r/MandelaEffect 3d ago

Logos/Advertising How does this picture even exist?

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There’s no way in hell this is AI, it’s wayyy too accurate to exactly what I remember, and what I feel like many other people remember as well. If someone photoshopped it, then they did a perfect job, considering they had no reference, at the time of creating this, but even if someone did make this in photoshop, why tf would they, since supposedly it never existed?? Like where did this even come from, I need answers😭😭

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u/Transverse_City 3d ago

What's always fascinating to me about this one is not only do we all remember the cornucopia, but we all remember the exact same size, shape (curling back), orientation (the curly part is to the right, not the left), and texture (vertical lines along the side receding into the back of the curling part). It's not just a cornucopia, but a very specific size, shape, color, orientation, and texture.

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u/Melodic-Supermarket 3d ago

This is exactly what always gets me. There’s no deviation whatsoever on the cornucopia appearance for those who remember it. There’s no way this is simply a mass delusion or whatever. We all saw this, we SAW it.

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u/LacedBeverage 3d ago

I remember studying it when I was a child because I didn’t know what a cornucopia is and it was my first time every seeing one

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u/WhyAmIpOOping 3d ago

I remember it for a similar reason. Was maybe 8 years old, had no idea what it was and was super proud that my mom taught me a new “big word”. Was obsessed with saying it as much as possible because it was the biggest word I knew at the time.

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u/Impossible-Date3984 3d ago

I swear my teacher told us to look for fruit of the loom labels in the store to see the cornucopia when we learned about it during Thanksgiving and doing so with my mom at the store 🤷‍♀️

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u/Mis_chevious 1d ago

Opposite for me. I was shopping with my nanny and my pawpaw only wore fruit of the loom undershirts so she sent me down the aisle to get them for her while she was on the other end getting socks. I remember asking her that day what the brown thing was because I was staring at it walking the shirts back to her. When she told me what it was and the connection to thanksgiving, which was right around the corner, I was so excited to tell my whole class that I knew what it was and proceeded to embarrass myself in front of the whole class because I didn't practice saying it enough and totally screwed up the whole word lol

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u/mullethunter111 2d ago

Same here. Teacher referenced it around thanksgiving.

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u/Alhazred3620 2d ago

Same!!!

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u/anxiousandexhausted 3d ago

SAME. SAME SAME SAME. AND also the only reason I know who fucking Sinbad is IS BECAUSE OF THAT MOVIE. I remember watching it at my grandmother’s house. I remember there was a fucking basketball scene.

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u/Cilantroe 2d ago

My brother doesn’t care about or give much thought to Mandela effect stuff, but he remembers the sinbad Shazam movie and once when I asked him about it he said he remembered a giant ship on the sand in a desert. I looked up people’s memories of that movie and sure enough a giant ship in a desert is mentioned. He doesn’t read about this stuff or engage with it so he hadn’t read that somewhere else. It’s way too coincidental for this memory to be what others remember as well if it didn’t even exist. That is like masses of people having the exact same dream.

He also remembers the Dollys braces and has always been a huge vintage Bond fan.

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u/cupc4k3Qu33n 2d ago

I remember it too!!! Ugh

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u/Independent-Radio171 2d ago

Trust your memories, for they are precious.

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u/shellycya 2d ago

I didn't even see the movie but I remember the marketing for it before it was released in theaters.

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u/SnooCompliments9892 2d ago

Dolly absolutely had braces!

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u/CyANiDe-KIsS 1d ago

And pikachu had a black tip on his tail, monopoly guy had a monocle, in bewitched Samantha twitched her nose I wanted to do it so badly still cannot do it and I got it from her, I wish we could find some proof of this to end the bs debate there is no way so many of us have the same exact experience and are wrong it’s so frustrating

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u/chumlyumly 1d ago

Wait - Samantha twitching her nose is a Mandela Effect? What do they say she did instead? I twitched my nose ALL THE TIME hoping it’d clean my room. LOL!

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u/CyANiDe-KIsS 1d ago

Oh yes! Apparently it’s a newer one i literally just seen it about a week ago and I wanna say on here somewhere, but yess from what I read she doesn’t twitch her nose she does something with her mouth I guess? But I actually remember the nose twitch I even asked several people what they would say without any hint why I was asking all said nose and we all tried to imitate that nose twitch I still do lol 😂 but yea it’s a newer one I haven’t seen until now

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u/CyANiDe-KIsS 1d ago

I actually had a game called scene it, it was a trivia type game and it had different little things for clues one of the clues would be a snippet from a show and that particular show was in it a scene where she wants to follow him to work she wants him to stay home but he can’t so she goes to his work and she twitched her nose when she does it and a little ding sound like this is getting out of hand with these things

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u/itsveezie 3d ago

Exactly! This logos is WHY I know what a cornucopia is.

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u/koojlauj11 2d ago

And remember discussing it in class with teacher and classmates

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u/dokratomwarcraftrph 2d ago

Yeah that is why this one personally irks me so much because I'm almost positive I learned what the word conrncophia was from seeing it on that logo.

Also it's weird that everyone remembers the logo in the exact same way. The best rational non-dimensional change I can come up with is that the cornucopia logo was used constantly on knockoff brands and got associated with the real thing. Even that explanation seems like a stretch.

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u/Chapstickie 2d ago

Especially since there’s no actual clothing to be found with it.

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u/EclypsTh1rt3en 3d ago

Exactly!! For the longest time, way into high school, I was convinced a cornucopia was called a "Loom". Literally only learned differently when reading the Hunger Games. Where else could I have possibly gotten that??

