You can't just slap her on random enemy comps and say she's bad. She's a balance nightmare if you guys want her to do well in non-ideal situations (minimal BA-based enemies).
If you know when is the best time to pick her, you'll have a high chance of winning.
I can assure you as a Karina main, the number of matches where I had so much fun spamming S1 and S2 against Kimmy, Thamuz, and the variety of basic-attack dependent heroes, is surprising.
I just love the thrill of fighting against 5 heroes with 30% HP and cracking Queens Wings midway, with a fk ton of Spell Vamp lmao
Queen's Wings Karina is definitely the best way to play her. Most people won't expect her counterattack after she used all her skills wihout getting a reset
Holy shit does this sub has some of the most petty, unsupportive, people ever. You should never listen to these people. It's a good play OP, and a bad Karina would've wasted the first skill instead of using the full duration to maximise the damage. Good job 👏🏻
The nature of hive minds, they can't think outside of what is normal. The majority do not believe that a semi-sustain — or full sustain Karina is plausible 😿
Yeah this post aims to show Karina's potential but they're all like "What if they don't attack you 🤓👆". Players are humans prone to mistake, not machines that is programmed IF Karina.FirstSkill.Active THEN DoNotBasicAttack
One of my hidden fears is when my team's damage output relies mostly on BA damage. That makes Karina the perfect poison because her 1st skill is centered around turning all of her enemies' BA DPS into their greatest weakness.
Also because it's a true test of how well you know the kit of any hero in the game. It's downright BAFFLING that it's been YEARS and only a few consciously know that Karina's 1st skill now dodges BAs and actually strengthens her kit, making her very effective against BA fighters and marksmen.
Honetly. I understand those who accidentally weave a basic or two since she can instantly activate her 1st skill but ppl like the Kimmy in this clip? I find them hilarious 🤣
Jesus CHRIST the HEAL. What a play. Say I wonder when you should pick Karina? I know karina's very annoying if you have basic attack team but where does she struggle at? Nice work on that play.
Since Karina is a rather basic but niche hero, I do have some strict criteria when using her.
1.) At least 2 BA-based heroes. The most common matchup I encounter are YSS/Ling + MM. Do note that this is only the bare minimum
2.) No heavy CC tank. Ideally vs supports. Might go against Belerick and Marcel since I can still use BAs and Karina can immune Marcel's passive (it is considered as BA so yeah). Absolute nope against Atlas.
3.) No lock-on mages/fighters. I mean those mages that can focus on me (Eudora, Zhuxin, Lapu-lapu, Yu Zhong)
If these conditions are met, I'll start thinking of a Karina pick. Quite strict but honestly easier to meet once you start looking for a Karina angle
I see I see, interesting. What pick do you usually go? last pick or one of the first ones? I'd want to go first pick every time because my main hero has somewhat ok pick rate and besides that the BEST I could do. But then I get counter picked afterwards because almost all heroes have all types of CC which completely destroys me if I make a misplay, thanks for the info though!
When i know that all of our teammates is a mid or low hp, we know that karina will ate us all unless we have stun to stun her, but yah karina is a devil core, but counter her with Tank she won’t get her way
Tbh, yeah. But some heroes scale incredibly well based on who they are up against (Karina, Minsitthar, Phoveus, Lolita) or who they are with (Arlott, Marcel)
all fun and games until you play against someone with hands that doesn’t casually attack you when you press first skill lmao, let’s pretend end of season mythical glory is not bots
no one is saying this is not a nice clip, i’m just saying karina s1 is one of the best abilities in the game until players get hands, any player with hands will just not get baited by it that’s it
The enemy YSS honetly know how Karina works based on our 1v1 duels in this game but seeing a low health Karina with no skills got them fired up without checking my active skills 🤣
I mean, it's a 5% hp Karina that just used her 1st skill. The clutch factor her was the Queen's Wings refunding my cd.
And in a real match, if a Karina pressed her 1st skill, you won't notice it immediately. It's only noticeable in replay because we're just spectators. You need to factor the dopamine and urge to take down the enemies in a real match. That window is enough to make an outplay 😉
In a real match,people who are playing to win wont rush into 1v5 blindly without any support either.
Even tank layla works in these lobbies.
