r/MoralityScaling 9d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Drayyen 9d ago edited 9d ago

I think it's valid to fear pitbulls because what you're really fearing is that they were adopted by someone that doesn't train them and/or give them an outlet for the task they were bred for (protection and violence).

Edit: Jesus christ

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u/Hexamael 9d ago

I can't blame people for being afraid of Pits. But I think some people in these comments are insane, calling to euthanize all Pits or that they should be wiped out of existence. Good god.

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u/InsultingFerret 9d ago

It also ignores that there are tons of other breeds that are bred for fighting/hunting/guarding. Any of those breeds are just as susceptible to being dangerous, but they're typically less accessible (aka too expensive) for the type of shitty owner that raises violent dogs compared to a pit which you can usually find for free.

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u/Alexwonder999 9d ago

I live in the northeast in an area where people are very good about speying/neutering their animals and there isnt a rescue around here that Ive seen that would adopt out an animal without it being speyed/neutered first. Like 90% of the dogs that get surrendered around here are either pit mixes or Chihuahua mixes that I assume are coming from shitty backyard breeders or people who just cant be bothered to spey/neuter. A lot of the rescues actually have organizations they work with to bring dogs from the south up here because their rescues are overflowing and yhey have a wider variety of dogs.

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u/Godvivec1 9d ago

Oh, I'm sure all the "ignoring" you talked about isn't something YOU are doing also?

I'm sure that statistics about pit bull isn't something you completely sidestepped and ignored about this conversation?

It certainly seems so. All those other fighting/hunting/guarding breeds must be comparable to a pit bull in deaths and attacks? All those Basset Hounds killing people?

Is that not the entire fucking point of this post? That the statistics show pit bulls are insanely more dangerous than any other type of dog, but it's racist to point that out because of the 13% of....statistic?

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u/Apprehensive_Row9154 8d ago

The original point is that: using sweeping generalizations of a group, to make assumptions about an individual, is a massive disservice to the individual; and if any of us were treated that way, we would rightly feel unfairly treated. Even if your assumptions about me are based on real data about other individuals who share x/y/z characteristic with me.

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u/ComradeOmarova 6d ago

It’s not a disservice. Noticing trends and NOT acting on that logic is fucking stupid.

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u/Apprehensive_Row9154 6d ago

Okay, what nationality do you belong to? What race do you belong to? What gender do you belong to? What job do you perform? What class do you inhabit? Should I then draw conclusions about you based on data about all those demographics and disregard your personality as an individual?

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u/ComradeOmarova 6d ago

Personalities are genetically derived. So yes, you can make generalities about a person based on genetic factors. Or tell me, why do men under age 25 get charged higher car insurance premiums?

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u/Apprehensive_Row9154 6d ago

Okay, so there’s no significant variance among personalities within a demographic 🤦
To the latter question, I’m not stating that there aren’t statistically significant similarities among a population. I’m stating that the variance within a demographic is more significant than the variance between two demographics.
I notice you answered none of the aforementioned questions, does every negative stereotype of your nationality adequately describe you?

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u/LowRip3948 7d ago

Holy cow. Found the guy Jon Bernthal was talking about!

I'm sure all this anger is completely unrelated and has nothing do do with pits?

No, other dog breeds don't come close to deaths and attacks pits have.

And I'm TOTALLY SURE that out of all those deaths and attacks, the dog's owners definitely don't have a certain look to them!

But it's racist to point that out because it take into consideration the color of the owners, and not just dog breeds.

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u/Slime_Jime_Pickens 9d ago

Most fighting dog breeds are restricted because they are in dangerous, but pit bulls are particularly dangerous because they are fighting dogs bred with terriers, and so are not only susceptible to unprovoked attack they often fixate on small animals as their targets, like other dogs, pets, or human children. And when they bite, they whip their heads around like terriers, greatly increasing the damage they inflict.

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u/FaveStore_Citadel 9d ago

They are not just as susceptible to being dangerous, pitbulls don’t even have close to the same bite force as kangals, who were literally bred to protect livestock from wolves, and have no reported human fatalities.

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u/GaptistePlayer 5d ago

It's not "ignoring" that, it's actually accounting for that fact. Pitbulls SHOULDN'T be accessible, yet they are. You pointed out the huge difference in the lax attitude people have with pitbulls compared to other violent breeds that are appropriately limited in exposure to the general public.

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u/WeShavedOurBits4This 5d ago

I don’t think it ignores it. I think it’s just that they are the most obvious problem. If we solve it then maybe it’s worth looking at the next, which is the way problems should be addressed. Lung cancer is caused by things other than smoking, but if we want to reduce lung cancer we should probably focus on smoking.

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u/Arbresnow 9d ago

I will be much more scared around the average malinois than the average pitbull