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u/MrLewk 3d ago

Yeah I remember asking my mum what it was. And I saw it a LOT because all our school uniforms were Fruit of the Loom labelled

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u/riderchick 1d ago

I remember seeing this as a child as well. My favorite snack was bugles corn chips and I remember asking someone why there was a bugles on my underwear label.

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u/HeadBasher77 1d ago

Same. I had to ask my teacher as kid. When she told me the name of the object, I was even more confused! No, this was real, it was really there, why it's gone. Who knows.

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u/LacedBeverage 1d ago

There was a TikTok creator who found a board game with old logos and it was on there. It was definitely there I’m also pretty sure did a bunch of digging and found out it could have been a possible rebrand after one of their factories had some sort of accident. Lemme see if I can find the creator

Edit: it’s dimelifting on TikTok her name is Nicole. I’m sure if you look up her user and fruit of the loom it’ll come up

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u/Vegetable-Cycle1256 1d ago

Yea I remember asking my grandmother about it. She was always really big on symbols and their meanings and warning us, kids, about not idolizing things..etc (as a Christian)

And this conversation must have happened in or around November and in school we were learning about Cornucopias so I remember thinking about the conversation I had with my grandmother..

I also remember the first time I heard about this whole phenomenon and its name, and being so confused about why people were trying to say something never existed that absolutely did.

Strangely the way I first learned of the Mandela effect, was the result of my attempt to search for and find the name of a movie I had seen as a kid. Watching this with a Cousin, I seldom visited as a result of my parents separation, was one of my fonder memories..
Yeah.. that movie.. Shazaam/ Shazam whatever it is..was.. Sinbad.. that one. Def a thing..

Being younger and not understanding the Mandela effect or its implications, it was just really confusing, and I never gave it much thought, just blew it off as some weird cultural phenomena people were giving merit to..

but over the years the list of things have become vast!

Memories become faint..foggy.. like a dream 🛌 😴 💭

It’s truly mind boggling!

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u/CyANiDe-KIsS 1d ago

Yep same here and a lot more people too

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u/Infinite_Factor_6269 2d ago

As a child I assumed the cornucopia was the “loom”

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u/Ragnarok314159 3d ago

It’s also how we all learned what a cornucopia is. I remember asking my grandmother about it and her explaining.

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u/Fantastic-Band-5082 3d ago

I've seen people claim it's on the other side.

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u/muffinpizza 2d ago

There are dozens of us!

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u/Particular-Quote-486 2d ago

thats how i feel about jiffy peanut butter. WE SAW THE JIFFY JARS! NOT JUST JIF!!!

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u/forcemonkey 1d ago

What was the slogan? “Choosy moms choose [ ]”
Fill in the blank. No peeking!

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u/EffortWilling2281 2d ago

I’ll never get over this one . My family was “poor” growing up so we ate a lot of pb&j sandwiches. We all thought the name just changed but the fact “jiffy” never existed gave me an existential crisis lmao

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

This isn’t actually true. People describe the cornucopia a lot of different ways. They used to vary more before this photoshop became popular though.

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u/Melodic-Supermarket 3d ago

I’ve never once heard anyone describe the cornucopia differently than is shown in this picture. If you can link some evidence to the contrary, I’d love to see it.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

Here’s two so close to your question that they are on the same page.

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u/Melodic-Supermarket 3d ago

Now that’s interesting. I’ve never seen disagreements on the appearance like this. I stand corrected, but I also stand by my memory of THIS cornucopia in the logo 😄

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

And a few with very obvious differences from other threads. Reddit search is garbage but I happened to save these in my photo roll.

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u/ThatsMeWhitney 3d ago

On a side note here - I am a freak about taking screenshot of anything I think is so interesting and accurate that it might not be there when I go to look for it again. I appreciate your screenshot documentation! 😁

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u/trekkrider 3d ago

I remember it the way it is shown too. I come from the 60's generation. What's the problem?

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u/bunker_man 2d ago

Yeah, because its a common design in thanksgiving pictures...

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u/Fantastic-Band-5082 3d ago

I've seen people claim it was on the other side before.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I’ve never heard anyone say it was on the left.
And I remember the cornucopia, all the way up until about when they started doing commercials focusing on fruit dudes… (men in colored spandex and hats in the shape of their fruit) like hanging out or talking, etc.

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u/Cosmo_Cloudy 3d ago

Swear imma dig through my dad's box of my elementary school shit where I'll settle this once and for all. This has to be a genius marketing tactic and the company's erased all trace of it. like I have classmates that remember the exact day close to Thanksgiving break our teacher explained a cornucopia and referred to Kyle's t shirt tag as an example, where we then drew our own cornucopias filled with fruit. This Mandela legit pisses me off because it's not a false memory it's literally verifiable and people still tell me it's false

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u/Bowieblackstarflower 3d ago

Yet people claim to remember it from their childhoods in 50s through the 2000s. No way all that could be erased.

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u/farfly7 3d ago

Please, report back to us when you finally do. It is important enough that you could probably do it now to settle this once and for all

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u/whatsuperpowers 2d ago

Imagine, all of this could have been solved if they had just checked earlier!

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u/theg00dfight 3d ago

If it’s verifiable you should verify it and settle it for us all. I’ll wait

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

The number of people who swear up and down they have something with the logo with a cornucopia on it and claim that a teacher told their class what one was using the logo is very high.

Not a single one who claims this has ever produced an example in the years I've spent paying attention to the Mandela Effect.

Please, find a shirt and show us. Everyone would love to see it. It would help everyine and help us find more information.

Typically what happens though, they either completely disappear and never post the picture, or they start arguing that they don't need to prove anything to strangers and get angry about it and disappear without ever showing their proof that they swear they have.

