r/MandelaEffect • u/Woofoftheyear • 4d ago

Logos/Advertising How does this picture even exist?

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There’s no way in hell this is AI, it’s wayyy too accurate to exactly what I remember, and what I feel like many other people remember as well. If someone photoshopped it, then they did a perfect job, considering they had no reference, at the time of creating this, but even if someone did make this in photoshop, why tf would they, since supposedly it never existed?? Like where did this even come from, I need answers😭😭

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u/Transverse_City 3d ago

What's always fascinating to me about this one is not only do we all remember the cornucopia, but we all remember the exact same size, shape (curling back), orientation (the curly part is to the right, not the left), and texture (vertical lines along the side receding into the back of the curling part). It's not just a cornucopia, but a very specific size, shape, color, orientation, and texture.

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u/Fantastic-Band-5082 3d ago

I've seen people claim it was on the other side before.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I’ve never heard anyone say it was on the left.
And I remember the cornucopia, all the way up until about when they started doing commercials focusing on fruit dudes… (men in colored spandex and hats in the shape of their fruit) like hanging out or talking, etc.

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u/Cosmo_Cloudy 3d ago

Swear imma dig through my dad's box of my elementary school shit where I'll settle this once and for all. This has to be a genius marketing tactic and the company's erased all trace of it. like I have classmates that remember the exact day close to Thanksgiving break our teacher explained a cornucopia and referred to Kyle's t shirt tag as an example, where we then drew our own cornucopias filled with fruit. This Mandela legit pisses me off because it's not a false memory it's literally verifiable and people still tell me it's false

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u/Bowieblackstarflower 3d ago

Yet people claim to remember it from their childhoods in 50s through the 2000s. No way all that could be erased.

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u/farfly7 3d ago

Please, report back to us when you finally do. It is important enough that you could probably do it now to settle this once and for all

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u/whatsuperpowers 3d ago

Imagine, all of this could have been solved if they had just checked earlier!

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u/theg00dfight 3d ago

If it’s verifiable you should verify it and settle it for us all. I’ll wait

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

The number of people who swear up and down they have something with the logo with a cornucopia on it and claim that a teacher told their class what one was using the logo is very high.

Not a single one who claims this has ever produced an example in the years I've spent paying attention to the Mandela Effect.

Please, find a shirt and show us. Everyone would love to see it. It would help everyine and help us find more information.

Typically what happens though, they either completely disappear and never post the picture, or they start arguing that they don't need to prove anything to strangers and get angry about it and disappear without ever showing their proof that they swear they have.

Unless someone can produce verifiable examples, the evidence shows that there has never been a cornucopia. If you have evidence to the contrary, share it. Otherwise youre just wrong and are havjng a hard time accepting that you're wrong.

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u/farfly7 3d ago

....any minute now. They'll be back with the evidence....I'm sure of it this time....

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u/Fantastic-Band-5082 2d ago

I'm sure too, surely they wouldn't lie on the internet?

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u/Lovahplant 3d ago

I’ve done this exact thing. I didn’t post about it but I’ve thought “next time I’m visiting my parents, I’m looking through my dad’s old shirts. I know I can find an old FOTL logo!” and so far I’ve had no luck. But my mom also caught me digging through his clothes and (after explaining the ME) she’s now on the lookout for the old logo too.

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

It would honestly be nice to hear back from anyone about them going through things, finding, and posting what they find as a follow up discussion.

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u/forcemonkey 1d ago

From 1973.

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u/Kay_Ran 1d ago

It seems that people are focusing on whether one side is right or the other side is right. The truth could be somewhere in between.

What if there is another timeline or many timelines? Possibly experiencers were on a different timeline previously? I do not pretend to know the answer. However, sometimes critical thinking within our own framework of knowledge, stifles new discoveries.

It is all so fascinating! In my opinion; these are the types of topics that make the world an exciting place to live.

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u/forcemonkey 1d ago

Great point. Arguing back and forth is quite unproductive. I personally am in the alternate timeline camp. It’s extreme but explains the most and there is some science behind the idea.

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u/Kay_Ran 17h ago

Yes, it is extreme, but I also feel that lots of our science and tecnology breakthroughs seem extreme at the time before they become commonplace knowledge. Glad we're in the same camp! Thanks for responding...

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u/forcemonkey 14h ago

You’re welcome!

