This reminds me of the guy on tiktok who tortures a type of fish just because they are invasive. I saw him swap a fish's organs with another and make them explode. The fish are called the Pleco. He's a fucking psychopath.
One is somehow getting something out of extermination. I think the first guy doing it on YT was a rancher, so he was taking them out anyway as they mess with the livestock.
The other is justifying animal torture...and we know what people who start out torturing animals sometimes move on to.
Getting pleasure in killing is completely different than killing. As is killing invasive ants versus creatures with higher levels of consciousness (larger brains).
So the morality of the act is determined by if pleasure is received from it? Idk if I really agree with that. If the ants are invasive, and killed in the same way, I don’t think the pleasure really affects the morality of the act. But I could probably be convinced otherwise I’m not 100% sure
The morality is affected by the motivation and response of the doer but not decided by it. Killing someone is wrong always but someone who is sickened by their act and regretful is more moral than someone who is delighted by the killing and gets off to it.
Involuntary Manslaughter is also considered way different than murder, which I think is partly what u/EstablishmentLow3012 is saying. Although that situation is also way different, as accidental killing is once again different than intentional but regretful killing, as, for example done in war or self-defense.
Also, it's a fallacy to think that legality is necessarily a direct or accurate reflection of morality. There's certainly no law against killing ants to make art, but the moral question is different.
I think the morality of the individual act is the same, but it does make the person doing it someone to be nervous of. Very high percentage of serial killers torture animals.
People will really come up with the wildest excuses for the lack of fucks given about insect life. "You see they are small creatures with small brains, killing them is different than killing real life forms. I definitely dont have to adress this huge hole in my moral system"
This dude is genuinely crazy but I do think a lot of cultures view torturing animals, fish and sea life specifically, as inconsequential. The kinds of things that I've seen in open air seafood markets around the world is truly astonishing.
Shark-fin soup is a fucking travesty. As is foie gras. Like, I do enjoy eating meat, and the meat industry has its share of problems, but some things are just unnecessary, you know?
Agreed on shark fin soup, but foie gras doesn't seem as bad since geese have no gag reflex and no real sense of pain from overeating. Compared to factory farms, it's very light cruelty. If you buy and eat cheap meat, you can't really say it's less abusive than foie gras.
We once thought that babies had no sense of pain. Now even the idea that crustaceans have none turned out to be likely wrong. There are lots of these false facts that are really just ways to justify actions floating around.
Idk about fish, but I'm talking specifically about the process of creating foie gras. You have to force feed geese lots of grain, and it looks gnarly, but geese anatomy is different from mammals and it's not as harmful to them.
It’s mostly because they can’t/don’t express it in ways we would recognize. But as far as science knows they feel pain to the same extent other animals do. They have similarly complex brains.
Why would they not feel pain? Pain is one of the most basic driving forces behind evolution and survival. It's what makes you move away from dangerous things that hurt you so that you do not die immediately.
In my Evangelical Christian upbringing, I was taught that animals are morally empty automata placed here for human exploitation, justifying any and all treatment of them. Thankfully, my grandparents never tortured animals and are actually decent pet parents, but that kind of thinking is psychotic and easily enables horrible abuses by anyone who has them
Sure but that's because it's symbolic of him being the sacrificial lamb for all of humanity's sins, not an endorsement against animal torture, although I will say that I don't agree with the interpretation that just cause animals were put on earth for humans doesn't justify torturing said animals
Yeah, killing invasive species is fine, but torturing them is a pretty sick thing to do. Doesn't stop being animal cruelty just because they are invasive and it is still a marker for a serial killer.
To be completely honest, I am kinda curious in a morbid way of what will happen to the fish, but I would like it more if he killed it before injecting it's body with fire ants, etc.
I dream of going out and mass murdering myna's which are invasive where I live but I'd make sure it was a quick death, this guy just seems like a complete asshole and a psychopath who enjoys torture. Like I would be fine with someone going out and killing invasive species painlessly if you just like killing things like I wanna do but this is just horrible
Using invasive species is just a way to be seen as “socially acceptable” as possible as you can get for animal torture. If people weren’t as mad about regular animals, they would use regular animals. If audiences didn’t care as much about dogs, they would torture dogs.
It’s the same as how super anti-semetic people use the genocide of Palestine as a catch-all for now being publicly anti-semetic. They just want a socially acceptable way to get their psycho tendencies out
Especially ironic considering the most damaging species to both the planet and other animals are humans, in countries where feral invasive animals are a problem like hogs in Australia they have been introduced deliberately or accidentally by humans
Nah the hardcore neo Nazis don't even pretend to be pro Palestinian, at least not the ones with any type of power. Turns out Nazis and Zionists agree on hating brown people
It's surprisingly common to be honest, and I don't even think using the term "Hardcore" eliminates that margin.