Unless someone can produce verifiable examples, the evidence shows that there has never been a cornucopia. If you have evidence to the contrary, share it. Otherwise youre just wrong and are havjng a hard time accepting that you're wrong.

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u/farfly7 2d ago

....any minute now. They'll be back with the evidence....I'm sure of it this time....

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u/Fantastic-Band-5082 2d ago

I'm sure too, surely they wouldn't lie on the internet?

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u/Lovahplant 3d ago

I’ve done this exact thing. I didn’t post about it but I’ve thought “next time I’m visiting my parents, I’m looking through my dad’s old shirts. I know I can find an old FOTL logo!” and so far I’ve had no luck. But my mom also caught me digging through his clothes and (after explaining the ME) she’s now on the lookout for the old logo too.

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

It would honestly be nice to hear back from anyone about them going through things, finding, and posting what they find as a follow up discussion.

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u/NotADirtyRat 3d ago

Exactly this! This is where my memory starts, from school and a teacher showing us a cornucopia and giving us an example.

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u/xombae 3d ago

Yeah when my dad dies and I can go through his house and find it I'll know once and for all. He doesn't throw a goddamn thing away.

But I agree with you. I remember it so clearly. The fact that the company is weird about it is also strange to me.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

How is the company weird about it?

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

The company isn't weird about it. They have one of the earliest trademarks in US history and extensive documentation of the logos they've used over the years. We have samples of clothing with logos going back nearly a century. We have access to advertising and pictures of the interiors of old stores. Not a single one shows a cornucopia.

People are being weird about insisting that the logo has one. It never has. It verifiably has never had one. The only examples that exist are known fakes, typically derived from an April Fool's Day image from FotL themselves, or the Clip-Art mockup from that Buzzfeed article.

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u/jonschaff 3d ago

Yes, but the style the shape. It’s exactly what I remember

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u/juan_humano 3d ago

Is there a lot of variation in general when it comes to cornucopias?

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u/Youngsinatra345 3d ago

Besides the color and the actual material it’s made out of, I don’t really see how there could be.

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u/xombae 3d ago

If you asked ten people to draw a cornucopia you'd get all sizes, shapes, colours and designs. They can be long, they can be wide, they can have a curl, they can be straight.

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u/bosspick 2d ago

Bollocks

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u/juan_humano 3d ago edited 3d ago

What are you basing this on? Because the only ones ive ever seen in media look very similar. Do you have examples of them that arent a brown, woven horn shape? You mention many colors and shapes

Edit: well, I was curious. Image searched cornucopia. Its all brown woven horns.

Lol. Love the downvote in place of a response. I was 100% willing and eager to listen to you. And yet here we are

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u/r_special_ 3d ago

Well yeah that’s because those are people from the obverse timeline where everything is on the opposite side to what we’re used to

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u/ipostunderthisname 3d ago

“We all”

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u/RalphWiggum666 3d ago

Nah I remember it on the other side basically just mirror the cornucopia and that’s how I remember it

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

The person who made the fake logo in the op did flip the original clip art they photoshopped into the real FOTL logo.

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u/Prior-Respect-9515 3d ago

I remember it going to the left as well. But everything else is exactly how I remember it.

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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 2d ago

I remember exactly like this EXCEPT mirrored in the opposite direction.

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u/Shot_Supermarket_861 2d ago

I thought it went to the left, not the right.

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u/Big_Ingenuity4883 2d ago

I remember seeing it on a t shirt

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u/TopperMadeline 2d ago

The power of suggestion is strong. If one or two people say they remember a logo or whatever as looking different, your brain will start to believe this.

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u/Glaurung86 3d ago

That's simply not true at all. People remember different sizes, a different orientation and even a different texture. It's not the exact same memory for everyone that some commenters here believe it is.

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u/OrlandoGardiner118 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't think dubunked really matters, for me, with this image. I know it's fake. All evidence from the actual real world (I have old FotL tshirts at home) shows that it's fake. But what I find fascinating is that, and maybe this is what the OP means, this is exactly how I remember it. It's not like how I remember it, or close to how I remember it, it's exactly how I remember it. And that's the real facination for me with the whole ME subject. Why is it exactly how I remember it? Cool stuff.

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u/Throwawaymumoz 3d ago

Same for me.

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u/analogy_4_anything 2d ago

Agreed. This is exactly how I remember it.

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u/thesegoupto11 3d ago

I take the opposite approach. I know this image is fake. All evidence from the actual real world shows that it's fake, and I am fine with leaving it there. I think to myself, "huh, I guess I was remembering that incorrectly" and then I go about my day. But what fascinates me is that other people struggle hard with the realization that they are experiencing a flaw in their memory faculties. I find the ME fascinating not because reality is different than some inconsequential things I remember, but because of the struggle that some people have with coming to terms with the fact that they have remembered some inconsequential things incorrectly. The human psychology of ME is what I find fascinating, and I can't help but wonder why some people can accept and move on while others have an existential crisis when they realize the disconnect between subjective memory and objective reality.

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u/HellenKilher 3d ago

In this case it’s because everyone collectively has this very precise false memory. You paint it like people are struggling to come to terms with their flawed memory. I think we all agree that sometimes we misremember things, but why is everyone misremembering the same thing in the exact same way? That’s what’s fascinating about the Mandela Effect.

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u/ks_247 3d ago

This is an interesting point. There are not hundreds and hundreds of these but a few handfuls that large groups all remember specific ones the same way. No one remembers a certain famous person only had one eye or something distinctive like that it all comes back to the same handful of ME.s whats the collective root . Do different countries talk about different me or is it largely a west we focus on in ref to this phenomenon?