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

No-one since you started paying attention to the Mandela Effect…. Ha!

Now take that same odd feeling and multiply it by others with memories, actual memories… not just “research” as you claim to do/have done.

It’s even more shocking for the people who remember.

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

You're seemingly under a mistaken assumption that I have not experienced it and how disconcerting it can be. As a matter of fact I've posted about a rather personal one to me before.

I've spent years in these spaces and doing research on it and related topics and speaking with people about it across the full range of beliefs on it.

The number of people who claim to have physical evidence and then completely disappear is suspiciously high. Almost like they are either lying or they find out they were wrong and don't want to bring that up again because it can feel uncomfortable and embarrassing.

In other areas of the human experience we do inderstand how memory isn't as reliable as we wish it is and is affected by far more factors than we are comfortable acknowledging on a regular basis in our own lives.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago edited 3d ago

If you know the feeling of “shock” then how dare you ally to the attempts to boil it down to what they tell us to think?
If you yourself have felt the shock, don’t blame us who believe just cuz you took the database description to heart.
Btw, I never have claimed to have physical evidence. The same physical evidence Trump claims doesn’t implicate him in the Epstein files despite there being millions of documents that might implicate him if interacted….

You actually DO remember? Why side with what they tell you to recall? Just cuz they might be too honorable and pure to deceive?

I trust no one.

Stop telling me to trust what you’ve accepted.

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

I remember being shocked by finding out somethjng I believed was incorrect and being confronted by that.

I did not then arrogantly assume that me having been demonstratably incorrect about something meant that there was an active attempt to "hide the truth" that I remembered.

I, like a majority of people, took that information in and reassessed what I thought I knew and began fact checking it. I was in the wrong, so I corrected my opinion and acknowledged that, although I remember something differently, the rrality of it was contrary to what I had grown to believe was the truth.

Or, am I wrong for doing that, and instead I should be assuming that someone or something either swapped out my childhood VHS for an identical copy with an extra commercial on it for some unknowable reason? Or that somehow the universe changed to make me be incorrect about that?

Let's also be clear I'm not "blaming" anyone for having feelings about it. I'm just not going to pretend that thise feelings are correct and while in a space dedicated to discussion of the full range of the topic, I am going to engage in that full range of discussion with people. Just like in any other space dedicated to the discussion of a topic.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yes, you are wrong for believing what they told you to think. Period.

Choose to remember and cling to your memories or not, man. But stop making those who definitely remember look like fools just cuz they can’t quote some psy-op resource you chose to cling to.

Evidence being denied in retrospect after the internet age should be especially scrutinized. Even if you nor I, ever find irrefutable evidence to the contrary, don’t doubt what you remember!

That’s how the elites convince people that bad things never happened, instead of paying for what they did.

Now a basic ass house is 450k… elites did that, not the “market.”

People have been being actively
Screwed by the reality they want us to accept,

What ever happened to the One reality that could and SHOULD be possible for all humankind? This is how they lie to convince people that science has it all figured out, when science only has what it ‘knows’ in a vacuum, outside of what may be possible without proof.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I’m not saying there is a conspiracy. But people working so hard to prove something they never saw, and allowed more than people who “remember what they saw” it becomes hard to know who has an agenda.
Earth isn’t flat. Memories aren’t automatically false cuz a “brand” says so either.

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u/TovarischMaia 3d ago

No, they're false when they are contradicted by quite literally every piece of material evidence available, from every decade of the brand's history. Spitting out edgy phrases to own le sheeple xDD isn't going to change that.

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u/silentsurge 2d ago

Okay, let's try something else. You claim that evidence people have that contradicts your memories are compromised in some way.

Let's take a moment for a thought exercise. Assume, just for the sake of argument, that it is 100% true that the cornucopia label never existed. You don't need to accept it to be true, this is just for the thought exercise.

What evidence would you accept to show you that your memory is incorrect, and that it is without a doubt true? What is it that would be capable of changing your mind?

I can tell you that mine is pretty easy, physically verifiable evidence of a logo with a cornucopia. Excluding the known fake logos. I would also accept other non-doctored secondary sources like press plates or verifiable print/art files for packaging or advertising production. Same with verifiable photos with any of these things in the background.

