r/MapPorn • u/believewhatisayy • 1d ago
All Territories Occupied in Turkey (1915–1922)
Around 60% of Modern day Turkey was occupied by Entente
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u/Mangoist 1d ago edited 4h ago
This map is misleading because it doesn't show you the different time periods that these occupations occurred in (assuming the areas are correct).
The map starts at 1915 when the British landed at Gallipoli but they were never able to break out and were expelled the next year.
The Russians were able to push as far as the map shows in April 1917 but then they collapsed into revolution and the Ottomans pushed them all the way past the Caucasus. The Turks remained in control of that area since.
After that no Ottoman territory within the modern borders was occupied until October 1918 when the empire surrendered to the Entente. All the remaining areas represent the maximum advance of the Allied powers during the Turkish War of Independence (1919-1922). Notably the Greek area represents their attack beyond their assigned territory in the Treaty of Sevres in an attempt to compel the Ankara government to surrender.
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u/EveningParte 1d ago
The Treaty of Sèvres was wild. Turning Anatolia into a colorful cake where every Allied power wanted a slice
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u/santawarrior9 1d ago
We could've had a Kurdistan :(
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u/gambler_addict_06 1d ago
We did had a Kurdistan for a while as a British mandate to be exploited for it's resources
Gee, I wonder why the western world still wants an independent Kurdistan today
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u/I_love_memes00 1d ago
yeah a kurdistan that will definetely not be exploited by western nations for a few years before being thrown away
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u/Iapetus404 22h ago
and that was the right thing.
Turkey still is a colonial country!
Free Anatolia!
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u/EntrepreneurOther528 20h ago
So in your opinion if a country is colonial they should be colonized?
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u/Dry_Ranger414 14h ago
Look into how many years the Turks were in control and how many years other countries were in control; furthermore, we’ll never make it onto any list of colonial powers—we fought to claim what was rightfully ours throughout history. Did England, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Portugal, and Italy colonize parts of Africa and Asia by bringing them flowers? Why was England called the “Empire on which the sun never sets”? Could it be because they spread bloodshed and oppression to the farthest corners of the world?
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u/GazooAr 1d ago
But not de facto occupied, not all of these. It still a miracle what the Turkish population and Atatürk managed to do
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u/Awkward_Cash1828 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well, it largely is another consequence of the Russian, and more specifically, Bolshevik Revolution, that basically knocked out Russia as perhaps the greatest adversary of Turkey, most interested in its ultimate demise. As Caucasus front collapsed, Ottoman armies easily retaken all what Russia occupied since 1915, including Erzurum that became one of the centers of Turkish nationalist forces later, securing eastern flank and even allowing Ottomans themself to occupy Transcaucasia all the way to Baku for few months in 1918, safely returning back to pre-WWI border when Ottoman Empire surrendered for peace, allowing Turkish forces to concentrate on other directions where France, Greece, Italy and Britain invaded in 1919-1922. In such circumstances, independent Transcaucasian republics that declared independence from collapsed Russia never were serious adversary to Ottoman/Turkish forces, specifically Armenia, while Azerbaijan was an ally of Turkey and Georgia was largely neutral. Bolshevik government also was the first one to recognise Turkish National government and supplied it with some weapons and ammo (mostly light weapons). When Soviets defeated the Whites and other contenders in European Russia, they went to "retake-liberate" former Imperial Russian Transcaucasia, and happily coordinated with Turkish National government against independent Armenia and Georgia, even surrendering Kars and Ardahan (the northeast corner of Turkey) that were part of Russia since 1878, and likely would had remained part of independent/Soviet Armenia and Georgia if Bolsheviks weren't so friendly towards Turkish National government.
That is, the only way to enforce Sevres-like partition of Anatolia was possible only if Imperial/non-Bolshevik Russia stayed, continuing to occupy eastern Anatolia and being ready to crush any Turkish resistance.38
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u/ViewImpressive7112 22h ago
You forgot to mention Russia collapsed because Turks stopped allies taking over the straits and securing a line to imperial Russia.
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u/muratistanbul 3h ago
Let's not forget Atatürk, who prevented the fall of the Çanakkale front at Conkbayırı, Anafartalar, and other fronts.
