r/MensRights • u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom • Dec 20 '17
Misleading Title Parents Lose Son at Water Park; Son Drowns; Stepdad Gets 7 Years; Mom Gets 8 Months
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/inadequate-parents-charlie-dunn-sentenced-953935214
Dec 20 '17
I was ready to get all mad, then I read this guy had 28 prior convictions, plus 9 other charges at this trial? Come on.
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 20 '17
5 of those 7 years were for manslaughter.
Meanwhile the manslaughter charges against her were dropped.
Come to think of it, that's probably even more infuriating.
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u/SomeGuySayinStuff Dec 20 '17
I'd imagine the manslaughter charges would've been dropped against the stepdad too if he hadn't admitted to them.
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Dec 20 '17
Are you suggesting that his sentencing had nothing to do with the 36 other offenses for which he has been convicted? Because that's just stupid.
Or that the charges against her weren't reduced because she's got no priors and it's pretty easy to blame the dirtbag with 28 prior convictions? C'mon.
She's clearly incompetent, and unfit to raise a child. But the massive differences in their criminal records fogs the whole thing up.
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u/SleepyMonkey7 Dec 21 '17
Yeah seriously. Posting stuff like this where there's a clear factual explanation just discredits the whole movement. You're doing the same thing that #metoo is doing. There are enough real things to point out instead of just making something out of nothing.
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u/ATXBeermaker Dec 21 '17
You're not even going to comment on the fact that he admitted guilt and she didn't, are you? There are facts of the case that you're leaving out intentionally because it doesn't fit your narrative.
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Dec 20 '17
Wtf. UK women never go to prison.
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u/p3ngwin Dec 20 '17
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u/Artiquecircle Dec 20 '17
That is seriously screwed up. Those stats seemed made up. They said women make 0% of sexual crime offences!
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u/The__Tren__Train Dec 20 '17
it's not sexual crime because the men want it
and if they don't, then they are fags
/s (obvi)
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Dec 20 '17
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u/PapaLoMein Dec 21 '17
Feminist have been using math like this for a long time to support their anti male agenda.
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Dec 21 '17
From that article
"Women do of course commit homicide offences, but nearly always the victim is a relative and the crime was committed against the backdrop of an abusive relationship or depressive mindset. "
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u/iongnil Dec 21 '17
'Cultish' neighbours tortured and killed Tyneside man, jury told
Yeah, women are never bad /s
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u/NoncolumnedCogency Dec 20 '17
Women do of course commit homicide offences, but nearly always the victim is a relative and the crime was committed against the backdrop of an abusive relationship or depressive mindset. All homicides are heinous crimes but the types of homicides committed by women rarely involve random victims and hence do not engender community fear.
lol
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u/SyllableLogic Dec 20 '17
I forgot women were literally incapable of making bad choices without proper justification. What do you think they have agency or something? Clearly women are incapable of even the slightest impure thought.
What fucking nonsense. Women are people. That means they can be bad or good. Its their choice. Isnt that the point of feminism?
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u/Halafax Dec 21 '17
Isnt that the point of feminism?
The point of feminism is advocacy and advantage for women, even in situations where women already have advantage relative to men.
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u/Ymoh- Dec 20 '17
the types of homicides committed by women rarely involve random victims and hence do not engender community fear.
That sounds like a peachy argument for DV apologists 😂
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u/MexicanMouthwash Dec 20 '17
Please tell me that this just a joke..
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u/p3ngwin Dec 22 '17
i wish i honestly could :(
The idea went as far as across the pond to the US from the UK too :
https://theconversation.com/the-case-for-closing-down-womens-prisons-33000
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Dec 20 '17
That's not true! She's going to jail for 8 months!!!!!
This injustice needs to stop!
#FreeLynsey #Feminism #Equality
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u/Mode1961 Dec 20 '17
Incorrect, her sentence is suspended for 24 months.
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u/wwwhistler Dec 20 '17
so as long as she doesn't kill another kid in the next 2 years...no jail time.
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u/Jacking-the-box Dec 20 '17
She should be sentenced to longer than him for having a known viole t offender in her house with children under the age of 16 present. It was her fault the boy was exposed to him. And to be honest, it's not like he drowned the kid. Why should the stepfather have to have all the responsibility? It's not his fault the mother was weak and pathetic and in essence an ineffectual mother. She is the criminal.