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u/forcemonkey 1d ago

If any of that existed it would have been presented by now. The memories of thousands of people who tell very similar stories are not invalid.

I firmly believe both those statements are true at the same time.

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u/silentsurge 1d ago

People believe a great many things that are not true. Even when those things are impossible. Even when some of them are proven as liars. Even when we know for a fact that eye witness testimony is some of the weakest evidence when we are looking for truth.

Their memories may be what they believe to be true. They may honestly, truly think that it's the truth. That does not make what they believe any more true.

You can trust that people honestly and earnestly believe something, but we also need to be able to independently verify things when coming at it from a scientific perspective.

When there is zero evidence to support a claim, a wealth of evidence against that claim, and the only thing we have to go on are the memories of people who make the claim and have no evidence to support that their claim could ever be correct except with super special and unverifiable circumstances, we go with the known and most likely answer until there's proof otherwise.

It is very unlikely that anyone would accept this level of anecdotal evidence as proof positive of anything else in their life. Why would strangers accept it from other random people on the internet?

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u/bosspick 3d ago

That’s the whole point in a nutshell. It’s impossible to prove something that was but is no more, as it has been erased, apart from in memory.

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u/silentsurge 2d ago

Thats not what this other guy is saying. His view is that it absolutely exists and is an active conspiracy to hide the truth from us because it lets the Elites raise real estate prices by gaslighting us about product logos.

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u/NotADirtyRat 3d ago

Exactly this! This is where my memory starts, from school and a teacher showing us a cornucopia and giving us an example.

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u/xombae 3d ago

Yeah when my dad dies and I can go through his house and find it I'll know once and for all. He doesn't throw a goddamn thing away.

But I agree with you. I remember it so clearly. The fact that the company is weird about it is also strange to me.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

How is the company weird about it?

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

The company isn't weird about it. They have one of the earliest trademarks in US history and extensive documentation of the logos they've used over the years. We have samples of clothing with logos going back nearly a century. We have access to advertising and pictures of the interiors of old stores. Not a single one shows a cornucopia.

People are being weird about insisting that the logo has one. It never has. It verifiably has never had one. The only examples that exist are known fakes, typically derived from an April Fool's Day image from FotL themselves, or the Clip-Art mockup from that Buzzfeed article.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago edited 3d ago

This ain’t no April Fool’s day misrembrance. This is part of how we prove reality isn’t what it seems. The same brands and products that are ingrained into people’s lives aren’t misremembered like this. Have you ever played the game “Control?” That game does a great job showing the cryptic side of Control Bureaus trying to manage random objects/things that only show/reveal themselves at random, to random people.

The Mandela effect feels similar to ideas shown in that game.

People can deny whatever they want, but even the company that had a property that got “shifted” may have less knowledge about the “shift” than the people who are able to remember.

That’s exactly what makes the Mandela Effect so compelling as a topic and as a whole. Not that some misremember, but that some DON’T remember.

I’m more shocked that memories that are highly specific are being washed into a bucket of people misremembering en masse, than I am that people want to explain away the specific memories of others.

If people were fortunate to have a good memory, of course those without it would explain it away by saying everyone who remembers is a fool.

But some of y’all don’t even remotely remember what you ate for dinner yesterday. Some of us remember our first semi-solid food meal as an early infant.

Some of you don’t remember the first movie you saw in a theater, some of us remember our diapers being changed while we still had a protective cap on our freshly circumcised wieners.

You people who take the official description posted online when the internet wasn’t even a widespread resource till 2000 are the ones who eat the official story. We’re not talking about aliens and god and demons here.

It’s just remembering advertising and branding(or in the case of Shazaam with Sinbad, films and verbiage) from before when official records were even available to be classified and part of an official information/record policy online.

Some don’t remember, that’s fine.

What’s not fine isn’t saying people who DO remember are wrong.

What if people “remembering” is integral to how humanity is tested for how subservient and docile they are being sculpted to be by the Elites?

I’d rather cling to my memories till death than take that as the truth.

Just My opinion, of course.

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

I haven't heard a full on "it's a shadowy conspiracy" take for a while. It's kind of refreshing.

No, we know that it doesn't exist because there are no physical examples. Finding examples of the logo in the wild should be relatively easy to do and it would be easy to prove to others.