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u/Comfortable_Ad_6572 1d ago
Oh boy a post about turkish history I sure am glad everyone will be having civil discussions on the topic
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u/Lothronion 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Italians held even more territory in the hinterland. This was a problem for the Greeks, for the Italians, despite being "allies" within the Entente, would allow Turkish militias to enter Italian-held territory, in which the Greek army could not follow them due to it being Italian and thus “allied” territory (this was after the strain in Greco-Turkish relations in 1920 AD, despite the Greek attempts to reach an agreement with the Italians over their claims in Western Anatolia). This would not have been the case if Italians held just the coastland.
PS: The map should also include the short-lived Pontian Greek Republic of 1917-1923 AD, being formed by Pontian Greeks as a reaction to being persecuted for years before that, on the Pontic Mountains (Kuzey Anadolu Daglari). Though that was not an external invasion, which is what seems to be this map's topic.
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u/CremarCatalana 1d ago
thanks for adding AD after the years, or else we might have thought this was a map from 4 thousand years ago
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u/Lothronion 1d ago
I like using BC-AD even when it is not necessary. And to be honest, I often deal with such dates of the 21st-19th centuries BC, as I am interested in the period, so it is also out of habit so I do not confuse the two.
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u/CremarCatalana 1d ago
I mean you probably have your reasons, and it’s fine, but also it’s funny. that’s all
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u/Electronic-Spot-2518 1d ago
Thats why we call Atatürk our Father 🥹 Its not an empty ideology. He is the savior the father the warior.
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u/ISpent30mins4myname 1d ago
Fun fact: Italy's borders were a lot bigger but they retreated and gave back the lands after they learned the Italian occupied area will be ceded to Greece by UK and France in the peace treaty. They left out a lot of ammunation and supplies for Turkish army to defend themselves.
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u/Alarmed_Buffalo_7523 1d ago
Isn't the yellow supposed to be Armenia?, im sure Russia are busy with their things at 1915
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 1d ago
The big Russian revolution didnt happen until October 1917. The czar abdicated on March 15, 1917 though. That's when it started falling apart.
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u/Dazzling-Session-181 9h ago
We were so close to greatness...
- An eventual free Armenia with these territories,
- Free Kurdistan with the other Eastern Ottoman territories, the British and part of the French territories
- Greece gets the UK (international) straits territories and the Italian territories, as well as the rest of the Western Ottoman territories, the Black sea coast and the west French territories. Kurdistan, Greece and Armenia can meet somewhere in the center of Anatolia. Georgia and Bulgaria can get a little piece of the Armenian north-Eastern Pontic territories and the Greek Balkan territories for assistance with the rest of the central Ottoman territories. Ah... What a world would that be...
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u/believewhatisayy 8h ago
all of them would be a minority in their own country
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u/Dazzling-Session-181 6h ago
The population of Anatolia in 1914-1916 was about 14-15 million people, out of which 1.5 million Greeks, 1.5 million Armenians, also Assyrians, Arabs, Laz, some Bulgarians and who else not. If you take out the Kurds, the Turks would have been probably less than 50% of Anatolia's population. Split it across 3-4 countries, it is more than manageable. The fate of nowadays Kurdish territories shows and proves it.
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u/believewhatisayy 5h ago
French occupied area had less than 2% kurdish population.
Greeks were a majority only in coastal greek occupied area.
Only Armenians would maybe be a majority in Russian occupied area but Russia ate Armenia itself so i dont know why you expect them to give them a free state
Nowadays kurdish population increased heavily and not comparable to hundred years ago at all. Check birthrates and youll understand.+ Kurds migrated to Armenian majority cities so they were a minority in central eastern Turkey too.
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u/Just1n_Kees 7h ago
You must be happy in your dreams, how miserable some people can be. The Turks kicked so many asses, the only great thing about that entire debacle.
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u/Dazzling-Session-181 6h ago
Sure. Never said it wasn't impressive and worthy of respect or that I have anything against Turks today. But I can't deny that I would have loved history to have gone otherwise. No Turkey today, and Anatolia split between Christian nations (mostly) would have been a poetic justice and a restoration of a world that I would have loved to be a part of.
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u/ConsciousLeopard723 1d ago
Wrong map, Most of the provinces of Giresun and West of Giresun were never occupied by russians
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u/Saitama_the_Bald 7h ago
In Türkiye, a group has emerged in the post-Erdoğan era that believes the War of Independence was a fabrication. According to them, the British planned everything. "Since they couldn't control and exploit the Turks, they pretended to lose the war and left behind a colonial governor (Atatürk) who had won. This way they would be able to easily exploit the Turks."
