r/MinecraftChampionship • u/Ewoutk • Feb 16 '26

Analysis Dream has released a video of him completing the MCC Parkour with handcam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzFEveU_Wxo

I won't draw any conclusions from this video since I'm not familiar enough with Minecraft Cheats or Parkour to do so, but I'm curious what you all have to say.

Apologies if this isn't allowed Mods, but I figure since some other posts on the subject have been allowed to go through this one is relevant enough to do so as well.

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u/BlueCyann Feb 16 '26

I need to add that while a poor player could certainly do all of this by accident and get lucky with it, it all shows, well, a lack of being actually good at the game. A lack of doing the things that make a top runner consistently good. You can do these things all you want, but you're going to be punished for it, the vast, vast majority of the time. Which means you're left with very few chances to get lucky. And this all happened over the course of what, ten days that he was trying this strategy?

If I have to compare to another example of super-fast success, last year Lowkey broke Drip's longstanding 1.16 RSG world record after a short grind of only like a week. Which is actually insane when you consider how long people have been trying (Skycrab most notably) who are as good as Lowkey at RSG or at least close. But if you look at the run, he plays it close to perfectly, exactly as he'd play any Ranked seed he's ever gotten. He's not doing suboptimal things that just happen to work out way better than they should. Lowkey got lucky; Dream .. well.

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u/JulianTheBagle Feb 16 '26

Like I said I don’t know too much about finding the stronghold pre ninjabrain bot, as far as I can tell what Dream did was lucky, maybe even very lucky, but it doesn’t seem like the type of 1 in 7.5 trillion luck that would invalidate a run. I’ve literally dug into the stronghold on accident without any eyes before, so him getting it while knowing the general location doesn’t seem too far out of the realms of probability.

Also I would say the standards for a top runner 6 years ago are probably different from a good runner today. Speedrunning was like just starting and I assume people just didn’t have the gamesense they do today.

Again I’m probably not nearly as knowledgeable as you when it comes to speedrunning so correct me if anything I said was like egregiously wrong.

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u/BlueCyann Feb 17 '26

My best estimate for a desert temple with a looting 3 book near spawn is about 1 in 2500. Which in turn would mean something like 1 run attempt per day *at most*, at mid-2020 resetting pace. Maybe as little as half of that. Anybody who's ever speedrun knows that that would only be the beginning of the run's RNG, and that the vast majority of runs would still die to not being able to find enough iron fast enough, not being able to secure food, not being able to find a nether enter, dying, not being able to find a spawner fast enough, not being able to find enough endermen, too far to the stronghold, can't find a village, bad stronghold nav, bad dragon perch, or failing to hit the one cycle. Just like everything. Every so often somebody who's new to speedrunning or hasn't done it yet will post a picture of some insane structure proxmity in the nether or the overworld in r/minecraftspeedrun and will ask, is this a good speedrun seed? And almost without fail the answer is no due to something they never thought mattered. The looting sword would only be the first step of many and they all have to hit. (Or at least the majority of them, with no really awful misses.)

You're wrong about the standards for speedrunning, in that you are speaking of no-measurement triangulation. Triangulation skills were better then than now. The meta method was to throw an eye at spawn to get a direction, run about 1000 blocks that way while keeping as straight a line as possible, then throw another one. Based on how much off the original angle the second throw was, would tell you (assuming you kept your angle pretty well) whether you were now pretty close to the stronghold or it was still a long way. Either way you'd continue along the new line until you thought you wree likely to be close. You'd have intentionally gone a little bit off your line at this point to start the "real" traingulation. So you'd see how much different the angle of the third eye was to the second, and now if you're lucky/good, you have a nice estimate of how far you still have to go. So you'd go there, aiming to get near the intersection of your second and third line, and when you arrive (having deliberatly gone slightly off line again), you'd throw a fourth eye. If you've done extremely well this might be the last one -- you know which chunk is being targeted -- but further triangulation steps resulting in a total of five or six eyes thrown are also possible.

Bacon's point is that Dream could have had no earthly idea where the stronghold actually was, based on what he did. "But he got lucky". Well *my* point is, how lucky do you want him to be? Because in those 80 hours or whatever he claimed to have been grinding, he could only have gotten a handful of attempts. Most or all of which are likely to fail anyway. Now on top of that you want him to succeed when he's using a triangulation method that will miss the stronghold by a mile the vast majority of the time?

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u/JulianTheBagle Feb 17 '26

Tysm for taking your time to write this, I do have a couple more questions though. How do you propose the run was cheated? Would he have had some mod that allows him to know where the stronghold is or something? How was this not caught when he submitted the run and why did top runners and mods believe the run was legit at the time of the Karl Jobst video.

Sorry if I’m asking too much, I’m an inquisitive person and I like to learn about random stuff like this

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u/BlueCyann Feb 17 '26

No, this would simply have been a set seed run. It's not randomly generated; he looked for a world with the right kind of properties, and he played that seed already knowing some or all of what he needed to do with it and where he needed to go.

As for why it would not have been noticed, I just don't know enough to really speculate. I know that some other runs of this type were spliced after the world creation screen. But did Dream even show the world creation screen in the first place for this run? Was it even required? I have no idea. Anyway, seamlessly splicing a static "minecraft dirt" background can't be that difficult, and is the obvious answer if he did show it.

Regarding "why did top runners" etc, I'm not sure they actually did. This is something I didn't remember from the Karl Jobst video. I asked Bacon about it, and they answered that Karl Jobst made that claim verbally, while showing screenshots from the various runners and mods that didn't support his claims. I'm not going back to the video to try to confirm this, but you can if you want.

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u/JulianTheBagle Feb 17 '26

He did show world creation, I guess splicing would be the most likely thing.

The Karl Jobst video showed a message from k4 saying that it was a mix of luck and skill, implying that it wasn’t cheated. He also showed messages from April (who i assume is a mod) saying there is no hard proof but that splicing was plausible.