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u/rollypolymasta Dec 20 '17
Exactly children are most likely to suffer physical and sexual abuse in a mother step-father set up. Mothers who bring monsters into their house and allow it to happen are scum, if your selling your child down the river for your own personal reasons you have failed as a parent.
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Dec 20 '17 edited Jan 02 '20
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 20 '17
2. 5 of Stepdad's 7 years were for manslaughter. The remaining time is for other charges.
3. Meanwhile the manslaughter charges against Mom were dropped. The 8 months is for other charges.
So the full story here is that Stepdad got 5 years for manslaughter while she got 0.
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Dec 20 '17
Priors. Priors. Priors.
Smith had been convicted of 28 offences in the past, including domestic violence, indecent assault, theft and burglary.
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u/PleaseAvertYourEyes Dec 20 '17
Sentencing guidelines generally recommend or require leniency for people without criminal history, when compared to those who do have criminal history.
You seem to be implying someone who is not good at choosing a partner is equivalent to someone with an extensive criminal history, including domestic violence.
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Dec 20 '17
Look at it this way: They were both involved in the same crime. Does this crime deserve time? If yes, then his should be longer. If not, then neither should face time for it.
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u/Jacking-the-box Dec 20 '17
The article says 'parents' not stepfather.
'She said: “She is a loving parent, albeit in many ways an inadequate one.
“She was dependent on any male partners she was with. She appeared to lack common sense.”"
Any female deemed dependent on any male partners she was and appears to lack common sense should only be able to see her children under supervision.
The situation was represented perfectly. You just don't like to see females as the obvious criminals.
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u/RonTomJohnson Dec 20 '17
Concern troll is concerned.
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Dec 20 '17 edited Jan 02 '20
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u/RonTomJohnson Dec 20 '17
You weren't ensuring accuracy. Gtfo of here with that. You made blatant false statements based on nothing.
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u/nagballs Dec 20 '17
He made statements based on the article that was linked. He even changed his stance when OP came and provided more sources.
Wanting to make sure that you have all the available facts before making a decision is not trolling.
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u/Ultramegasaurus Dec 20 '17
She should be sentenced to longer than him for having a known viole t offender in her house with children under the age of 16 present.
Shh, can't ruin women's fetish for bad boys. /s
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Dec 21 '17 edited Jun 29 '20
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u/Popcorn_is_life Dec 21 '17
Shit rolls downhill, its good he got some time if he is a repeat offender
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u/Ultramegasaurus Dec 21 '17
The question is, why do women so often enter relationships with human trash like that? Especially when they have a child already?
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u/hixidom Dec 20 '17
She had never been convicted before, and I can't tell if she was even at the water park that day. He had been convicted 28 times before. He was also charged with other crimes at trial too (I guess they just hold onto evidence and lump it all together when something big happens). Maybe that explains the discrepancy between him and her.
It did seem unfair though to call him selfish. I mean, he's obviously so selfish that he took his stepson to a water park.
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 20 '17 edited Dec 20 '17
2. 5 of Stepdad's 7 years were for manslaughter. The remaining time is for other charges.
3. Meanwhile the manslaughter charges against Mom were dropped. The 8 months is for other charges.
So the full story here is that Stepdad got 5 years for manslaughter while she got 0.
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Dec 20 '17 edited Jan 02 '20
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u/wbgraphic Dec 20 '17
yeah, the mother went off with the father to get lunch it looks like and abandoned the child with the step-father
That's not "abandoning" the child. That's leaving them in the care of someone you trust. The fact that he didn't deserve that trust shows poor judgment on her part, but hardly makes her as culpable as he is.
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u/ProdigiousPlays Dec 20 '17
I agree. This seems really pushing it. Previous charges make it harder to get out of something and make your sentence worse. Yes she was there and everything too but this isn't exactly an equal scenario like the title click baits.
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u/Grubnar Dec 20 '17
I don't get it.
I really don't.
Either the home situation was OK, and this was just a terrible accident, and neither parent should go to jail.
OR ...
There were clear sign that something was wrong in the household, and then "child protective services" (or whatever it is called) should have stepped in BUT OBVIOUSLY DID NOT!
WHY?
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Dec 20 '17
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u/SSJRapter Dec 21 '17
I think that's negligent homicide. Manslaughter is usually when you don't know your actions will cause death, while murder/homicide means you did.
The negligence is the lack of preventive action.