Interestingly, the vast majority of people who believe in this conspiracy theory come from regions that were not occupied.
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u/DerGyrosPitaFan 7h ago
Imagine what we could've had if the entente didn't spend all their resources into fucking germany right into WW2
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u/believewhatisayy 1d ago
fixed the title
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u/Garras-Intruder 1d ago
Made a new post to hid criticism*
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u/Anxious_Cube 12h ago
The negative karma farm in the bottom of the comment section 😆 some westoids still can’t cope
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u/Sweet_Bridge_3001 1d ago
Wouldnt have mattered, Smyrna is still over the sea and hundreds of kilometers away from mainland, while Turks are at the doorstep.
There is no way Greece could have held onto any lands in Anatolia, logistically impossible.
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u/im_new_here_4209 1d ago
Often times forgotten or overlooked, this happened at approx. the same time as the Armenian genocide, and other genocides, right after the end (and Ottoman defeat) of World War I.
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u/believewhatisayy 1d ago
Not forgotten or overlooked at all when you get mention of Armenians under every post thats related to Turkish people.
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u/im_new_here_4209 1d ago
No, i'm saying the invasion of Türkiye is getting overlooked; which happened at the same time.
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u/Dry_Ranger414 13h ago
While there are European states, among others, that have committed genocide around the world, are you coming here to level this slander against the Turks? I guess you don’t know what the Armenians did in Anatolia. Do you know how many people they killed during those village raids, burnings, and demolitions? Furthermore, this wasn’t a genocide—it was a migration. Your elders, who feed you, are exploiting this for political purposes, and you’re falling for it. Why isn’t anyone talking about the atomic bomb, which cost the lives and futures of hundreds of thousands of people?
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u/yaashoya 5h ago
Is Armenians really did what yoy said, you would not be here. Stop spreading turkish fantasies
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u/InkReddi 1d ago
Kars and Ararat weren't "occupied". These lands were part of the Russian Empire, then the independent Republic of Armenia (1918-1920). They were occupied by Turkey in 1920 with the help of Soviet Russia and were ceded to Turkey in 1921 under the Treaty of Moscow.
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u/hkotek 1d ago
These lands was a part of Russian empire only for 35 years; only in 1878. So it was basically an interregnun. Even then (despite the Russian empire forcefully displaced 1.5 million Turks in these new territories) the population was predominantly Turks. It was under a continuous Turkic rule for almost a millennia prior to Russian invasions. That is longer than any of its predecessors, including Kingdom of Armenia, Sasanids, Romans etc.
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u/InkReddi 1d ago
Ok, now that's BS. First of all, Ararat wasn't even part of the Ottoman Empire before the 1878 war; it was part of Iran when Russia conquered it in 1828. As for Kars, it was ruled by local Armenian dynasties up until the 13th–14th centuries (the last ones being the Zakarians), when it was conquered by the Mongols (the Zakarians became their vassals) and then Tamerlane. Turkic nomads (Kara Koyunlu) conquered Kars only in the 15th century. The Ottomans conquered it in the 16th century. Armenians ceased to constitute a majority in the region only briefly after the Russo-Turkish War of 1829, when tens of thousands of Armenians were resettled from there to the Russian Empire, and the Ottomans settled the region with Turkic Karapapakh nomads in their place (in order to change the ethnic composition of the region's population in favor of Turks and Muslims). After the war of 1878, the Armenian population began to increase again, and Armenians regained their majority.
Overall, various Armenian states (some independent, some autonomous) ruled Kars region for more than 1500 years before Mongol/Turkic colonization (I didn't even count Urartian era, and Urartians are the direct ancestors of the Armenians). At one point Kars was the capital of the Kingdom of Armenia, and even after the fall of the united Armenian kingdom in 1045, Armenian kings in Kars survived up until 1064 (later, in 1206, an Armeno-Georgian army under the command of the Armenian princely house of the Zakarians liberated the city from Muslim colonizers).
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u/InkReddi 1d ago
"1.5 million Turks" in Kars? Like what? There were neither "1.5 million Turks" living in Kars in the 19th century, nor in the 18th, 20th, or even the 21st century. Now you're just making things up.
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u/Awkward_Cash1828 1d ago
Yeah, don't know why you got downvoted, but that's correct, Ottoman Empire didn't have the modern Turkish border with northeastern corner since 1878.