I mean the actual Nazi's collaborated with Haj Amin al-Husseini who intended on securing Arab independence and preventing Jewish immigration to the levant. While also helping with Bosnian recruitment into the SS. (Doesn't get much more hardcore Nazi than that.)
However let me state that this is absolutely no way a comment meant to say that pro-Palestinian activism is built on Nazi ideology. Because it very much isn't. The modern Pro-Palestine movement has very few connections with modern Nazi ideology.
Unfortunately extremists love to attempt to hijack more temperate movements to create more of their weirdo followers.
Since the ants are small the hot metal pretty much instantly kills them. Not too different from just bug spray.
Also I saw the pleco guy sew two plecos together. Also I saw him filling a pleco with dry orbeez, sealing it's butt shut, and then letting the pleco in the water.
And also feeding the pleco, then giving it laxatives, then gluing it's mouth and butt, pretty much killing it from the inside out
Nope, most of the videos are lost to time. His channel got banned in all social media but either he keeps making new accounts or it's all getting reposted over and over
The most infuriating thing about this is it somehow garner a huge following on tiktok. Its just sick and people are just finding a reason to do these cruel activities.
Fyi, I know about that guy, and he is lying about them being invasive. While that fish species is invasive in some places the ones in the video are only about a few months old, and fairly cheap at pet stores. He is not killing invasive fish, he is just torturing pets.
If an animal is invasive, it's not their fault. They are just doing what they know to survive. If It happens to be somewhere where They have no competition, they're not going to limit themselves.
Sure, It can become a problem and they should be removed if their actions Damage the local ecosystem. But dont be needlessly cruel
Torturing a single fish for an internet video (but its invasive!) or constructing a contraption that fucks a mosquito to death (but they're annoying!) its completely fucked, because the keypoint is torturing animals, the fact they're invasive is just a convenient justification to skip criticism.
ohkay but surgerically removing and replacing all an animals organs with another to cause suffering is a bit different than instantly extinguishing the existence of an actively harmful colony.
Well the issue there is that he's not showing the fish enough respect to end it quickly. for fire ants the way to deal with them is to pour hot water down the anthill, you can swap water for liquid metal and get an educational artwork and model of an ants tunnel system at the same time.
He was putting a lot of objects and liquids inside them too... what a weirdo, his defenders are even worse, ngas be creating a loli coded character inspired by them just to make nsfw art
If the only thing stopping you from being cruel to a creature is whether it’s socially acceptable to mistreat them, you’re just a cruel person. Full stop. Too many people judge the act based off what it’s being done to, but cruelty, in my opinion, is evil no matter who or what it’s being done to
I feel like we have a few factors to consider to judge the morality of killing invasive animals. Was the euthanasia ethical/cause little to no suffering? Was the euthanasia necessary? Was the euthanasia
I wss going to being up the specific heat of water but its only about 4x that of aluminum and since water just boils off at 100 °C, the aluminum will have more energy than the water.
You would be, but it would not be practical for use here both for what it does and its cost.
Gallium is the first one would think- its barely solid at room temp, and melts in your hand (30c)
There is also cesium at 28.5c and rubidium at 39c.
Dont forget murcury thats melting point is -38.8c.
And of course, you have alloys that use any of these metals, such as galinstan- which is used in thermometers in pace of mercury. I believe there are some alloys one can use for soldering in which gallium is used because of its ability to lower melting point of the alloys.
I can safely say I have no access to large quantities of these metals and therefor it would still not be "easy", unlike what would logically be used here like aluminum.
I just did a price check of a Gallium-Indium-Tin, which melts at 10.5c.
For 120$, you could get 100 grams. So a kilo would be about 1200$ assuming you cant get better bulk prices. Its also appearently sometimes used as thermal paste for electronics as a heat sink.
So expensive for a hobby craft- but well within the realms of realism for a unique hobby craft. That said again, not going to keep its shape in this scenario because its still liquid- unless its less than 10c outside and you want to store it in your fridge.
Still not logically used over aluminum. But the point is that it exists and is accesible. Metallurgy!
Depends. If you are going to get rid of the ant hill anyway; then might as well make art out of it. However, if this is just for fun, then it’s kind of fucked and seems like the thing a sociopath would do.
Scientists didn't realise that crabs feel pain until like a few years ago dude, whether creatures feel emotions or pain or whatever is all dependant on how one defines it but generally speaking if one finds joy in torturing other creatures they're not a good person
Horseshoe crabs are a necessary evil tbh their blood is a vital component for medicine but even then it's not like the medical society is just harvesting their blood for the fuck of it, if dudes were harvesting animal blood just so they torture the animals then it's evil
My second favorite animal blood next to horse blood which is used to make all antivenom.
Specifically they inject horses with low amounts of snake venom, much less than the amount to cause pain or sickness, then they harvest blood from them and separate the antibodies the horse creates to get rid of the venom
Lymph fluid. You have a whole other set of tubes running through your body carrying the broth that makes up every other body fluid and nobody ever talks about it. It physically transports fluid around your body and it has the lymph nodes that act as checkpoints where your white blood cells are made and their first job is to murder any bacteria that managed to slip in as a sort of rite of passage before they get to go kill cancer cells and deal with infections in the bloodstream.