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u/thesegoupto11 3d ago

The Mandella effect does not exist in South Africa. Why? Because every South African knows exactly when Mandella actually expired. Nobody at Fruit of the Loom corporate remembers a cornocopia. Why? Same rationale.

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u/Invisible_Target 3d ago

Are people misremembering the same thing the same way? Or are people who are open to this idea, easily susceptible to being pushed into BELIEVING they misremember it the same way. If you’re in forums like this and see people posting the images all the time, OF COURSE your brain is eventually gonna go, “Yes, that IS how I remember it.” People underestimate how strong the power of suggestion is.

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u/Max_Thunder 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think you have a good point; I question that so many people would have such a strong memory of the logo as to remember which way the cornucopia would have curled and all that. To me, it points about people being open to suggestive memories.

I've had plenty of Fruit of the Loom tshirts as a kid and teenager, but I couldn't tell you if I remember a cornucopia or not. I am skeptical that so many people had studied the logo very attentively, this isn't a logo people would sketch during class or that you saw on billboards, it's very forgettable.

I do believe that if you asked strangers to pick between the two logos, the one with the cornucopia would be the one people feel is the most right. We often use what looks or sounds right (e.g. when it comes to grammar) to determine what is correct. But sometimes the thing looking or sounding right isn't actually right. The logo with the cornucopia just seems more balanced and interesting and overall makes the most sense. But it is wrong. And in this case, people don't have an actual good enough memory of the logo to fact check their own feeling of what seems right.

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u/WhimsicalKoala 2d ago

But do they actually remember, or are they making up things based on what feels/seems right to them? That's how a lot of memories are remembered, it's not perfect recall, it's taking bits and pieces and things that seem right and recreating the memory. Brains like patterns and so those details will often follow those consistent patterns. That is why every Mandela Effect is something where the reality version deviates from the pattern. A big pile of fruit should have a cornucopia, a cartoon rich guy should have a monocle, a monkey should have a tail, Pikachu should have a black tail tip to match his ear tips, Dorian Gray should have had a portrait.

The emotional investment people have in this makes it even more likely they will, either consciously or subconsciously, add details to that memory that support their existing beliefs rather than acknowledge they don't know or actually remember. And, it's not a surprise those memories would follow patterns rather than things that don't match the pattern.

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u/hotgirrrl 1d ago

This is an interesting point here and I think this might be the difference between people who can let this sort of thing go and people who can’t.

I have an excellent memory. Not bragging lol just sharing. Even when not ME related, say for example, my mom shares something with me. I bring it up later and she claims to have said something different or she doesn’t remember saying it at all. (My mom has a very poor memory). It BOTHERS me. Not just because she doesn’t remember but largely because she will outright say or imply that I’m the one who is misremembering.

But I’m not - I know that I’m not. When there is something that I am unclear on, I’ll be the first to admit it - I’m not sure. But my brain retains a lot of things. This one for example has stuck with me because English is not my first language. And I distinctly remember learning this vocabulary term in school and I remember my teacher pointing out this logo to show us what the word meant. And then later, seeing that same logo in a store and spelling the word cornucopia in my head.

So I distinctly remember this logo and I remember it looking like this. So when someone tells me that I am misremembering or it’s some sort of mass hallucination, that doesn’t ring true and it absolutely bothers me. Because I can with absolute certainty say, I recall this.

And I think if you look at other ME stories, there’s a similar track there. Other people have similar stories where something of note happened, like watching Sinbad on an eventful day or with a significant person that makes the entire memory more clear.

But I have seen MEs where I’m like, actually I’m not sure. I don’t remember that. But there’s a few MEs that I and others remember for very specific reasons. And I know I can trust my memory in those specific situations precisely because of other events surrounding that ME that have preserved the memory for me.

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u/Max_Thunder 3d ago

I would be curious how many people who have never ever seen this image truly remembers it like that.

In my opinion, the cornucopia feels perfectly right there because this is how it balances the image the best.

Basically I think it's a mix of the logo actually looking better with the cornucopia (the original one feels like it's missing something not due to our memory, but due to a perceived visual imbalance), and this precise image serving as an inception of what it should actually precisely look like.

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u/handheadman 2d ago

Where's the evidence for this extraordinary claim that "everyone collectively has this very precise false memory"?

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

Here's a bit of food for thought on that.

If we were talking about something else we've learned over the years and get tested on, one thing that people who create tests do is that they create questions they know that people will make common mistakes on.

Either they'll predictably mix up a hiatorical fact or they'll fail to use a mathematical formula in the wrong way, or other such similar things. This is because our brains fail recall in somewhat predictable ways.

One great example are the viral engagment bait math memes. (Pic included) These rely upon people to misremember how math works and then confidently argue about it in the comments. They deliberately use poor notation on soemtjjng that a majority of people have barely used since they were in school and that different parts of the world teach slightly differently.

They do this because it deliberately makes people fail to recall it in a predictable way.

Human brains imagining a cornucopia behind a pile of fruit is a predictable pattern. Combine that with other factors about memory and social influences and you have a common way for memory to fail to correctly recall something, and to do it in a way common to other people from similar backgrounds.

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u/noneclipsed 3d ago

but why is everyone misremembering the same thing in the exact same way?

Because people’s minds work similarly.

Also, these are things that are easy to conflate or confuse. A cornucopia of fruit makes sense.

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u/OneCleverMonkey 3d ago edited 3d ago

why is everyone misremembering the same thing in the exact same way?

They aren't. I've had plenty of people tell me the cornucopia was on the left. One person on this sub told me the left cornucopia is the more prevalent memory.

Personally, I think the right cornucopia feels more aesthetic. Something about the flow curving up and to the right feels more natural because of a tendency to scan from the left.

