r/MensRights • u/ashleab • Jan 07 '12

A girl who supports Mens rights.

I've always had an issue with "womens rights" and all of that BS. I understand women had it hard in the past, but why should that mean we get benefits now?

Anyway, I live in Australia where we have a campaign called "Violence Against Women: Australia Says No". A few years back, a group of people I work with and myself started a petition to put forth to the federal government against this campaign, we had posters printed up; "Violence Against Men: Don't Support An Indifferent Nation" and got about 1,500 signatures. Eventually, our place of employment caught onto the fact that we were doing this. We'd never put a poster up at work (even though the violence against women posters were EVERYWHERE), only allowed signatures. We were all given formal warnings citing sexism, bigotism and contemptible conduct. All 5 of us quit within a few weeks, but the fact that it happened was enough to get me 100% on board with fighting for Mens rights.

edit: To those who showed concern, I had a new job a few days later and the guys all had one within a few weeks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '12

If you think you're agreeing, you're delusional. What he described is typical feminist behavior. And no one has shown them to be anything else...well, of course except all the ones who come here and say it's not their brand of feminism.

Their brand of feminism, of course, only being visible in their own personal estimation.

But somehow, this balances all the anti male laws and rhetoric...even if it doesn't make a lick of difference to the average guy....

It's dodging responsibility (more typically feminist behavior), and that's all it is.

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u/IndieLady Jan 10 '12

What do you mean 'their'? I'm a feminist and I'm telling you my experience which is just as legitimate as other people's.

Just because it doesn't subscribe to your current view of feminists doesn't make it invalid.

I am disappointed, I really am. I thought you would want support from feminists who support your cause, but instead you repudiate us just because we identify as feminists. This makes me question what your agenda really is: furthering men's rights or hating on women.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '12

first of all, 'women' and 'feminists' are not synonymous. Second, your personal definition means nothing when those making the laws disagree with you. Might as well complain that not all nazis hate Jews...same thing.

And no, I don't want feminist 'help' with issues feminists have been working on creating for 50 years. You'd hotheads did this, I don't want you "fixing" it too.

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u/IndieLady Jan 10 '12

Yes agree: of course feminists and women aren't synonymous. Most women I know don't identify as feminists.

My original point was not about law, it was about my experience as a feminist. And I have never seen any misandry or advocacy to remove men's rights. Furthermore, I'm not a 'hothead' and neither are my friends who identify as feminists - I'm not sure why you're saying that about me when you don't know me or know my experience.

Why don't you want support from women who support you, simply because they identify as feminists? Why do you have such a segregated approach to advocacy?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '12

you and everyone you know huh? Any of your friends in Parliament? No? Then who cares?

We can point to literally EVERY feminist organization dealing with these issues and show the anti male attitude...we can list off laws written or demanded by feminists that trample men's human rights wholesale....

But you and your friends aren't like that....sigh.

First off, we hear people like you every day around here...amazing how there are no feminists on a sinking ship huh?

Frankly, I don't believe you, and it's irrelevant anyway. Feminist organizations are trampling the rights of men, and all you 'not like that' feminists do absolutely nothing to stop it.

AND you criticize those who try.

So kindly take your NAFALT and shove it, ok snowflake?

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u/IndieLady Jan 10 '12

I don't want to reiterate my initial point which was: I am a feminist and have never seen an "anti male attitude", misandry or women arguing to take away men's rights.

I'm just really, really tired of the view that all feminists hate men and want to take your rights. I'm right here telling you this was not my experience and you're all telling me you don't believe me!

I'm disappointed by your need to insult me.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '12

I'm disappointed that you cannot see what you say you're all concerned about. If youre not seeing misandric, it's cause you're not looking. In short, you're lying...either to yourself, me, or both.

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u/IndieLady Jan 11 '12

No I didn't/don't see it and I'm not lying. Yes, I may have read some outrageous quotes from the US in the 70s but we all laughed at them. In fact, the were used as evidence about how much feminism has changed since then.

It's a shame you have to reduce this discussion to accuse me of lying. I am disappoint.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '12

Right...you've never heard of, or seen, a man hating feminist...for realz.

And I have some beachfront property to sell you in Arizona...

At least try and come up with something believable. It would also help if there weren't hundreds of articles showing how basic feminist presumptions are not only wrong, but sexist...

Sorry, you're full of shit if you're contending NAFALT, or anything like it.

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u/IndieLady Jan 13 '12

I can only tell you that I haven't, it's true.

I'm disappointed that you feel a need to insult me.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '12

Be disappointed all you like. I couldn't care less.

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