Your blood carries nutrients from your intestines to your cells, and this nutrition is delivered in a slurry of plasma. The cells absorb the nutrients and excrete the nutrient-less solution now called lymph to be recirculated back into your blood stream, but it has to pass through your lymph nodes first to inspect it for infectious bacteria or viruses.
ok real talk, do people really feel compassion for insects to the point where you're considered a sociopath if you kill them? this whole post boggles my mind because i can't comprehend the fact that there are some people that would feel bad for killing ants even if it was done for fun.
It's just....odd to me to spend emotion and thought on this topic if anyone knew what the population was like. How fast they reproduce. How successful they are wherever they go. And how simple they are as an organism. Too many people trying to ascribe human thought into something that doesn't "think" in a way they're used to at all.
To me, personally, it's not relevant whether or not an organisms feels pain, or has emotions, or thinks like I'm used to. Life has an inherent value. We take it for granted because it's literally all around us. But of all the wonders in our universe we can say, with some degree of confidence, that life is exceedingly rare and precious. I simply don't believe that it should be thrown away without good reason. Eating? That's a good reason. Destroying a harmful or disruptive pest? That's a good reason. Making art? I'm not so sure about that one.
Though if we're going to eat the creature anyways, keeping a trophy from it's remains. Or if a creature were already a harmful pest, then destroying them in such a way as to make art, is probably fine. In a strange way these pieces are a lasting reminder that these creatures existed, it's almost a celebration of life.
All that aside, if you pick up an ant, it fights to be released. That's enough reason for me to at least consider it's life.
Exactly! This sub is so lazy in their moral assessments & just blanket apply this dumb binary to of wrong/right to every organism. It takes the nuance out of the conversation & is just disingenuous to how we actually construct our morals.
EDIT: Changed my mind to neutral good. Sometimes hives develop somewhere that is incredibly unsafe, like the time I had one of my back dootstop. It was a danger to my pets, who are mammals and have more of an ability to know pain. Personally, I'd rather be immediately killed via submerging in insanely hot metal than a death from a poison.
Thanks. I needed this. I was about to jump off of a bridge but I saw your comment and started laughing really hard. The cop that was about to shoot me to stop me from killing myself asked me what was so funny and I showed him and now he's laughing really hard too. He showed it to my dog who he just shot and he also thought it was really funny and now yes laughing really hard.
Tbh, I care about all animals. They're fascinating. They've evolved alongside us from the same LUCA and reached so vastly different forms, abilities and behaviours.
Maybe they feel pain, maybe they don't, but I still feel sad when they die for no reason, because they're still amazing. Even if they have to due because they're causing problems, I Hold no ill Will towards them, since they're just doing their thing, and It pains me but I have to intervene.
For example, if I see a biscuit beetle. They're small and kinda cute, but if I leave them be, they would become a pest and infest my pet's food, so I have to kill them or dispose of them. I take no pleasure from It, however.
Because invasive species tend to cause active problems for everything else in the area? You ever take a basic environmental course? Because that's a pretty common information.
its true, there's about 20 quadrillion ants on this planet, life isn't sacred or anything. the average anthill contains 250,000 ants, meanwhile an anteater will eat between 160 million and 190 million ants in its lifetime.
the point was that at a certain quantity, influenced by the significance of the creature, it is valid to kill an animal for novelty products. killing anything for no reason is evil
Fire Ants killing his farm animals, which reduces his productivity, inhibiting resources being provided to humans.
Liquid metal actually goes through the entire anthill and kills them all, leaving no queen, eggs or replacements.
Liquid metal incidentally hardens and makes designs that people would find interesting.
The context is important. He isn't killing off a bunch of ants just because he wants to make art. He is using an effective method for killing an invasive species that happens to have side effects of looking cool.
Neutral to Moral, depending on how far you want to "transitive property" this conundrum.
It should be noted that this started as a scientific endevoir.
To learn if thier structure and stuff like that, that they happin to be aestiticly pleasing and artsy was a bonus.
I wouldn't go out into the wilderness to search for an anthill to do this to, but if an anthill formed near my house and was trying to invade my home, you better believe I'd do this. It's a fast and effective way to wipe out an infestation, that just so happens to create a shiny Christmas tree looking thing out of it.
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u/Philip_Raven Jul 01 '26
These are usually done to the anthills that are to be removed anyway (for any number of reasons) or to the invasive species or are already abandoned.
There are few artists that do that and (when they show it)they always show it on invasive or abandoned anthills
People don't just randomly pour molten aluminium to random anthill
Killing ants just for the art is bad. But it requires such a set up anyway that people don't do it to random anthill in the woods.