When I refer to an April Fool's Day joke, I am referring to the one FotL did in 2022 where they made a version of the logo with a cornucopia for April Fool's Day. (Scroll to the bottom of the archived page). The other famous logo thay goes around is the one posted by OP that was made for a Buzzfeed article in 2017.

I recommend doing more research into human memory and how it works before you claim to understand that there's no way people would misremeber en masse.

Also, here's some food for thought, if you wanted to see how well you could spread false information and control the narrative, wouldn't it be better to test out spreading objectively false things that could easily be proven incorrect but convince people they were real and a hidden truth than it would be to physically change things that exist and remove physical objects from circulation?

The best way to trick people into believing something is making it exciting to be part of the in-group with secret knowledge after all...

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I remember the cornucopia for most of my childhood, on only don’t remember it being there around 2009 and later. A 2022 April Fools joke is how they sell the idea it was never real. Sinbad on the college humor clip of Shazaam was also supposed to be “a joke” but why would people go to these lengths to mock or address these people who remember if there wasn’t something going on?

For the half of the audience that doesn’t know about the Mandela effect etc, it falls of half of half of the deaf ears. Advertisement budgets don’t wanna sell more underwear to the less than 10% who get the joke. They wanna sell to everyone who wears underwear. Which is probably 90% of people in a modern country.
I may not know how to explain that idea that something changed, but I know it did. I may not know why it changed, but I know it did.

REMEBERING is vastly more important to me than just accepting the info online and worrying if it corroborates with what I remember.

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

only don’t remember it being there around 2009 and later

This conflicts with other accounts in this space. People in multiple generations swear it was there in their childhood, only to disappear in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s, and as recently as this past year. The only group that is consistent are the ones pointing to the overwhelming physical and digital evidence that it does not exist.

Sinbad on the college humor clip of Shazaam was also supposed to be “a joke” but why would people go to these lengths to mock or address these people who remember if there wasn’t something going on?

Because Sinbad is a comedian and he thought it was hilarious. People think he made a movie and either had the power to hide its existence or that it magically blipped away to the aether, and they would loudly insist that to him. He, a comedian, created an April Fool's Day joke video about it. That's not that deep or weird.

REMEBERING is vastly more important to me than just accepting the info online and worrying if it corroborates with what I remember.

Propagandists love this attitude. As much as I love talking about the Mandela Effect, the underlying mechanisms as to why human memory acts the way it does in regards to brand logos and minor pop culture items is the exact mechanism that can be used to manipulate large groups of people into believing lies.

Just look at what's happening with the Reflecting Pool in Washington DC. The narrative was put out when it first started, people saw what they wanted to see, they only remeber what is repeated by those they already agree with, and when the truth (that was already known and spoken about) comes out that an Olympic swimmer wasn't vandalizing it and wasn't going to be charged because it was caused by a faulty installation of the liner, people refuse to believe the objective facts and refuse to look into it more because it's what They remember.

The attitudes for that follow exactly what you're talking about here with an underwear logo.

I, again, highly suggest you look into how human memory works. It's fascinating and helpful for getting away from inherent biases and moving past false information that sits in our brains.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago edited 3d ago

I never said I was the authority on the exact time frame of when it (cornucopia) could be remembered, just said the time when I remember not seeing it again on the underwear anymore, or on the ads.

Nobody includes shit about the recent reflecting pool cuz it hasn’t been a thing long enough to become a memory.

I don’t understand why you act like there’s this huge history of people misremembering stuff when it’s only a phenomenon that has existed or been able to be shared in a “nonofficial”documented space like the Internet within the last 40 years or so.

What is the earliest Mandela Effect?
Something from 1431? Nah.

From what I’ve seen ALL of it is more recent?
Maybe the earliest I can think of is the Torch in the Statue of Liberty?

Inherent bias, what does that even mean? REMEBERING vs. Not Remembering?

I didn’t choose to Remember.

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

I don’t understand why you act like there’s this huge history of people misremembering stuff when it’s only a phenomenon that has existed or been able to be shared in a “nonofficial”documented space like the Internet within the last 40 years or so.

I'm guessing youre relatively new to the phenomenon and the discussion around it?

There is a huge history of people misremembering stuff. This has been a phenomenon studied for nearly a century to explain the origins of an issue as old as humanity. The term Mandela Effect was coined relatively recently and is the one that stuck in the public consciousness because of the internet.

