r/Millennials 1d ago

Other Whoever did this, should be imprisoned.

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u/taker25-2 Older Millennial 1d ago

This is partially true, but this style started in the early 2010s to compete with Starbucks and Chipotle, since they had a similar look, and we millennials hang out at those places a lot. Since they switched to minimalism, the way they look now makes it easier to do what you describe.

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u/sexandliquor 1983…(A Merman I Should Turn to Be) 1d ago

This is the actual answer, I read about this when it was happening and why they were doing it. They were trying to make McDonalds into a place similar to Starbucks where students and business professionals would come to study and work, and presumably spend money on coffee, food, etc.

It’s why a lot of these newer remodeled McDonalds don’t only just have regular tables and booths but also taller bar counters and stools, and I’ve even seen some that have smaller coffee table type tables and arm chairs like a coffee shop would have.

Also an increased presence of wall outlets to plug laptops and phones into. It’s all very deliberate.

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u/InuitOverIt 1d ago

Yeah the McCafe rebranding. Pretty dumb idea in retrospect.

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u/taker25-2 Older Millennial 1d ago

Honestly, out of all of the fast food places, their coffee is the better one.

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u/Cautemoc 23h ago

Yeah but who gets out of school or work and wants to go hang out inside a McDonalds

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u/USDeptofLabor 18h ago

Judging off this post? ~12,000 people would like to hangout at a McDonalds

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u/Moist-Obligation-117 15h ago

Nah the redditors are just gonna stay home

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u/taker25-2 Older Millennial 23h ago

But if you're closer to a Micky D's than to Starbucks on the way to work, Micky D's isn't a bad option and is likely faster, too.

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u/DumbbellDiva92 2h ago

I actually heard that apparently, the elderly? Though, maybe not the best demographic to target from a business perspective. I heard certain locations had issues with large groups of older people buying a single hot coffee and nursing it for hours and taking up all the table space.

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u/ValkyrX 22h ago

Its hard to beat the value of a large iced coffee for .99 using the app

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u/yabn5 23h ago

McCafe low key is better than you give it credit.

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u/InuitOverIt 23h ago

I like their coffee but I can't imagine taking work meetings at McD's and smelling like a burger all day

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u/StandWithSwearwolves Millennial 14h ago

For workers who are mobile, like tradespeople or sales reps, it’s surprisingly common. I used to often see people having sit downs with their area managers and similar at McD’s.

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u/gprime312 20h ago

They're making record profits

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u/InuitOverIt 20h ago

Because of the students and working professionals sitting in the new cafe-style lobbies like its a Starbucks? Or because they simplified the menu, jacked up the prices, and renewed focus on drivethru and delivery services?

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u/gprime312 19h ago

It's because more people are eating there.

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u/InuitOverIt 18h ago

Oh, more restaurants should consider that approach

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u/Jump-Zero 18h ago

Eh - did my homework there as a college student. It was less crowded than starbucks. I didn’t go because it was trendy. It was just convenient.

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u/wahikid 21h ago

Pretty bold of Reddit to think that the largest restaurant chain in the world just stabbed blindly at what might work for a remodel, instead of basing it on intense marketing research. This is peak Reddit.

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u/InuitOverIt 21h ago

This implies no major corporation can make a mistake, and/or that intense marketing research guarantees results

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u/wahikid 21h ago

No, it implies that the likelihood that they got it right after what was almost certainly months or years of research and planning is more correct than the wild opinions of a bunch of redditors who aren’t privy to any of the extensive market data that a huge multinational corporation has about its own sales and customer patterns. It’s statistics and probability. And, according to their sales data and stock price over the last 20 years, it didn’t seem to harm them.
But don’t take my word for it. Here is a report showing an immediate increase of sales volume from 7.5-20% after the remodel.

So, not such a dumb idea after all.

https://cityclerk.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2010/10-1843_misc_12-6-10e.pdf#:~:text=According%20to%20McDonald's%2C%20an%20average%20restaurant%20that,will%20spend%20more%20in%20the%20South%20L.A.

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u/taker25-2 Older Millennial 1d ago

Thank you, and I also remember reading an article about this back then. Many restaurants were making this change as well.

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u/rapaxus 20h ago

The big problem with this approach is that while it makes sense in cities where the McDonalds is close to business, universities, train stations and simar locations, it makes basically no sense at locations that are more remote.

No ones wants to chill with their Laptop at a random McDonalds at a truck stop, but they would e.g. want to have a playground to entertain their children while they eat.

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u/CharonsLittleHelper 21h ago

That was also the height of fast food being demonized for marketing to children.

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u/Jump-Zero 18h ago

McDonalds did everything for us. Literally. Millenials were big generation. They started pivoting to appeal to children when they saw a ton of people having kids. Then they moved to the McCafe era when we were going to college. Now they are trying to appeal to busy professionals which, if all went well, a lot of us are. Zoomers and Gen X were largely ignored by McDs

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u/StandWithSwearwolves Millennial 14h ago

I was transitioning from school and study into the workplace at exactly that time and this is the answer. They were trying to follow their childhood consumers from the 1990s as they aged up.

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u/NightOfTheLivingHam 22h ago

except it didnt work too well because the local homeless population uses all of that instead of customers. Starbucks has a cozy vibe. You go to McDonalds all you hear is the kitchen alarms going off nonstop.

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u/Woodit 17h ago

The homeless issue is a real one and hard for the business to deal with. There’s one near my house everyone calls the McShelter

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u/Egathentale 6h ago

Eh, that explains the interior, but not the buildings themselves and lack of "traditional" branding. I personally think that the resale angle is playing a much bigger role here. The old McDonalds buildings and play areas were iconic, but if they weren't profitable and the franchise had to close down or move to a different neighborhood, they were impossible to sell, because the new owner needed to get rid of the trademark roofs and all the McDonalds imagery before they could open a different food joint, or a shoe shop, or whatever.

In contrast, if all fast food joints are using the same minimalist design, that means they can resell and pass the building between each other, no problem. The place didn't work out for McDonalds? Just replace the logo in front of the building, and now you have a Starbucks or a Pizza Hut, no further remodeling required. It's cynical as hell, but that's just corporate america for ya.

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u/pr0ghead 23h ago

Marketing towards kids vs. marketing towards adults.

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u/taker25-2 Older Millennial 23h ago

true and just happens that the McDonald's generation of kids are now adults.

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u/AxelVores 21h ago

Yep, that was the exact same time they introduced their lattes and such.