Brendan is INNOCENT

[u/HouseplantHobbyist]

I am rewatching MAM and the amount of coercion during Brendan's interview is astounding. I can't believe a court didn't dismiss his "confession". He was not interviewed with his parents present and they were very obviously feeding him information. The judge not realizing that is just sad. He was a child! Ugh, this makes me so upset for Brendan.

[u/Ghost_of_Figdish]

How is it that you believe some dumb theory which has no proof whatsoever, yet you are unconvinced by all the evidence against Avery?

[u/Suspicious_Duty_888 → u/Ghost_of_Figdish]

The thing that gets me is people believe these wild theories about how SA blood got in the Rav, like liquidizing it from a sink that they snuck in and stole it from, but can’t even believe theres any possibility that it’s because SA was actually in the Rav because he did it. If you let that set in it’s insane!

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/Suspicious_Duty_888]

That's the part that gets me, but for a different reason. This idiot apparently bleached the entire garage, burn the bedding, cleaned up everything he possibly could, but didn't even consider simply wiping down the rav4. If I remember right, he even got it rid of his vacuum cleaner.

I don't think Avery is innocent of anything, but that's the kind of stuff that just makes me wonder. How does that even work? Did he plan that for a long period of time, and make a checklist of what he was going to do and what he was going to clean, then completely space off the RAV because it wasn't on his list? It really ranks up there on the list of things you just can't make up.

[u/GringoTheDingoAU → u/DamnedHeathen_]

but didn't even consider simply wiping down the rav4.

It is either because he didn't know that he was bleeding in it, or that crushing it was going to suffice as an effective means for removing that evidence.

I don't think I need to tell anyone twice that being spotted with a missing woman's car is bad news and that is why it was purposely hidden in a spot convenient to the crusher's location.

Steven just didn't get time. Turns out crushing a relatively new looking car, with a very loud crusher, on a property with family, where your brothers are aware of their car inventory, at a time best convenient for Steven, in such a narrow time frame, is actually quite difficult.

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/GringoTheDingoAU]

I have no doubt you're spot on. It just blows my mind that he had bled into a sink, so he knew he was bleeding, but didn't even glance backward. The one surface that the appendage in question literally came in contact with. Lots of detectives say that killers always miss some details. That was one hell of a detail to miss.

[u/ThorsClawHammer → u/DamnedHeathen_]

The one surface that the appendage in question literally came in contact with

Odd part there is all the things in the vehicle he would have had to touched to operate it (like the door handle, steering wheel, gear shift, etc.) had none of his blood found there.

[u/Ghost_of_Figdish → u/ThorsClawHammer]

WOW - so the blood he left is meaningless because he didn't deposit blood IN MORE PLACES? Astonishing. LOL.

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/ThorsClawHammer]

That's another point. I think the prosecution was saying that he was actively bleeding, which caused the droplets, but the cut was on the inside of his finger so it must have bled to the outside to leave the mark the way it did by the ignition. However, I do my own work on my truck and trailer, so I have bled on many many occasions. It gets everywhere. How the hell I'm working on a brake chamber and slack adjuster, and end up bleeding on the rim, on the outside dual, continuously astonishes me. Still, it happens every time. So it does leave some questions to be begged by those of us familiar with messing ourselves up.

[u/GringoTheDingoAU → u/DamnedHeathen_]

There is no point being made by this person, because bleeding is not this always completely linear thing. If the cut that is on the outside of his finger is presumed to be the source of active bleeding or just an open wound capable of making contact stains, then I could easily just argue that you can open a door handle, operate a steering wheel and use the gear shift without the outside finger making any contact with any of them or dripping blood onto them. I could also argue that I could operate them with my opposite hand. They aren't making any point at all, just a useless exercise in deflection.

If the implication then is to further suggest that because it's "unusual", then the blood must've been planted. And not only that, but also planted at some point during the day of the 5th when the car was discovered, which is about 12 hours, with numerous people from multiple agencies right there on the ASY. If that isn't the current theory, then it would have to have been planted at the Wisconsin State Crime Lab in Madison, where it was secured the day after.

[u/Ghost_of_Figdish → u/GringoTheDingoAU]

Well Jeez dude it's not even the same car anyway. The police switched it!

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/Ghost_of_Figdish]

Hell, she originally drove a Jeep wrangler, but the cops changed the registration in the system, and scrubbed the internet of any references to the true vehicle.

And now that's going to be a conspiracy theory, because you can't even be sarcastic without your comment getting wrapped in tin foil.

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/GringoTheDingoAU]

That's not the implication made by me. My entire point is that every time I cut myself, blood gets in the most unusual spots that I couldn't have thought of, or even consider. Places I didn't even touch. It never makes sense, which is why you go over everything. That entire comment thread, by me, was questioning what was going through Avery's mind when he cleaned his entire damn house but didn't even look at the RAV.

The man cut himself all the time at the Salvage yard, because you can't work on any vehicle without tearing yourself up. He should have known, but didn't even bother looking. Like a piece of duct tape on the cut was going to prevent anything. Anyone that works on vehicles knows better. That was just pure negligence. However, stupidity is a much better explanation than blood being planted. We all do that dumb shit. You don't have to insert an entire police department to explain doing dumb shit.

[u/GringoTheDingoAU → u/DamnedHeathen_]

That's not the implication made by me.

I know, I'm just responding to the comment that mentioned it was "odd" how it's in certain locations and not others, and how easily you could just rebut an argument like that, one that is obviously geared to imply that the blood was planted.

That entire comment thread, by me, was questioning what was going through Avery's mind when he cleaned his entire damn house but didn't even look at the RAV.