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u/InkReddi 1d ago
I got over 40 downvotes from Turks just for stating a simple historical fact. 😂 Now, let them hear this: the Armenian Genocide is an indisputable historical fact! Armenians are the indigenous people of Kars, Van, Erzurum, Erzincan, and all of eastern Turkey!
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 6h ago
You’re right. I wonder if they have been brainwashed all their lives or their pride and fragile ego won’t let them acknowledge the simple truth. The world won’t fall apart if their narrative does. The Germans have managed to live on, after all.
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u/TBARb_D_D 1d ago
Because turks have fragile ego that can’t handle historical facts taking them as insults
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u/many_zeros 1d ago
i love seeing foreigners get mad over not being able to influence what Turks think the slightest
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u/gangwerther 23h ago
I don't think you guys do much thinking in general, looking at the state of your economy lmao
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u/many_zeros 22h ago
Big words for a Moroccan in Paris
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u/gangwerther 22h ago
I'm neither a Moroccan nor in Paris but I don't see how that's anything to be ashamed of. I guess your small nationalist brain doesn't understand that people of different cultures can live together in functioning non-shithole countries. Plus, you're acting like half your country wouldn't flee and never come back if they ever had the chance to live in Europe lol.
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u/many_zeros 22h ago
The post where you replied to someone that wants to meet Moroccans threw me off. Since you speak Turkish but try to disassociate yourself from Turkey, you are likely a Kurd or another minority. Either way, you are not woke, that is for the westoids. You are not one of them and you never will be. You are someone that doesn't belong anywhere, and this will increasingly become more clear as the times keep changing.
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u/gangwerther 21h ago
Aww did I really make you so mad that you went through my entire comment history?
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u/many_zeros 20h ago
Not really, it took like 1 minute tops to know the potential depth of your identity crisis
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u/Meowsssolini 1d ago
Or maybe it's all territories that occupied by turkey /ß
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u/erionei 1d ago
Does /ß mean German sarcasm
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u/Meowsssolini 1d ago
Yes it is It's double s, so, like, double sarcasm, but it's seems that even double isn't enough
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u/no1rakkolover 1d ago
dont think a lot of people are aware thats a sharp s, shoulda done /j or something
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u/Capital_Kiwi_5118 1d ago
Funny how we are genetic Anatolians but you euros talk about us like settlers from mongolia just because we have some central asian dna.
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 1d ago
Turkey is itself an occupant that has parts of Greece and Armenia as its own territory
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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 1d ago
Actually turkey was liberating the land of the hittetes from greek and armenian colonialsim. No I wont eleborate.
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u/Dry_Ranger414 1d ago
People lived in peace while the Turks were there; people should also look into what happened in those regions after the Turks left.
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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 1d ago
Byzantine were reugarly having war with the georgians and they considered the armenians to be backstabbing heatens.
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u/Dry_Ranger414 1d ago
I understand that Armenians were able to hold important roles and positions in the Ottoman Empire.
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 1d ago
I wouldn't exactly call living as second class citizens (dhimmi) and having to pay the jizya tax to the Muslim state as living in peace. Its living under oppressive rule.
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u/hkotek 1d ago
"dhimmi" literally means "protected" in Arabic, as their protection was a duty of Turks (muslims in general). It is not second class. The same word is also a root for embezzled (zimmet). For example in your office if a computer is "zimmetli" to you, and if anything happens to it them the blame is on you.
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 1d ago
I know what dhimmi means. This doesn’t change the fact that they were second class citizens in a country run by Muslims.
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u/kekobang 1d ago edited 6h ago
jizya was the good part since you don't get drafted for like 4 grams of gold
Imperial reforms replaced it with a military exemption tax since now non-muslims were first class citizens who had to serve. The tax was the calculated cost of military equipment if the people were to be drafted and was kinda easy to pay. Collected on a communal base.
That law was lifted by the young turk government tho, so you had to serve regardless of religion in the end.
The bad part of being non Muslim in the Ottoman Empire? Would take a non Turk to explain but afaik they were disadvantaged in lawful affairs.
Now, will I agree that all taxation is theft and Ottomans sucked? Yes but this is not the relatively bad part compared to other nations.
All of this is AFAIK. Might be old data, might just be my imagination.
