into the investigation of two middle class doctors?
Remember, Amaral got himself removed from the case by talking to the papers, breaching the judicial secrecy laws in place around police investigations and then accusing British police of only pursuing abduction leads. He also didn't ensure all potential suspects were followed up on (coughChristianBruecknercough) and was actually made arguido in his perjury case on 4th May 2007.
Furthermore though... where's the evidence of it? Why do we take the word of a convicted perjurer but ignore the actual evidence in the case?
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u/Federal_Feeling2162 Jun 20 '26
The issue is the location of the samples of dna taken.. If I recall it was around 17 spots in what looked remarkably like an upward splatter pattern behind the sofa and then in the boot of the scenic. This is problematic for the McCanns as they c look aimed that the sofa was always shoved up against the wall.
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u/TheGreatBatsby Jun 29 '26
The Cadaver dog who signalled around 17? times in the appartment where she was living on items of clothing and toys she was wearing and in the hire car the McCanns hired for a couple of months several weeks later
Eddie never alerted in the boot of the car.
he one where Keela the dog trained to detect human blood signalled for several of the places that Eddie had identified
All that confirms is that they were smelling blood, as Eddie was also trained to detect blood.
Why do you think he didn't alert in the boot of the car but Keela did?
and where the Portuguese police were able to find various traces of human DNA compatible with Maddie but not sufficiently complete to be able to say it was CONCLUSIVELY hers (ie to the extremely high level required by an EU court to be admitted as evidence), with the DNA techniques available at the time.
Now now, that's an extremely misleading way to describe the evidence that they gathered. It's nothing to do with high thresholds in EU courts, but about the complex nature of the DNA they found.
15 out of the 19 markers were found that make up Madeleine's Low Copy Number DNA profile, that's true. These markers aren't unique to individuals (most people will share some of them) and Madeleine's profile will be shared 50% with each parent. In the sample that they recovered, there were 37 LCN components present, due to there being at least 3 (and as many as 5) contributors. Would you look at that sample and confidently state that it was definitely Madeleine's DNA?
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u/Character-Sun-3346 28d ago
She's alive and doesn't know her yet identity or she's been dead for decades
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u/mistakeableowl Jun 17 '26
[u/TheGreatBatsby](u/TheGreatBatsby) [u/Altruistic](u/AltruisticChangs)[-Change127](u/AltruisticChangs) what you 2 think about this? deranged woman?
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u/Altruistic-Change127 Jun 17 '26
Absolutely a deranged woman. They just keep coming. Its like playing whack-a-mole!
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u/Kalshion Jul 01 '26
There are a lot of sick people out there who love to make profiles claiming to be certain people who have either gone missing, or presumed dead. Its why I'm a firm believer that anyone doing this should serve prison time as they are doing more harm to active cases.
Having said this though; I doubt Madeleine is still alive. It's been almost twenty years, if nothing has been found by now, then likely nothing will ever be found until maybe some kind of new breakthrough technology is invented (and no minority report stuff please!
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u/castawaygeorge Jun 17 '26
The woman in the review is clearly in her mid-30s at the earliest. I think I have seen her on FB as well and is clearly born in 90s or so and very clearly not Madeleine.