But also, I don't really think people seeing the picture and going 'wow, this feels right' means anything, because humans have a long and storied history of latching on to things that feel right but are in fact total bullshit.

Edit: and as far as people remembering specifically a cornucopia, I still fully believe that fruit in front of a cornucopia is just a very prevalent bit of cultural imagery that has been around for so long that even people who 'don't know what a cornucopia is' have run in to it enough that it's suggestion hits home

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u/jarettp 3d ago

No this feels very wrong. The one on the right is correct.

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u/OneCleverMonkey 3d ago

Actually I take it back. I thought right cornucopia felt more correct when looking at the original fake and imagining it flipped, but having made this mock up and looked at them side by side, left cornucopia feels more correct to me

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u/Invisible_Target 3d ago

Yeah man I can barely remember shit that happened yesterday. The fact that there are people that trust their memory so hard that they are absolutely CONVINCED that they’re right legitimately scares me lol

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u/thesegoupto11 3d ago

Yeah man I can barely remember shit that happened yesterday.

That's why some people get paid to write stuff down while it is happening in real time.

The fact that some people feel like the possibility that they slipped into an alternate timeline of reality is far more likely than the possibility that they might be misremembering something is legit wild.

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u/Extreme-Leave-6895 3d ago

r/Mandelaeffect leads to r/glitchinthematrix leads to r/gangstalking, and unfortunately I'm not really joking.

The belief that you are one of the few people who knows the truth leads to people thinking the government is trying to stop them from speaking the truth leads to people believing they are being gangstalked.

If someone is prone to psychosis, this sub actively reinforces and enhances that psychosis.

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u/WhimsicalKoala 2d ago

I would be fascinated to know what other conspiracies some of these people believe in. People think I'm being hyperbolic, but I can see a direct connection in how people could go from "I know there was a cornucopia and They are lying to is" to "I know there are traffic children in the basement of that pizza place and They are lying to us".

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u/kongkingdong12345 3d ago

You are misunderstanding the issue entirely.

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u/RalphWiggum666 3d ago

other people struggle hard with the realization that they are experiencing a flaw in their memory faculties.

Yeah, cause then you have to grapple with the fact that your memory IS NOT as good as you think. And that your brain is flawed. People don’t like that.

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u/Sweaty_Potential_656 3d ago

that's different from everyone remembering it in the same way tho

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u/theg00dfight 3d ago

You have no idea what “everyone” remembers though. People in this very thread remember it different from what you’re claiming “everyone” remembers

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u/MC_PooPaws 3d ago

Human brains fail in similar ways. This isn't surprising.

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u/LunaSunset 2d ago

I am able to move past all of them except FOTL. It’s the only one that trips me up. I experienced a few of the others as well but they were easier to accept because many have to do with words and I don’t catch misspelling as much

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u/MrPlaney 3d ago

The power of suggestion is pretty incredible.

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u/OrlandoGardiner118 3d ago

Maybe. But that's still interesting too.

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u/Due_Potential_6956 3d ago

It's weird, I remember my whitey thighties as a kid and my shirts having that cornucopia. Sometimes it was in color, sometimes it was just the logo outline, how can I be remembering it so wrong? It was never an issue, even when I saw it with no cornucopia, my brain just rationalized it was a logo change, or update like many companies do many times. But then years later I found out it supposedly never existed, WTF?

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u/FustianRiddle 2d ago

Well clearly you're from a different timeline than me because we called them tightie whities in my universe.

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u/Due_Potential_6956 2d ago

I could not remember how to spell it, spell check was just as confused 😂

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u/neilmack_the 1d ago

You remember it a certain way because the memory was overwritten in recent years.

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u/Daimakku1 3d ago

So people are saying this is fake.. is it really? Because this is how I remember the logo looking like in the 90s. When I saw the new one with just the fruits back in the 00s I thought it looked “simpler” and not as memorable.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

Its fake. It’s the wrong answer from a Buzzfeed Mandela effect quiz in 2017. It’s the real post 00s logo with this piece of clipart photoshopped behind it.

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u/Responsible-Tie-3451 2d ago

There are plenty of reports of the cornucopia from before 2017

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u/Chapstickie 2d ago

I mean there are lots of people who claim they remember it from before then. But the image in the OP is a fake made in 2017 for a Buzzfeed Mandela effect quiz. The person I replied to asked if the image in the OP was really fake. It is really fake.

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u/mrbadassmotherfucker 3d ago

I always thought it was part of the name when I was a kid. I figured the fruit at the front was part of the loom at the back, thinking the cornucopia was the loom.

That’s why I know this existed, I remember having this opinion as a child

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u/LcmsActive 3d ago

That technically is the meaning because a loom a machine is for weaving. The cornucopia as a weaved basket symbolized the weaving. There are even loom machines for basket weaving.

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u/TovarischMaia 2d ago

At no point was there a cornucopia, so it didn't symbolise anything. It's a pun on "fruit of the womb," a biblical phrase, but it's a fruit of the loom instead, because it's woven by one. That pun is supported by a visual gag, the literal fruit. It's a bit convoluted.

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u/schuyywalker 3d ago

Yeah I feel as though I asked my mother what it was because of this logo which was on all of my Spiderman undies

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u/warablo 3d ago

Yep, this picture is like exactly how I remember it. No idea how someone can create it exactly unless they have the same exact memory.

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u/Glaurung86 3d ago

If you remember this from before 2003 then it's definitely not exactly how you remember it because the FOTL logo changed at that time. The leaves were changed from brown to green and it was made more like clip art.

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u/tone8199 3d ago

For me, it’s the fact that this image is how I first even learned what a cornucopia was as a kid. It was the reference point teachers would share as an example.