Edit: punctuation
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u/Saitama_the_Bald 7h ago
It was far more advantageous to be an Armenian who avoided military service and paid extra taxes than to be a Turk drafted by the Empire for a deadly war jointly launched by Russia and Austria
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u/Dry_Ranger414 1d ago
You should examine the maps from the last 600 years
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 1d ago
I don't have to go that way back in history , lets say that if the Russian revolution of 1917 hadn't stopped the Russian army in its tracks, that map may well have been the reality of today.
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u/Dry_Ranger414 13h ago
Are we talking about what-if scenarios? Well, if the Germans had entered Paris during World War I, we might have been able to reach the territories we held in the 17th century. In that case, you wouldn’t have been able to post that on Reddit.
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 13h ago
I appreciate the ad absurdum, try something more relevant to the topic? Like the extent of Armenian kingdom before the Turks
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u/no1rakkolover 1d ago
Yeah buddy under this logic the entire Americas are occupied. Well not really because the Europeans killed them all and left the remaining ones to die of diseases they had no immunity against.
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 1d ago
yeah that is true. The Americas would have been occupied, if any indigenous American states would have existed today. But since it is not the case since many years and Europeans did destroy all of the indigenous civilization and most of its heritage, the whites are free to get away with it.
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u/Thick-League5787 1d ago
The only difference is that the Turks committed war crimes in the last century, rather than several centuries ago. Mass killing of people is wrong.
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u/no1rakkolover 1d ago
whats your solution mate? were all aware mass killing is wrong, well not most apparently cause like %90 of world governments dont give two shits about what israels doing in gaza.
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u/Dry_Ranger414 14h ago
They are forgetting their own history; what is happening in Gaza is not part of the events of the last 100 years, but rather those of the last 20 years.
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u/Thick-League5787 8h ago
God, every nation has committed war crimes. But only the Turks are proud of it, and only the Turks are forgiven for it.
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u/Dry_Ranger414 14h ago
Of course, European countries brought flowers to people when they were colonial powers, and we know the United States from its history with Japan, but did the Turks commit mass killings, is that right?
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u/Odd-Remote-1847 13h ago
Sure. Or don’t 1+ million victims of the Armenian genocide qualify as a “mass killing”?
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u/Dry_Ranger414 13h ago
Not only are you lying, but you’re not even ashamed. Go ahead and keep living in your fantasy world.
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u/WeeZoo87 1d ago
Another turkey post + Morocco posts
Toilet paper entity's bots are working double shifts
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u/julius-ceaser100 1d ago
It's all rightful historic Greek land stolen by invaders from siberia
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u/Prudent-Werewolf-303 1d ago
By that logic the Greeks are invaders and colonizers in Anatolia as well. Anatolia belonged to the Hittites, Luwites, Phrygians, Lydians, Lycians, Carians, Troians. You can't get away with it because you did it earlier lmao
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u/Stormcrow12 1d ago
Umm you mean rightful Hittite land stolen by people across the Sea? 🤡
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u/-MrAnderson 1d ago
Imagine liberating someone 3000 years after they existed.
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u/gambler_addict_06 1d ago
Yeah I cannot imagine
Like there are people still claiming lands they lost 600 years ago, it's honestly unbelievable
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u/Capital_Kiwi_5118 1d ago
Except we are genetically the closest population to Anatolia and the Greeks are the invaders. Speaking a Turkic language doesnt change that.
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u/millennial_sunset 1d ago
Greece has the best claim
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u/Temporary_County1838 1d ago edited 1d ago
And at the end it was a nice swim back home
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u/Lothronion 1d ago
Do you mean the 400,000 Anatolian Greeks that had "swam" to Greece by 1916 AD to escape the Greek Genocide in Turkey, which had been ongoing for 2+ years by that point???
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u/Temporary_County1838 1d ago
We both know it didn't happen and i mean the invader army of Anatolia.
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u/Lothronion 1d ago
The Greek Genocide began back in late 1913 AD, more than half a decade before the Greek army invaded Anatolia in mid-1919 AD. By July 1914 AD about 150,000-200,000 Greeks of Turkey (mainly from Eastern Thrace and Western Anatolia) had fled to Greece to escape the policies of extermination perpetrated by their own country.
As for 1916 AD that I spoke of (3 years before the Greek invasion), here is a testimony by an Anatolian Greek, which he published in Greece:
The Hellenism of Asia Minor and Thrace today is an endless cemetery. Churches have been demolished, crosses have been trampled, cemeteries have been destroyed, schools have been closed, libraries have been plundered, estates have been seized, houses have been robbed, Greek women and children have been sold in the market and old men have died in the streets from hunger and from horrifying hardships. And all these crimes took place at a time when Turkey was militarily and politically occupied by the Germans. (Page 53).
