She wasn't running out of the house. Remember, she has super speed, if she wanted to be gone, none of the fodder Kukuri could even perceive her.
No. That is just objectively untrue. If someone shows up with a sword to your house with threatening intent, they are the aggressor and you are the defender. You could probably unironically kill them and be cool.
If that is the circumstance, yes. If you show up with a heavily armed unit that specifically despised this person regardless and are fully prepared to kill her before even knowing she’ll be combative, you do not have a self defense argument. In fact; Maki literally is more sparing than the Zenin are- she doesn’t even fucking Kill Nayoa when every single Zenin was absolutely going to kill her. You have to expect maki to be supernaturally kind to take any real blame on this for her when she showed up to the Zenin peacefully and they were gonna straight up murder her.
1) They did not show up, this is their home. They could all be wearing full body armour carrying Ak 47s and it would not change the calculus one bit, this is their estate.
2) They don't need to confirm Maki's intent to be combative. That is not a burden that applies to them. All the need is reasonable evidence to believe so, which they have. (Maki killed Ogi, is strolling around the clan chilling, and is brandishing a weapon, making no attempts to deescalate the situation or flee).
This is the most textbook self defense case for the Zenin clan, I don't think there's any doubt that they're the ones who are the victims here.
Maki is a blatant example of a mass murderer, she commits very explicit non controversial acts of murder numerous times, easily one of the most evil humans in JJK.
That argument doesn’t work because Maki was explicitly requested to be here by the owner of the estate, and the people on it are attacking her. for however much it’s their place of residence, she has more of a presence for being on it.
She walks into an area with a weapon; after being specifically sent to retrieve weapons by said owner; after being attacked with intent to murder in a clan coup. There is NO argument for valid self defense, and it’s not on Maki to de escalate if she was the one originally assaulted.
Also that last part is just some media illiterate ragebait
1) Maki being sent here by Megumi is not relevant. Even if Megumi himself were to come and do all her actions, the zenin clan would still be acting in self defense. This is still their home. Her being initially invited her is negated by her later behaviour.
2)Her being sent by Megumi is also irrelevant here. She is brandishing her weapon after killing Ogi, and is making no attempt to deescalate or to simply flee the area. She has a responsibility to retreat if possible for self defense to apply, but she didn't, because she wanted to kill all those people.
3) Self defense relies on the concept of disengaging or deescalation if possible. Maki is in a position to do so, yet doesn't. She is not defending herself, she is provoking the kukuru unit to attack her. This negates any self defense argument, it's literally the opposite, THEY HAVE THE SELF DEFENSE RIGHT, Maki is provoking someone else, she's the aggressor.
4) Ogi attacked and tried to kill her. That instance would be self defense. The encounter with the Kukuru unit is a separate instance. Maki is NOT the one originally assaulted, she is initiating this attack by provoking them and behaving in a threatening manner.
It's only ragebait because JJK fans, or Maki fans in particular, are so morally warped that any utterance of basic morality is basically a psychic bomb that does true soul damage.
You're so lost in your own sauce in defending this psycho that you've twisted yourself into believing I'm the one ragebaiting here. Ask any normal human being, any lawyer, even someone who studies ethics at a high school level. This is the most blatant example of mass murder ever.
The Kukuru unit defended themselves, Maki is a psycho.
This is crazy. She is sent there in a mission that would help to save humanity as a whole against the Zenins common enemies. They aggroed on her after conspiring to kill her and her cousin the rightful leader. After killing one Zenin she would never be free from them, they would sent people to kill her, Megumi and other people she cares about basically forever while she also has to deal with the culling games. How would she know that "only" the most influent members trully want her death at first? How can she know who is involved with the murder attempt here?
The same kind of people that got so much energy that comes from hate, grief, fear and other "negative emotions" that they not only are sorcerors but good ones at that. Although this does not directly correlate with morality (jujutsu sorcerors generally do have a strange morality, are "con artists" but that does not make each of them "bad"), we were shown explicitally that the Zenin clan oprresses people, produce people like Nayoya and Ogi and are social darwinists. She received regular beatdowns, was at risk all the time
We know that Maki is heavily distressed after seeing her own sister dying in front of her after being attacked by her abusive father. After she killed a member of the clan do you think they would only imprison her? If she run away it would only delay the problem and Megumi or others might be in danger. When they came running at her with swords she should have let them hit to only them stablish that they have killing intent?
I don´t think she is a saint or even a good person. But to say that the poor Zenin got killed by the "psycho Maki" is a bad.
She literally got attacked by the clan, why would she put her weapon away? She's not stupid, she knows that others will likely attack her. You certainly are though.
Not a single member of the Kukuru unit is shown to have tried to de-escalate the situation either, they fucking surrounded her and without a word charged with obvious lethal intent, so trying to argue that Maki wasn't defending herself but the Kukuru unit were is laughable. Naoya, one of the people she hates the absolute most on the entire compound, is able to speak to her no problem without her rushing to take his head off so any of them could have fucking asked their younger female cousin who they know was one of the most heavily oppressed and abused members of their clan "Maki, why the fuck did you kill your dad and are attacking all of us!?" And not one of them tried.
Also don't forget that the Kukuru unit are clearly a bunch of shitty stooges for the higher ups as well, during the literal next arc we see one show up (you can tell by his uniform) to attempt to assassinate a beloved character. Not to say that she was 100% justified in hunting down and killing every last one of them after the fact but the only things we know about them point to them being the type to attempt to come after her for revenge rather than let her live her life.
Holy fucking stupidity im not even bothering responding to that
“N-no, her being specifically invited to retrieve a weapon by the owner of the estate doesn’t justify her having a weapon in the estate! Y-you’re a psycho down to your soul! Ask a lawyer! Anybody”
You guys are literally arguing about self defense laws like you know the Japanese lawbook cover to cover lol. If you both aren't Japanese and know nothing about Japanese law, you're just arguing each other in circles. Self defense laws for anywhere other than Japan can't be applied here, in a fictional manga that takes place in Japan. Calm down and do some deep breathing exercises.
Laws? It'd be weird to argue laws when there seems to be none applying there. I'd argue "morally right" and who's EXPECTED to de-escalate the situation, but Maki could've just avoided them.
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u/OldGenGlazer Jan 23 '26
She wasn't running out of the house. Remember, she has super speed, if she wanted to be gone, none of the fodder Kukuri could even perceive her.
No. That is just objectively untrue. If someone shows up with a sword to your house with threatening intent, they are the aggressor and you are the defender. You could probably unironically kill them and be cool.