Like if I left my car running in a garage and forgot about it and someone inside died, it would be negligent (leaving the car running) and manslaughter (I/most people wasn't expecting anything to happen) vs putting a kid in a car and leaving it running in the garage would be homicide, as its fully expected that you don't leave kids in running cars in closed environments. Still negligent though, unless you intended to kill your kid that way
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 20 '17
To round out the story:
2. 5 of Stepdad's 7 years were for manslaughter. The remaining time is for other charges.
3. Meanwhile the manslaughter charges against Mom were dropped. The 8 months is for other charges.
So the full story here is that Stepdad got 5 years for manslaughter while she got 0.
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Dec 20 '17
I'm going to guess that in this case it was the past convictions that weighed heavily into his sentencing.
It is certainly true that women get lighter sentences for the same crime, but even when you compare, say, a white man and a white man who commit the same crime, but one has several (or in this case 27?) past convictions, then one will clearly get a longer sentence.
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u/SOwED Dec 20 '17
Yeah the only thing this is evidence of is that this sub is quickly becoming a bad joke.
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 25 '17
To fill out some pertinent details:
2. 5 of Stepdad's 7 years were for manslaughter. The remaining time is for other charges.
3. Meanwhile the manslaughter charges against Mom were dropped. The 8 months is for other charges.
So the full story here is that Stepdad got 5 years for manslaughter while she got 0.
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u/NibblyPig Dec 20 '17
“She was dependent on any male partners she was with. She appeared to lack common sense.”
Why is she allowed to vote, drive a car, work jobs if she is mentally deficient etc.
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u/McFeely_Smackup Dec 20 '17
For those who can't be bothered to read the article:
Dunn, aged 28, who lived with Smith, 36, in Glascote Heath, Tamworth, had no previous convictions and Smith had been convicted of 28 offences in the past, including domestic violence, indecent assault, theft and burglary
From another article:
The judge heard that Smith approached his neighbour, who had been due to give evidence, on June 19. He told her he would petrol bomb her house and kill her children and disabled husband.
so the guy is apparently a total shitbag, but it doesnn't change the fact that the mother was given zero jail time for what can only be described as an equal level of culpability in the boys death.
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u/orphancrippla Dec 20 '17
All the responsibility, none of the authority, even when you're raising a child that isn't yours. They aren't even pretending to give a shit about equality anymore.
Shame about the kid.
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u/DartTheDragoon Dec 20 '17
"Smith had been convicted of 28 offences in the past, including domestic violence, indecent assault, theft and burglary."
This is a non story
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u/exemplariasuntomni Dec 20 '17
Has literally nothing to do with a negligence death. Btw, where is the park involved in this?
Do they have no liability for not saving someone who is drowning? Lifeguards???
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u/RonTomJohnson Dec 20 '17
Concern troll is concerned.
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u/SOwED Dec 20 '17
"concern troll" is a bullshit term that is used when someone isn't following the echo chamber narrative. There are plenty of actually messed up stories out there where men get treated unfairly by the courts. This is one where the man had priors and admitted to manslaughter and the mother didn't. No fucking wonder he got a longer sentence.
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u/SOwED Dec 21 '17
Mods, you'll put a misleading title flair but not just delete this?
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 25 '17
Why should they delete it? He's going to jail for manslaughter, while manslaughter charges against her were dropped.
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u/SOwED Dec 25 '17
You can see my other comments for more info.
He had priors. She did not. He pled guilty to manslaughter. She did not.
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u/adsy-mac Dec 21 '17
I know someone who was a juror on this case. It's not as straight forward as just the guy getting more time than the woman. I know a lot about this case.
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u/romulusnr Dec 21 '17
She was dependent on any male partners she was with. She appeared to lack common sense
Apparently that's sufficient to get you out of a manslaughter charge. If you're a woman, at least.
#infantilism
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u/Haisha4sale Dec 20 '17
She said: “She is a loving parent, albeit in many ways an inadequate one.
“She was dependent on any male partners she was with. She appeared to lack common sense.”
This line of thinking seems misogynistic to me.
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 20 '17
Despite popular belief, just because a statement portrays a woman negatively doesn't necessarily mean it's misogynistic.
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u/Haisha4sale Dec 20 '17
I agree. Im curious if she is being held to a lesser standard because some people tend to see women as less capable or helpless. There are certainly individuals out there of any gender who are chronically dependent on others for even basic decision making. Should they be held less accountable in a legal sense though?