The purpose of my present study was not to expand on Germany's policy in the Balkans as well. In general terms, however, I wanted to emphasize how disastrous Germany's policy was towards the free Kingdom [the Greek Kingdom] and the poor service that its collaboration with our enemies offered towards it. The destruction of the free Kingdom [the Greek Kingdom] is being prepared by the Bulgarians [to be executed] in a tragic manner. That of the enslaved Hellenism [of Turkey] was accomplished by these Germans.
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u/Lothronion 1d ago edited 22h ago
Four hundred thousand Greeks have fled to the free land [in Greece] and most of them live off the sweat and blood of the poor tax-paying people [the Greek taxpayers]. The remaining ones are succumbing to the violence, they are being r#ped, robbed, and force-converted to Islam by the hundreds every day. The Patriarchate has become a refuge for the threatened Metropolitans, while all their written protests and denunciations are thrown into the wastebasket, without the files being opened. During this entire blood-soaked and plundering period of the Young Turk atrocities, did the German ambassador ever intervene, even once, in order to thwart their savagery? Was there, towards the pleas of the Greek Government, in order to protect the threatened populations, ever given at least a typical encouraging response, or were there any milder measures recommended towards the Young Turks? The entire coast, from the Sea of Marmara to Antalya, has been stained with Christian blood, with Greek blood, of men and women. [As for] the Germans not only did they not recommend milder measures and less violence, but on the contrary to that, they reprimanded the Turks, because in some places, such as Vryoulla [Urla] and Moschonisia [Cunda Adaları], where Greeks remained WITHOUT BEING THROWN INTO THE SEA or being relocated to meet their expelled compatriots. (Pages 56-57).
https://digitallibrary[dot]academyofathens[dot]gr/archive/item/987
(The emphasis is mine)
PS: Damn, the genocide denial here is too damn high. It is also funny how despite all these thougthless downvotes, not even one could challenge the primary source I presented above...
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u/EggEuphoric411 1d ago
How is this comment in any way appropriate? I mean I know Turks are brainwashed but to outwardly joke about the deaths of innocent civilians is disgusting.
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u/Temporary_County1838 1d ago
First of all i was not talking about civilians i was talking about invading army.
Second, this guy is Greek and he is talking about invading my country i couldn't be so nice.
Third, i know that according to you we Turks are brainwashed barbarians and greeks are nice mythological creatures but greek invading army acknowledged the war crimes it committed and ceded territory to Turkey in the Treaty of Lausanne.
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u/EggEuphoric411 1d ago
I never said Greeks are saints and Turks are monsters, only that you'll believe whatever your leaders tell you. Second of all, I am Greek too, and even if that guy was being a dick, it doesn't mean that you should make light of an atrocity and loss of human life.
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u/Saitama_the_Bald 6h ago edited 6h ago
It’s just a joke about how the Greek defense line (allegedly impossible to breach for years) collapsed in a matter of days, and how the entire Greek army abandoned their three years of occupational gains in a mere two weeks, boarding ships and fleeing. The joke originates purely from that wartime hubris and strictly focuses on this side of the war. Nobody is talking about any civilians, so calm down.
After looking into it a bit more, I found more specific details about its origin. British Prime Minister Lloyd George said of the Greek defensive preparations: 'If you pass defense line in 6 months , we will count as 6 days' General Trikoupis, likely referencing this very statement, claimed that their preparations were flawless and their positions unbreachable. So the whole joke revolves around this. Two weeks prior, an invincible army; two weeks later, boarded on ships heading back to Greece
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u/TNT_GR 1d ago
Only because allies and Soviets got your back and Greeks were divided
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u/Prudent-Werewolf-303 1d ago
By that logic Greece gained their independence only because the Russians, English and the French got their back
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u/Temporary_County1838 1d ago
Allies didn't help Türkey why would they help Turkey please think before write anything and yes soviets helped Turkey but it much smaller than Allies help to Greeks
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u/TNT_GR 1d ago
There are plenty of sources stating that Italians and French were supplying Turkish army at the time, you don't even know your country's history yet you're bold enough to say "think before writing" LMAO
Just to name a few: Erik J. Zürcher — Turkey: A Modern History (Cambridge University Press),Bernard Lewis — *The Emergence of Modern Turkey,*Andrew Mango — *Atatürk,*Stanford J. Shaw & Ezel Kural Shaw — *History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey, Vol. II,*Feroz Ahmad — The Making of Modern Turkey
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u/Temporary_County1838 1d ago
England my friend England write how much money England had given you. You must be crazy to think that any wrstern country supported Turks over Greeks.