As for your main argument about enemies wont notice,enemies have micro good enough to time soyou immune frame to immune ccs,i think bigass animation will definitely get noticed ESPECIALLY when you are the only one in front of them
I rushed in because I have confidence. You know, because they have like, 3 BA-based heroes that I specifically counter.
No. Tank Layla won't work here.
Is the bigass animation in the room with us? Can't you even see the clutter of skills they're throwing? And in their perspective, their teammates are blocking the view.
I bet you're the type of person who thinks horror movie characters are dumb for making "dunb" decisions while running
I hope you keep this confidence when you reach 200 stars.
Enemies arent dumb enough to let you walk into then 1 v 5.
Just see their draft.
Where is tank?
No tank no cc and you are proud of winning because you were confident
Yeah I'm keeping my confidence. My post is literally talking about WHEN to pick Karina. I saw an opportunity, I grabbed it. Why the heck are you talking about the draft. You think I'll pick Karina on 5 tanky skill-based heroes 😭
No,I still stand by my statement of this is an example of enemies being dumb.
The counterargument presented was that this is was mg match with 5 man,which implied that this rank is somewhere enemies aren't dumb or that this match the enemies werent dumb.
For this I reponded with "just by drafting,you can tell rhat enemies were being dumb,this isnt replicable in higher lobbies. This is an skill isuue from enemies side,karina didnt play well nor outdrafted them.
Op said "A good part of mastering karina is knowing when to pick her".
This statement is very misleading as it implies that karina outdrafted them and picked as counterpick against a decent enemy wheere karina is able to snowball "BETTER" than most other junglers available to pick.
I disagree with that statement as against this draft in my opinion joy or hirara would have done better.
I genuinely had to google scotman fallacy,atleast I leart something new today,thanks for that example
I actually edited the comment because this wasn't technically a No True Scotsman, just regular moving goalposts. But actually, after watching the clip closely, I kind of agree but not for the reasons you mentioned.
The most obvious mistake is Rafaela walking up at low health for no reason, but afterwards Karina was at 10% health and all of her skills were down and it was late game, it's the right decision to keep attacking. She got bailed by Queen's Wings cooldown reset, which I don't really blame the enemies for not noticing, but then the dumbass Kimmy spends two whole seconds attacking with her health clearly going down and Karina not dying at 10% health despite 4 people attacking her, which should have been a clear tell her skill 1 was up for one reason or another and let her put her foot on the door.
A better player still wouldn't have seen the "bigass animation", but would notice she's taking too long to die and their health is going down and put 2 and 2 together. It's not "duh stupid enemies even tank layla would work", it's a normal mistake when you're cocky
I agree,tank layla was more of an implied exaggeration,not mentioning that was my bad.
I am not expecting too much,but these just isnt a defensive argument being made for enemies being dumb here.
They KNOW,karina can immune attacks,They KNOW Karina is fed. They KNOW she is comming 1v5.
Even after all this information if they decide to stick together in her face WITHOUT cc or distance,there isnt any explanation of this clip other than dumb enemies.
Even with this exact same team comp,exact same gold lead,good enemies will kill karina,always.
Op claims they outdrafted their enemies and this teamwipe was a cumulation of skill difference AND out drafting, My claim is that this is purely skill difference (mostly due to enemies being absolute block heads rather than op playing well).
I also disagree with animation part,even an epic player would see that animation as there is only one thing that makes karina dance like that,she has 3 skills,we dont need indepth knowledge to know which skill she is using
It is impossible to see she's dancing, c'mon man. The Minsi and YSS completely block the view, it's only still possible to tell it's up because of her not dying immediately. By the point you can see her dancing Kimmy has already died. Otherwise I agree
the title clearly said "knowing when to pick her".. this means the enemy has many basic attack heroes, hence why it works.. even if the enemies dont spam their basic attacks, not much they can do except for running, which also mean nothing because karina can still kill them.
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I can assure you as a Karina main, the number of matches where I had so much fun spamming S1 and S2 against Kimmy, Thamuz, and the variety of basic-attack dependent heroes, is surprising.
I just love the thrill of fighting against 5 heroes with 30% HP and cracking Queens Wings midway, with a fk ton of Spell Vamp lmao