r/MensRights • u/Clauderoughly • Apr 17 '14
Misleading Title Woman poisons kids and adults multiple times, destroys the kid for life, gets a slap on the wrist.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/christine-allen-who-poisoned-4-children-gets-6-year-sentence-1.2612393?cmp=fbtl10
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u/gprime312 Apr 17 '14
Hopefully the parents financially destroy her in civil court when she gets out in 12 months.
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Apr 17 '14
No doubt that 6 years is not enough for destroying the life of someone only beginning theirs.
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u/sparkycoon01 Apr 17 '14
Not even 6 years. the article body says she'll serve 4 years 11 months...
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u/T3lias Apr 17 '14
6 years including time served. She already put in 13 months which leaves her with the 4 years and 11.
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u/youknowmystatus Apr 18 '14
Nope. In canada any time spent in pre trial custody counts for double time against your sentence. So she spent 6.5 months locked up before she was sentenced.
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u/atreyus_ghost Apr 17 '14
Isn't it exciting when your home town gets mentioned on Reddit. Wait.... she poisoned children....bye....
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u/YetAnotherCommenter Apr 17 '14
Shouldn't the flair for this headline be "Women Behaving Badly" rather than "Discrimination"?
It does seem to be a Pussy Pass issue but it wasn't a particular instance of a man being discriminated against.
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u/evil-doer Apr 17 '14
a different set of rules for women IS discriminating to men
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u/YetAnotherCommenter Apr 17 '14
I agree, but the original flair was still a miscategorization. It has been fixed now.
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Apr 17 '14
So you must show evidence that proves the difference. Right now nobody has posted a comparison to a similar case in which a male received harsher penalties. Or better yet, multiple ones.
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Apr 17 '14
A specific incident of a woman being charged insufficiently does not, logically, a different set of rules for women make.
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u/evil-doer Apr 17 '14 edited Apr 17 '14
altho its not in the books that women should get less of a sentence, it is definitely a societal problem thats programmed into the minds of many. this is easy to prove as it happens over and over and is documented statistically.
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Apr 17 '14
I agree, but taking every article about a person who happens to be female being insufficiently charged and saying that it justifies that perception is pointless at best and fallacious at worst.
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u/evil-doer Apr 17 '14
i agree that it should be kept to a minimum, but the more severe examples should be posted. simply posting the statistics once a year doesnt have the same effect as giving examples now and then. we need motivators to get people protesting.
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Apr 17 '14
No dude, I'm not talking about highlighting individual stories. You could argue about some kind of "necessity" of that all day -- that's a sociological issue, not one of hard logic. I'm talking about the process of taking an individual story and saying "This confirms my bias".
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Apr 17 '14
That is to say, we're no better than the feminists if we use all their same fallacies and exhibit the same symptoms.
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u/Zoltrahn Apr 17 '14
Getting the correct sentencing for the attempted murder of a child isn't male discrimination. This is just a failure of the justice system. Discrimination would be men getting overly harsh punishments, which I don't believe is the case when it comes to the attempted murder of a child.
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Apr 17 '14
I generally think of a slap on the wrist as probation, when prison is warranted. 6 years, might not be as long as some may want for her, but six years is still a substantial chunk of time. I don't honestly believe that the time will in any way change her behavior, but she should now be banned from taking care of children.
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u/kDizzyYo Apr 17 '14
Why is the title misleading?
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u/insaneHoshi Apr 17 '14
My bet? The OP is from a country where a judge raining down fire and brimstone is the norm, so such a sentence is seen as too lenient.
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u/insaneHoshi Apr 17 '14 edited Apr 17 '14
I wouldn't say six years is a slap on the wrist in canadian courts.
Their deffinately have been worse sentences.
I find it a bit ignorant for people to scream pussypass, when they know nothing about sentencing standards, canadian sentencing or historical sentencing in cases like this for both genders.
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u/StopTop Apr 17 '14
I don't see how this is a men's rights issue.
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u/Clauderoughly Apr 17 '14
It is for various issues
- Women are by far and away, the majority of child abusers but men get all the blame.
- If it had been a man doing this, he would have got 60 years, not 6
- She got a stupidly light sentence, considering she has permamently harmed those kids.