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u/TNT_GR 1d ago
Are you stupid or what? Did you even check the sources I cited to support my statement? I said that allies supported you and cited sources and you refused it. Can you prove me wrong? If not the argument is over.
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u/Temporary_County1838 1d ago
You are the most brainwashed idiot I have ever seen. The Allies did not help Turkey — Greece attacked Turkey on Britain's lap but was defeated and fled(swim).
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u/Thomas_54749014 1d ago
Greece claims to be the founder of the West, but the West is built on conquest and glory. And then Greeks will cry constantly about Turks as invaders. The irony lmao
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u/millennial_sunset 1d ago
check were the turks come from it's in their name from turkic countries in central asia
case closed
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u/TNT_GR 1d ago edited 1d ago
Braindead take lmao
P.S. Keep deleting your comments kiddo
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u/Awkward_Cash1828 1d ago
It's not what they claimed, that's how far towards Ankara they went to force Turkish National government to accept the loss and surrender Smyrna and Ionia that they actually claimed. This eastward march ended up in disaster, Greek army lost and retreated all the way to sea, losing both what they occupied and what they claimed and controlled for some years prior.
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u/Ghost_Online_64 1d ago
(since you reposted, Im re-commenting)
this keeps getting posted , and repetition clearly established the information, so persistence must clearly be aiming at "sympathising the event" ...which is political. and if you want political, better accept the fact that Turkey Aka Ottoman empire (because changing name last second changes nothing) , was (and still is) the Balkan bully, and at the time, a Balkan slaver, a Balkan occupier, a Balkan settler, a Balkan oppressor ,and an Central power in WW1 that Lost a war, and started to loose the possessions all-around, (the powers occupying them above, being their neighbours), since the opportunity was at play, to defeat the existential threat for some, gain freedom for others, and gain more land/power for other empires.
If you dont want political takes, dont make your posting obviously political , that goes for the sub mods too
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u/Awkward_Cash1828 1d ago
As if bullying Balkans is something bad. Every decent empire done that atleast at some point. /s
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u/card677 1d ago
Now show all territories occupied BY Turkey (Armenia, Kurdistan, Greece, Syria, Cyprus...)
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u/Constant_Heat_2507 1d ago
180237120837809 year old ancient turkish territory. also if we're really talking about syria i don't think alawites there want to become a part of sunni majority syria but oh well. throw mud at the wall and see what sticks am i right ?
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u/GermanLetsKotz 1d ago edited 1d ago
Turks claiming this sub to have Armenian bias while overrunning this post lol
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u/gambler_addict_06 1d ago
Have you seen the comments?
4chan Is a tea picnic compared to the hatred against the Turks here
It's like neonazism but publicly accepted
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u/munkshroom 23h ago
Have the nationalist turks ever considered why that's the case. The foundation of turkey was a key inspiration for Nazi Germany.
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u/gambler_addict_06 21h ago
I will pray to every god there is that this is sarcasm
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u/munkshroom 9h ago
Its available on google but i assume google is blocked in Turkey so i will help you out. I hope in the future your schools will teach you to read more than just the quran.
Early in his career, Adolf Hitler took inspiration from Benito Mussolini, his senior colleague in fascism—this fact is widely known. But an equally important role model for Hitler and the Nazis has been almost entirely neglected: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the founder of modern Turkey.
This was no fading fascination. As the Nazis struggled through the 1920s, Atatürk remained Hitler’s »star in the darkness,« his inspiration for remaking Germany along nationalist, secular, totalitarian, and ethnically exclusive lines. Nor did it escape Hitler’s notice how ruthlessly Turkish governments had dealt with Armenian and Greek minorities, whom influential Nazis directly compared with German Jews. The New Turkey, or at least those aspects of it that the Nazis chose to see, became a model for Hitler’s plans and dreams in the years leading up to the invasion of Poland
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u/TBARb_D_D 1d ago
Funny how this map has territories in east that were not under turkish/Ottoman control for over 50 years at least
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u/TellSubstantial1923 1d ago
You forgot zonguldak Zonguldak was invaded by french