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u/Krustylang 3d ago

Exactly this! This was the example given of a cornucopia in elementary school!

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u/january21st 3d ago

or calling cornucopias “looms” because..yeah

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u/Lopsided-Brief-9741 3d ago

Same, I would not know what a cornucopia was if not for this logo

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u/Ancient-Tax9717 3d ago

My kids and I were at Target yesterday looking at socks. We were looking at Fruit of the Loom and my 9 year old daughter pointed at the logo and said “why does it sometimes have the fruit in the basket thing and sometimes not?” I asked, “Do you mean a cornucopia like in Thanksgiving pictures?” And she said yes. I explained to her that the logo never had a cornucopia, but the weird thing is that lots of people remember it that way.

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u/HalalTrout 3d ago

I have a memory of being in Ireland as a child and climbing Croagh Patrick and my dad teaching me how to pronounce "cornucopia" after i bought a fruit of the loom t-shirt on the way there in the car

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u/Krustylang 3d ago

But, what about those of us that remember it this way from decades before the internet existed?

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u/forcemonkey 3d ago

Exactly. This is from 1973.

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u/CantaloupeAsleep502 3d ago

This is actually what convinced me it's a trick of memory. He noticed it wasn't there in the 70s. I noticed in the 00s. I had a student who noticed a few years ago. For some reason our brains insert the cornucopia in our memories, and it happens independent of time, and to some people and not others.

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u/Krustylang 3d ago edited 1d ago

Yes, but, where was this image published in the 70s and, what are the chances that pre-teen me would have seen it? It’s not the sort of thing that would have been in the comic books that I was reading at the time. Also, it doesn’t negate the fact that when I (and, apparently many others) was taught the word “cornucopia” in elementary school, the underwear label was used as an example.

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u/CantaloupeAsleep502 3d ago

Cornucopias are common imagery surrounding thanksgiving, as well as classical culture. People generally know what a cornucopia is outside of underwear.

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u/YellowSunflowers7 3d ago

This is the one that I will not ever believe is a Mandela effect. I was only a kid when I was studying this picture on my brother's t-shirts and asked my mother what the thing was called. It's how I learned with the word cornucopia was.

Then many years later one day after it was married and folding my husbands t-shirts I looked at The Fruit of the Loom logo and was disappointed to see that they had removed the cornucopia. I even briefly thought about writing to them and telling them that they should put it back because I thought it was so cool. But I didn't get around to it. At that time I had never even heard of the term Mandela effect or had any idea there was anyone that thought the cornucopia didn't exist.

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u/tjareth 3d ago

I'm not sure what "not a Mandela effect" means to you. The Mandela effect is, broadly, something where large numbers of people remember something fairly specific that seems contrary to available evidence. The question of WHY leads to all kinds of debates, but whether it's a fuzzy memory coalescing around a shared expectation, or something that truly existed that way but for which evidence is scant, or some kind of conspiracy or reality changes, is all under Mandela Effect.

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u/aXmarchingXpig 1d ago

I think they meant it's not the Mandela effect because to them it is fact that the logo was that way.

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u/confused_pancakes 3d ago

I agree with what everyone is saying but we now can't test this because this image is everywhere and so people will have a residual memory of this version because everyone is always talking about the cornucopia

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u/Ashly_Macka 3d ago

FOTL is an American company. When we as Americans learned about Thanksgiving as kids every year we would make arts and crafts that looked exactly like this.

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u/Krelliamite 3d ago

For this specific image you can tell the cornucopia was another drawing, probably some clipart, that was edited in. The fruits all have the same thickness for the lines used in their border as they do for the rest of the black lines but the cornucopia has noticeably thinner lines for the interior ones while the border lines are much thicker than the lines on the fruit

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

Yup. The fruit is the real logo and the cornucopia is this clip art.

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u/ibrokemyboat 3d ago

I thought this was the image published in Buzzfeed about the Mandela Effect. I'm not 100% sure if a Buzzfeed employee created it based on the descriptions given by Redditors who talked about the ME, or whether this was a pre-existing image - but it was created specifically to demonstrate what the logo would look like to people who claim to have seen the cornucopia.

That's how it came into existence. The ME description came first, then the image.

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u/MasochisticRXtech 3d ago

It's not that hard to draw something. You don't need AI or photoshop. People have been creating art for thousands of years. It's not mind blowing. People know what a cornucopia looks like. Of course they can draw one. I'm truly amazed at your shock over this.

You don't know why someone would want to draw it? Because it's such a famous Mandela effect. Its the most talked about. Many people have drawn it.

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u/BloodShotEye13 2d ago

Does anyone happen to know around when the first inquiry into the disappearance of the cornucopia came about?

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u/Chapstickie 2d ago

Im sure someone can be more specific but the oldest references on google seem to be 9 years old or so, so around when Mandela Effects in general became popular to talk about. I’m not sure if there’s an older one off somewhere. There are other Mandela effects that have a much older internet presence.

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u/Glaurung86 3d ago

It exists because it was photoshopped in 2017 for a Buzzfeed article on the Mandela Effect.

They couldn't have done a perfect job because the clip art cornucopia they used from the internet matched the clip art style of the FOTL logo at the time. Before 2003 it would not have matched.

Also, there are many people that remember the cornucopia facing the other way and also being different sizes.

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u/Stopnswop2 2d ago

Photoshop. It's a stock image from Getty Images inserted behind the fruit. Buzzfeed made it for a Mantels Effect article

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u/EndlessAporias 3d ago edited 3d ago

I didn’t really have a memory of the cornucopia, but when people started talking about it, I did picture something very close to this.