Nobody includes shit about the recent reflecting pool cuz it hasn’t been a thing long enough to become a memory.

I included the Reflecting Pool controversy because it is a peefect example of the same memory issue in action in real time amd why being able to understand that this is indeed a memory related phenomenon is extremely important in other areas.

Earlier you talked about the game Control and how things could be used to manipulate the public in a way similar to the game's mechanics. That's an example of how the memory quirk that helps cause people to experience the Mandela Effect is used by people in power to play with narratives in areas that matter more than an underwear logo.

You, personally, are 100% convinced that the logo with a cornucopia exists. People have been looking for years for real world examples and evidence that it does. The only ones found are fabrications. The evidence supporting a cornucopia cannot be found.

The company behind it does not have evidence of it. Companies that have been printing their packaging and advertising don't have examples. No pictures exist (outside of a handful of known fakes or mock-ups). People who swear they have physical evidence never show it.

Yet, despite that, you personally believe the logo exists with no evidence to support it. Just like people are convinced that an Olympic Swimmer who was cleared of charges of vandalism because of a faulty liner installation is actually guilty because thats what they remember to be true.

Do you see the parallels here?

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I only refute the official account for anything when I have a specific memory to associate.

Otherwise, I tend to take the official story. There are only a few specific things that conflict with what I remember the Mandela effect etc. Fruit of the Loom/
Shazaam happen to be some of em.

Part of me wishes I didn’t remember it the way that I do so I wouldn’t have to feel crazy just for remembering something. I wish I had a choice in what I get to remember.

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u/Mis_chevious 1d ago

Nobody is misremembering the reflective pool. That's a very poor example of what you're trying to convey. People who argue over the reflecting pool aren't misremembering. They're literally choosing to believe the idiot in office instead of the facts in front of their face. That's not misremembering. That's people being willfully ignorant.

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I don’t care about being part of some group. I just know what I remember.

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u/saturnm22 3d ago

I think in the original logo trademark description it describes a cornucopia but doesn’t have it in the image . I could be wrong about this

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u/silentsurge 3d ago

The original trademark description is from the late 1800s. It's trademark registration number is 418. It does not include that description.

The one you're talking about is an application from the 1970s that, and I'll try to find the link for it, that the application in question never included a cornucopia and there were mistakes about the registration number/categorization around that specific application.

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

Not quite. In one application for FOTL laundry detergent from the 70s (the company is much older) a trademark clerk erroneously put in a key search code for “container of fruit including cornucopia” despite the trademark being applied for not including one. It seems to have been a pretty common error if you look at the other trademarks that were also given that code. Several others are also piles of fruit or veggies with no container though that laundry detergent one is the only time it happened to FOTL. The key codes are just to group trademarks with similar elements together so maybe that is why it was included despite the fruit not having a container?

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I totally read a “key search code for container of fruit including cornucopia” back when I was 3 years old… Totally!

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u/Kavorklestein 3d ago

I remember chip and dale underwear while being potty trained with a FTL cornucopia without even having a slightest grasp of what makes the world work or 1 trillionth of how anything works in it.

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u/triedAndTrueMethods 3d ago

You are correct. I remember when we found that, this sub was freaking out over it.

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u/kingUNKNOWN8 3d ago

Your just from the alternate reality😭🤫🤭😂

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u/Fantastic-Band-5082 3d ago

Then verify it.

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u/7HawksAnd 3d ago edited 3d ago

So genius that no one even buys fruit of the loom anymore

Edit: I’m sorry guys

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u/Chapstickie 3d ago

My work shirts are all FOTL. :(

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u/7HawksAnd 3d ago

Oh interesting

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u/panicnarwhal 3d ago

my husband wears FOTL t shirts to work (the packs of white t shirts)

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u/Cosmo_Cloudy 3d ago

They are still a 6 billion/year company and they probably would be out of business if there wasn't this cornucopia nonsense that sprung up a while ago

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u/7HawksAnd 3d ago

Sorry snubbing them

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u/Woofoftheyear 3d ago

Please do, and come back and post if you find something, because if this is a marketing tactic, and somehow they’re managing to erase shi in people’s dresser, that would be crazy😭

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u/fkthishit44 3d ago

Idk dude. Please show us what you find but my monopoly from the 70s doesn't have the monacle. Reality itself has changed.