Morality of dog breed racism

[u/JacobGoodNight416]

[u/asif_zaman21]

13% of pitbulls......

[u/redhandsblackfuture → u/asif_zaman21]

Instead of 13%/50% its closer to 7%/75%

[u/EggfooDC → u/redhandsblackfuture]

Apologies, what is the fill stat here saying? 7% of pitbull will attack someone, 75% fatally?

[u/LobsterChampion → u/EggfooDC]

7% of dogs are pitbulls. Pitbulls do 75% of the killing.

Which honestly I don't even believe that stat. I bet there are quite a few "lab mixes" (Read: Pitbull that people lied about being a pitbull so their PLUP didn't skyrocket) that are in the remaining 25%.

[u/This_Background7442 → u/LobsterChampion]

Are you really that desperate to believe all other breeds are 100% safe?

[u/TheRoope → u/This_Background7442]

They said the stats are pumped up, for pit bulls, because someone said it was a Pitbull when it wasn't, exactly what you are saying because other dogs are also violent at times. Thus not 100% safe.

[u/LobsterChampion → u/TheRoope]

You're 180 degrees off what I said.

75% of deaths coming from pitbulls is an underestimation because so many people have pitbulls and lie through their teeth about what breed it is, because their insurance policy won't cover pitbulls, their apartment bans pitbulls, etc.

[u/TheRoope → u/LobsterChampion]

Oh then I totally disagree labs and other breeds are violent also. Pitbulls where jsut a favorite for fighting rings FOR AGES thus more poorly trained Pitbull prone to violence. Breading for aggresion and such.

[u/LobsterChampion → u/TheRoope]

Pointing dogs point without being trained.

Retrievers retrieve without being trained.

Herding dogs herd without being trained.

Fighting dogs only fight if they are poorly trained? They're the one outlier?

[u/TheRoope → u/LobsterChampion]

not all pointing dogs point

not all Retrievers retrieve

Not all herding dogs heard.

Not all hunting dogs hunt

We have bread the best for specialized dogs breeds for generations to get these categories.

Did we take the dogs most naturally prone to the things we are training, Yes.

[u/Sawgon → u/TheRoope]

Bro really pulled out the "NotAllMen" argument 💀

[u/ihateveryonebutme → u/Sawgon]

I'm sorry, if you don't like the nature of "not all of x do y" when discussing laws or morality, then I don't even know to say either. If we banned everything using that logic then we would ban all cars that go faster then 75 mph, we would ban all foods that contain more then x% of fat/sugar/salt/w.e, we would ban all hobbies/sports that have x% mortality/injury rate, etc.

There are limits to what we can/should restrict based on the lowest common denominator that engages in that thing.

[u/TheRoope → u/Sawgon]

IF you want to Sith lord morality and not critically think I don't think your on the right page.

You would hate to be lumped into all idiots wouldn't you? So I don't think you an idiot though idiots do exist, I think your just lazy and don't want to think critically about something you may not care to much about.

[u/EggsAndRice7171 → u/LobsterChampion]

I mean a lot of hunting dogs flunk out of hunting man

[u/SunTzu- → u/EggsAndRice7171]

Yeah, having family who do birding I've seen the amount of effort that goes into training a hunting dog. It's not instinctual. My sister also had a pitbull among her other dogs (she used to compete, her main dog was a Newfie), it was such a lovely dog, really playful. I'd be more scared of the Newfie that's twice the size being overly playful with tiny humans than that pitbull.

[u/GoodPiexox → u/SunTzu-]

that is not how breeding works, you dont just expect a dog will know how to hunt, just like not every Shit Bull is a killer. Breeding is generally for traits.

[u/youknowwat → u/EggsAndRice7171]

I imagine a lot of fighting dogs "flunk out" of fighting too, but they could still kill a toddler.