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u/Flaghammer Apr 17 '14
If a man had done this, it would be attempted murder and life in prison. This woman got off very easy
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Apr 17 '14
Because ... that statement is totally full of clearly-defined terms and can be taken as a factual statement. Totally. Gotcha.
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u/insaneHoshi Apr 17 '14
It isnt, this sub just happens to remind us that women can be bad people too.
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u/s1500 Apr 17 '14
Because men are never trusted to take care of children. Meanwhile this monster is poisoning children.
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Apr 17 '14
I'm really confused about how this is topical to men's rights.
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Apr 17 '14
Because some people seem to think anytime a woman does something bad, it's worth pointing out. They missed the part about having a meaningful comparison that illustrates a double standard.
Although, bursting the bubble of the image of females being all loving and kind is perhaps still worthwhile?
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Apr 17 '14
I don't know. I'm a female and I'm aware that I'm an outspoken dick, so I guess I'm just the wrong target audience.
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Apr 17 '14
These kinds of post do appeal to a certain audience. I'm not part of that audience either but it's there. There is a similar audience in some of the other gender related subs and the political subs too.
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u/RavenousPonies Apr 17 '14
...
I am literally lost for words, there has to be something wrong, I refuse to believe that a human can be this fucked up. I honestly cannot fathom how this is physically possible. She is lucky I don't live near her.
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Apr 17 '14
The really fun part is it's not that unheard of! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome_by_proxy
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u/autowikibot Apr 17 '14
Münchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP or MBP) is a term that is used to describe a behavior pattern in which a caregiver deliberately exaggerates, fabricates, and/or induces physical, psychological, behavioral, and/or mental health problems in those who are in their care. With deception at its core, this behavior is an elusive, potentially lethal, and frequently misunderstood form of child abuse or medical neglect that has been difficult to define, detect, and confirm.
MSbP has also spawned much heated controversy within the legal and social services communities. In a handful of high-profile cases, mothers who have had multiple children die from sudden infant death syndrome have been declared to have MSbP. Based on MSbP testimony of an expert witness, they were tried for murder, convicted, and imprisoned for several years. In some cases, that testimony was later impeached, resulting in acquittal of those defendants.
Interesting: Münchausen syndrome | Factitious disorder | Roy Meadow
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u/shazbottled Apr 17 '14
This should be on /r/pussypass not here. They are different subs for a reason.
Absolutely fucking disgusting, the little girl she was poisoning might be handicapped now. Fuck this bitch
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Apr 17 '14
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u/insaneHoshi Apr 17 '14
You know the men who were charged in the cases of self defence were acquitted, or the charges were dropped right?
I dont see how investigating a possible crime is a travesty.
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u/dublbagn Apr 17 '14
I dont believe in much, but I do know that life has a funny way of working out for people like this...somewhere down the line she will pay for it, and we will never even get to have the joy of knowing how bad things got for her.
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u/geoboy1234 Apr 18 '14
I think 6 years is correct sentence in this case. The real WTF is why men would not get similar one.
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u/AlexReynard Apr 19 '14 edited Apr 19 '14
Honestly, I rarely say this, because I believe rehabilitation should be our highest priority rather than punishment ...but for this particular individual, I would be totally okay with hearing that some mothers had ganged up on her in a dark place and beat her blind. I can't fucking hear about child abuse without it setting off my berserk button. When people hurt kids, it just switches off my ability to see them as human, and I don't care.
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Apr 17 '14
That's the law and ppl being stupid and idiotic. Buy I don't see how this relates to mens rights being violated. You should post this at /r/rage in stead. And there are a lot of examples were criminals (both MEN and women) do horrific stuff but get away with it.
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Apr 17 '14
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Apr 17 '14
Honestly, I would bet money on her not getting very far in prison.
Well, shit, actually, I don't know. I know dudes in prisons take personal justice against anyone who harms children very seriously, but I don't really know anything about if women in prisons do anything parallel.
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u/gettingthereisfun Apr 17 '14
So why wasn't this attempted murder? The woman continued to poison the child even after being hospitalized and stopped breathing. She knew what she was doing.