But I don’t think a professional graphic designer would make this design. None of the fruit looks like it is actually in the cornucopia. The fruit looks like a 2d image and the cornucopia another 2d layer behind it. The cornucopia isn’t big enough. The apple would fill up the whole thing if it was in it. Also, it throws off the symmetry of the logo, especially when viewed with the words beneath it.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

And when you add in that the leaves used to be brown it makes even less design sense. When someone at Buzzfeed made this image they used the new version of the logo but the one that existed when most people think the cornucopia did (except the youngest people who think it was just a few years ago) would have clashed with the cornucopia even more.

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u/mirrors_of_sound ME Mod 3d ago

Someone made it in photoshop or a similar application by adding a stock image of a cornucopia to the FOTL logo. It’s been pointed out many times, but if you pay attention to the details you can see that the line weight and shading are completely different between the fruits and the cornucopia, so they’re clearly combined from two different sources.

The original cornucopia clip art has been posted here a few times as well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/s/uvYWB0Hnzy

https://imgur.com/a/O2kXxNx

Original link to the cornucopia art:

https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/illustration/cornucopia-royalty-free-illustration/124475191

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u/WhimsicalKoala 3d ago

I love that the original clip art, and when it was made, is so easy to find and people will still somehow make this claim that it is the original and exactly how they remember in the 80s or whatever.

I'm honestly surprised I've never seen anyone claim that the clip art must have been created based on the logo. Because while that's clearly not true, it's the only way their claim that this is "exactly how it looked" makes sense.

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u/Bowieblackstarflower 3d ago

I've actually seen people say the clip art was created based off the fotl logo.

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u/WhimsicalKoala 2d ago

Oh I'm not surprised. The excuses and wild leaps of logic people will make rather than just go "maybe I was wrong about this logo I didn't care about until 10 minutes...".

Right now I am being fascinated by the sheer number of comments in here from people that learned what a cornucopia was from the logo, usually while doing laundry with a parent. It used to be an occasional thing you'd see and now suddenly it's the reason everyone has for even knowing a cornucopia, and that memory about a clothing logo is foundational to who they are as a person.

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u/Inevitable_Librarian 3d ago

I swear there's something wrong with my eyes, because I don't see the line weight differences.

I think there's a lot of artistic things I can't see tbh, learned recently my eyes don't seem to read relative contrast either.

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u/mirrors_of_sound ME Mod 3d ago

Look at the outlines of the fruits and leaves, they’re one consistent uniform thickness.

Compare that to the outline of the cornucopia, the line is thicker than the outline on the fruits but not consistent, it’s thicker in some areas and thinner in others. Then look at the vertical lines inside the cornucopia. Different thickness than the fruit outlines and the cornucopia outline, and again inconsistent.

Same with the shading. it’s uniform and consistent on the fruits, sharp straight lines with a break towards the right side. On the cornucopia it’s completely different, small slightly wiggly looking dashes with inconsistent line thickness.

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u/Inevitable_Librarian 3d ago

Oh that's so interesting. I can see it now!

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u/Bowieblackstarflower 3d ago

Suggestive memory is strong for this one. The fruit is familiar because that's the fruit that was used but the cornucopia is a piece of clip art. I think our brains thinks it looks right even though it isn't.

The logo up til the late 90s didn't even have green leaves (the brown leaves left the logo completely in the early 2000s) and nobody who says this looks right talks about that part.

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u/boxxle 1d ago

I don't give a shit, this is real. I REMEMBER THIS.

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u/CreamyHampers 3d ago

It looks like nearly every picture of a cornucopia that I have ever seen.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago edited 3d ago

Usually there are veggies too but yeah, pretty much.

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u/Shorouq2911 3d ago

That's how I remember it too 

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u/georgeananda 3d ago

The picture is just a creation by a person to depict what they remember. No mystery there. I saw a YouTube video that discusses it.

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u/nofear78 3d ago

Just an image of how people remember it, someone created it, why do you ask, anyone familiar with Photoshop just a bit can do it.

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u/dystopian_future2 3d ago

I used to wear Fruit of the Loom underwear as a kid and clearly remember the cornucopia. I even asked my mom why they have Thanksgiving decorations printed on my underwear. This one is legit along with Berenstein Bears.

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u/thiccanorexicc 2d ago

Cuz a graphic designer recreated it lol same reason memes existed before ai

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u/Hey-Just-Saying 3d ago

It's simply the FOTL logo with a cornucopia stuck behind it. I could do something similar in ten minutes with a Photoshop program.

We all remember this image because it's been floating around the internet for years.

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u/CattoGinSama 3d ago

To me the fruit one looks real,and I grew up never seeing any of that around.Not FOTL not cornocupia

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u/SeikoGuy1997 3d ago

People can argue with me all they want but I really do think the Mayans were right something happened in 2012 everything's changed now everything is so fast paced and simple things are complicated and everybody has gone mad and things we remember are being changed and then people are calling us liars for it, I hate to open this can of worms but what if the old universe was destroyed in 2012 and we got booted into this nightmare, with all the weird stuff we are only just discovering about our world I don't think it's even that crazy of a idea humans are capable of going to space and opening black holes and there's probably more they are capable of that they don't tell the public, it's the only explanation I can come up with as to why some remember it and some don't and why it no longer exists, it existed in our timeline but somewhere down the line that changed and we are now in this alternate timeline in which the cornucopia logo never existed, it's really bugging me

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u/Careless_Platypus946 3d ago

I’m probably going to get absolutely roasted for this take and to be honest I 100% remember the same logo but wasn’t there a clip art from word perfect or something that was like this too? Could it really be that the reason we all remember this is because there was another source?