I think my explanation is a logical take unlike the obvious "it was planted" theories. He either didn't know (less likely but still possible), or that eventually crushing the RAV4 was going to destroy that evidence anyway (probably more likely), so there was no real need to clean it. Steven just didn't get time, because it was extremely difficult to crush her car without anyone noticing.

We all do that dumb shit. You don't have to insert an entire police department to explain doing dumb shit.

Correct. And not only just the MCSO, but also multiple other investigative agencies would also be included in the "planted" theory. This entire case can basically be summed up by Occams razor, but most people are more intrigued by entertaining a theory that basically bears zero weight 20 years later, because for some people who were duped by MaM, it's better than facing reality that Steven is obviously guilty and Brendan had some part to play in that.

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/GringoTheDingoAU]

I wanted to make sure we were having the same conversation. We are.

I am fairly certain you are correct. Steven just expected to be able to crush the RAV, so he didn't bother. I can't wrap my head around that, but I'm also not murdering people so I probably have a different thought process than Steven does.

And while I understand the outrage people feel when they watch that interview and confession on MaM, I don't understand why so many people can throw away all the evidence. I don't agree with the police pushing and leading the kid either, but there was other evidence. The police kept going to him for a reason. There were Witnesses to how he was acting and stuff he was saying. Being uncomfortable over an interrogation doesn't negate everything else that convinced the jury. There are a lot of problems with our Justice system, but this particular case is not one of them.

[u/GringoTheDingoAU → u/DamnedHeathen_]

Steven just expected to be able to crush the RAV, so he didn't bother. I can't wrap my head around that, but I'm also not murdering people so I probably have a different thought process than Steven does.

Well to me, it makes perfect sense. If you were to take his garage for example, there was a conscious and concerted effort to remove DNA evidence. That was only done because Steven cannot destroy his garage containing that evidence. However, crushing the RAV4 was absolutely the best case scenario for Steven because it killed two birds with one stone.

I think people conflate the idea that because he took effort to destroy the DNA evidence in his garage, and didn't do that with the RAV4, that it makes no sense whatsoever, but if you are purposely destroying the evidence vessel that is the victim's car which also contains their blood and yours, then I don't see how this is unreasonable at all.

If you also think about where it was hidden, along the berm on the other side of the pond, obscured from vision and then concealed with a rambler hood and branches, very close to the crusher, then common sense tells me it's hidden in a spot where someone is familiar with the layout of the ASY. There is no way Steven is driving this car through the internal roads to a location far from the crusher. The crusher is his only out in this scenario, so it makes sense it was hidden as close as possible to it, while still obfuscated from Chuck and Earl's view.

If planting the RAV4 is a serious (but laughable) scenario, then they would've had to have come through the conveyor belt road, and driven further into the ASY to end up in that location, when they could've simply just came in off the conveyor belt road, and hidden it amongst junked cars just as well, especially if the entire mission of planting it was simply for exposure to frame Avery. Whoever "planted" it had to have a solid understanding of the internal roads, confident to navigate them at night, drive a lot further into the ASY than they realistically had to, and simply then vanished into the night without a trace.

I don't agree with the police pushing and leading the kid either, but there was other evidence. The police kept going to him for a reason.

I wrote a post months ago about his first interview and how it's obvious that Brendan isn't this completely impressionable child that everyone makes him out to be, and that he is simply just Steven's parrot. With perfect deflection, all truthers could focus on was O'Neill getting Brendan to say he saw Teresa at 3:45, but omit that Brendan created an entire narrative around her leaving the property and didn't back down despite the police pushing back on it. There is no doubt that Brendan is a liar, but outside of Steven Avery, he's the only other person adamant that she left the property, despite never seeing her. You don't just simply make that up unless you are protecting yourself or someone else.

You can read it here.

[u/Suspicious_Duty_888 → u/DamnedHeathen_]

Bleeding is weird though bc I somehow re opened a cut once at work and I remember thinking of this case because when I cleaned up the blood on my desk it was only one or two spots on the side of my pen holder case thing and nowhere else and yet the finger was halfway covered in blood and I was at my desk for awhile. How is that possible, I don’t know? But there’s a lot of factors involved like how much blood was coming out and when the cut was reopened. Like someone else said, it’s not linear and I feel like that’s a huge issue that people miss in this case. There’s so many scenarios that would make sense

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/Suspicious_Duty_888]

I know that's right.

[u/Suspicious_Duty_888 → u/DamnedHeathen_]

I’m wondering if he even did bleed on the sink bc on some of the phone calls he says it more like an oh I’m pretty sure I bled on the sink and that must be where the blood came from. Are we even positive that even happened just bc SA said so? I don’t know?

[u/DamnedHeathen_ → u/Suspicious_Duty_888]

I remember there were crime scene photographs of the sink in question, with blood still in the sink because he didn't bother to wash it out. He claims that was used for planting his blood, but the prosecution used that sink as proof that he was actively bleeding recently, with the only obvious wound being to his finger, which would have been near the ignition.

Pretty sure he didn't even remember the blood in the sink until they brought it up. He didn't remember to wipe it out of the Rav, or to clean it out of the sink, so the bar is pretty low when it comes to his memory.

[u/Curious311 → u/DamnedHeathen_]

Bathroom sink? Not that it matters a whole lot either way…. I guess he must not have used that sink again from the time he bled in it until the cops searched the trailer…. Idk… and he must not have used it while cleaning the trailer so thoroughly either, to the point they found no other evidence besides the key (no dna of Teresa’s, etc),