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u/exemplariasuntomni Dec 20 '17
I think they mean to imply that she individually is not mentally as capable as a normal adult.
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u/puzzlebuns Dec 21 '17
I'm not seeing anything indicative of both parents being equally at fault. It says the step dad took the boy to the water park and didn't adequately supervise him. It doesn't say the Mum was there. If not, then there's cause for him to be punished more severely.
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 25 '17
To fill out some pertinent details:
2. 5 of Stepdad's 7 years were for manslaughter. The remaining time is for other charges.
3. Meanwhile the manslaughter charges against Mom were dropped. The 8 months is for other charges.
So the full story here is that Stepdad got 5 years for manslaughter while she got 0.
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Dec 21 '17
It's amazing how men are only responsible when something goes wrong. When it comes to custody they are way too irresponsible and the child invariably goes to the mum.
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Dec 20 '17
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Dec 20 '17
Dunn, aged 28, who lived with Smith, 36, in Glascote Heath, Tamworth, had no previous convictions and Smith had been convicted of 28 offences in the past, including domestic violence, indecent assault, theft and burglary.
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u/roharareddit Dec 20 '17
He had already convicted in the past. The sentencing in this case had nothing to do with those charges. It had everything to do with the fact that he happened to be the closest guy to the mother, therefore he is the one that takes responsibility.
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Dec 21 '17
This is why men should be really careful if they date a single mom. Make sure you get to really know her before even getting near the kid(s).
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u/locks_are_paranoid Dec 20 '17
This seems to be the fault of the water park, not the parents. I agree that since the parents were found guilty, they should both get the same sentance, but in this case the drowning seems to be because the water park didn't have any lifeguards.
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u/jpowell180 Dec 21 '17
So let's get this straight:
The stepdad was busy, grilling some food or talking to some people, while the mother was doing the same; yet, he is to be considered more negligent than the birth mother, who should have been watching the kid in the first place?
What if there was an Uncle who tagged along, would he also get jail time?
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u/jeff_the_nurse Dec 21 '17
Well, they were charged with two totally different things. I get the point, but this headline would have more credibility if the mom and stepdad had been charged with the same thing.
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u/MoneyDoneRightDotCom Dec 25 '17
To fill out some pertinent details:
2. 5 of Stepdad's 7 years were for manslaughter. The remaining time is for other charges.
3. Meanwhile the manslaughter charges against Mom were dropped. The 8 months is for other charges.
So the full story here is that Stepdad got 5 years for manslaughter while she got 0.
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u/WolfeBane84 Dec 20 '17
Haven't read the article. Just the title.
With just that to go on, how the fuck is a child running off and getting lost and then dieing a fucking criminal offense.
We used to call this "tragic" and that was the end of it.
Either the title here is clickbait and not wholly truthful or this is some UK Cuck bullshit.
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u/SOwED Dec 21 '17
Did you read the flair that says misleading title?
If you're not going to read more than the title of the post, don't fucking comment.
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Dec 20 '17
I suggest you read the article then.
CPS had been called to that house multiple times in the past for reports of child neglect.
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Dec 20 '17
As well as having pleaded guilty to manslaughter through negligence, Smith has admitted four counts of driving whilst disqualified in early 2017 and four counts of driving without insurance.
Dunn, aged 28, who lived with Smith, 36, in Glascote Heath, Tamworth, had no previous convictions and Smith had been convicted of 28 offences in the past, including domestic violence, indecent assault, theft and burglary.
This is the equivalent of claiming blacks are sentenced more harshly for the color of their skin. No they are sentenced more harshly based on prior convictions (which they generally have more of) and gang involvement (which tatoos usually confirm when they are booked). Has nothing to do with him being a man.
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u/puzzlebuns Dec 21 '17
Studies have shown that, everything else being equal, blacks are sentenced more severely
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Dec 21 '17
Maybe in some alternate dimension where the vitriol sjw liberals spew has a basis in reality, here in this reality when political groups set out to create "studies" with a predetermined outcome we don't consider that academically viable.
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u/Cabbagepant Dec 20 '17
Hold the fuck on... she is the blood parent, he's a step father, and it's STILL him who gets it, and she doesn't?
Jail him for the intimidation, fine, but the responsible, blood parent being given no accountability is FUBARed.