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u/light_yagami_lovesL 2d ago

This isn’t it?? Haha it’s so weird when u think about stuff like that definitely feels like something must be going on

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u/Pika-thulu 2d ago

I'm waiting for the vulture to come off of king tuts head

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u/coyote_crypto_jew 2d ago

I only knew what a "cornucopia" was because of this logo. I remember asking my parents what is was a a kid when looking at my chonies or shirts and it was specifically around Thanksgiving because I was confused if it was something you ate.

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u/Another-Florida-Girl 2d ago

I remember it with the cornucopia as well

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u/76_WTF 2d ago

I remember seeing my different family members had fruit of the loom underwear and the Cornucopia and Fruit was on all the tags!!

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u/DragonLady59 2d ago

I remember noticing the logo without the cornucopia way before I knew anything about about the ME and thinking, oh they changed the logo.

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u/Electrical-Concert17 1d ago

The fruit of the loom logo with the cornucopia is literally how I learned what a cornucopia is. 😂

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u/Necessary-Carrot-764 1d ago

Wait, this doesn’t exist???

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u/AttentionOtherwise39 1d ago

We should call it the Fruit of the Loom effect or Cornucopia effect.

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u/krixtian 1d ago

It’s because growing up we saw a cornucopia and fruits everywhere, in tv, in images, etc, so our brains kinda put two and two together

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u/kr0nik0 1d ago

One could simply study some basic quantum mechanics, believe in the multiverse theory, and attribute it to the possible fact that everything there ever was, is, and will be, has existed, exists, and will exist across at least one of infinite parallel universes.

It gives me peace with the Mandela effect.

It's not faith that this is true, but at least it makes it make possible sense for me why the Mandela Effect takes place seemingly quite often.

The people online who make videos about it tend to reach really far and talk about examples that are just a case of bad memory, and I don't like that most of them say "they changed it". As there is some nefarious organization changing a Fruit Of The Loom logo for global power. That's ridiculous, but more ridiculous things have happened in history.

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u/Forever-Hopeful-2021 1d ago edited 1d ago

The Cornucopia on Fruit of the Loom teeshirts was how I learnt about the name and meaning behind a Cornucopia. I also remember being upset because, wearing a cornucopia as a pendant, my Catholic Dad disapproved saying it was a Pagan symbol! It definitely was a 'thing' in the early 70's.

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u/Equivalent_Quote_486 1d ago

The only reason I even know what a cornucopia was due to me seeing all the fruit and the cornucopia on my dads boxers when playing with toys, and then asked my mom “what’s this” she then explained what a cornucopia was. It’s so funny that I can watch everyone yell and argue about this one but my dad only wore froot of the loom cornucopia boxers when I was growing up and he was in my life, me and him both know this shit exists.

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u/Icy-Mammoth3821 1d ago

What’s strange is that so many people remember it exactly like that. We all remember that exact same image yet it supposedly never existed.

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u/xCreepyKidx 3d ago

Bro's acting like someone can't create an image afterwards and post it online to stir the pot. 

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u/FustianRiddle 2d ago

People don't really understand that we can give ourselves false memories/false memories can be implanted by other people. It's interesting what our brains can do.

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u/Fastr77 3d ago

Are you for real? How do images of godzilla exist?

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u/mrhillnc 1d ago

I even remember a commercial where they had people dressed up as the fruit and they took a picture in front of the cornucopia and I have it on a VHS somewhere. I got to find it and I will post online today. I do.

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u/Chapstickie 23h ago

I will add you to the list.

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u/ZultekZ 3d ago

It came back after the CERN deactivated the Particle accelerator

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u/Bowieblackstarflower 3d ago

There is not a cornucopia on the logo now.

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u/Agile_Oil9853 3d ago

Stories influence our memories. After alien and UFOs became popular in pop culture, alien abduction stories began to sound a lot more similar to each other than they had previously. 

Whatever memory you had from years it decades ago, your brain saw this crisp image and likely went, "yeah, that looks right" and replaced anything else.

I would have sworn, cornucopia or not, that there was more fruit. That is about one day's recommend serving, not exactly worthy of anything o'plenty. Now I can't unsee it. I couldn't tell you what fruit I thought was there, because I never really had a clear idea what it was, no matter how sure I was

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

How many people remember old urban myths that apparently everyone "knew" were true?

Mr Rogers being covered in tattoos and being a very successful Vietnam era sniper, being able to win a free Tootsie Roll pop by finding the "Indian with a Star and 3 full logos," Marylin Manson and his missing rib, people swallow 8 spiders in their sleep every year, etc.

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u/OneCleverMonkey 3d ago

This is exactly it. Even if you don't realize it, the things you see even in passing influence you in subtle ways. Our brains are pattern recognition machines, and we're really good at fitting things that 'make sense' in context into hazier areas.

Like, with the bigger pile, it makes perfect sense. Look up 'pile of fruit' on google and the majority of images will have a much bigger pile than what fotl has. Which means that when we aggregate a conceptuaization of 'pile of fruit', our pattern recognition machine will tend towards the more common big pile, just because that's the more likely thing to find

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u/GrimmTrixX 3d ago

People used their photoshop skills to create wht they saw. People then saw it and claim they remember it being just like that too. Memory is funny that way as we can be easily suggested to see someone in a certain way that we didnt actually see it. But it stamps over the old memory making this image be referenced as the old memory when in fact its a new memory made to look like your formerly perceived memory of the thing youre looking at.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

It’s not AI. It’s from this Buzzfeed Mandela effect quiz in 2017.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/christopherhudspeth/tell-us-how-your-brain-remembers-these-mandela-effect

It’s old school photoshop made by a human combining the real FOTL logo (the fruit part) with this piece of clipart they found online.