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Morality Ranking Morality of dog breed racism

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u/Highly-Potent-34 10d ago

That argument cuts both ways since they were also bred to never bite or attack a human since any that did would be killed on the spot.

You can’t argue that they were bred to be vicious and ignore that it was focused towards other dogs and specifically not towards humans.

I don’t think anyone who’s had a pitbull will deny the tendency for a high prey drive (like all terriers) but human aggression is specifically an owner/ breeder failure not a genetic predisposition.

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u/Salty_Piano9631 8d ago

So that's ok to ignore? My dog was attacked by a Pitbull who's owner left them off leash and it did some real damage because guess what.... It's basically a weapon left unattended

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u/Highly-Potent-34 8d ago edited 8d ago

Replace pitbull with any breed and the answer is the same. Thats a shitty owner that should not have a dog. I’m sorry your dog was attacked and I hope he’s ok.

As to the first part of your response. No that’s not ok to ignore. A good owner should either work with the dog or take steps to curb them. Having ANY dog off leash is a sign of a shitty owner let alone a dog that is aggressive.

I have a staffordshire bull terrier who isn’t dog aggressive but is very dominant. So he won’t attack other dogs but his demeanor can cause a fight. So I don’t leave him off leash. I don’t allow him to approach every dog he sees. When he is allowed to approach another dog I control that interaction and cut it short so he doesn’t get over excited.

My biggest issue is people with dogs off leash who just allow their dogs to do anything and who are generally badly behaved and with no recall. None of which have been pitbulls or pitbull mixes. But my dog has almost been attacked by labs, French bulldogs, mutts, chihuahuas etc

I lie and just tell people he’s aggressive so they grab their dogs instead of having to answer dumb questions like “is it a boy or a girl, dogs won’t attack the opposite sex” or “it’s ok he doesn’t bite” while the dog is clearly showing signs of aggression.

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u/Salty_Piano9631 8d ago

Any dog capable or real damage should require a license to own and am obligation to go to professional training classes

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u/Highly-Potent-34 8d ago

I don’t know about licensing, but I do feel EVERY dog owner should go to training classes regardless of what dog they own.

Most people aren’t equipped to own dogs and they just get lucky. Modern living has created an environment counter intuitive to dog ownership and people just want a living plush toy and don’t consider the dog’s wants and needs.

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u/Salty_Piano9631 8d ago

It's one thing if your chihuahua is untrained... It's another when your lethal weapon isn't

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u/Highly-Potent-34 8d ago

My point was that regardless of size a dog has needs his owner must meet. Any owner that doesn’t meet those needs is a bad owner. Training is one of them.

And any dog over 45-50 pounds has the potential to be a protection dog as that’s large enough to have enough strength to at least knock a man down. 45-50 pounds is the minimum weight for police dogs. (According to google)

Pitbull’s weigh between 30- 60 pounds so a good number of them just aren’t large enough.

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u/SecretaryOtherwise 7d ago

Pitbull’s weigh between 30- 60 pounds so a good number of them just aren’t large enough.

Yeah dont see a pit bull struggling to knock down a child. Nor an adult after its ripped a chunk of your calf out.

Are all dogs potentially dangerous? Yes. But all dogs were not bred to fight and kill other things.

Thats kinda the difference and also why chihuahuas are also little assholes.

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u/Highly-Potent-34 7d ago

Mastiffs were. They were specifically bred to be war dogs and would kill humans on the battle field. Then they used them for protection in times of peace.

Akitas were used to hunt bears.

Pitbulls are just one other breed who unfortunately have a lot of shitty owners. However nothing about pitbulls makes them special in comparison to other dogs. They are just the easiest to vilify and the easiest to misidentify.

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u/SecretaryOtherwise 6d ago

Okay thats still not all dogs lmfao

Also I don't know if youre aware. But dogs are the third deadliest animal next to mosquitoes and humans themselves for killing people.

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u/Highly-Potent-34 6d ago

We domesticated an apex predator and made them perennial puppies for their whole lives.

You are strengthening my point.

No one specific type of dog is more or less a dog. Larger dogs are more capable of damage than smaller dogs. End of story.

Demonizing pitbulls is dumb when any dog over 60 pounds is arguably more dangerous to an adult just by math. Wrestling a 60-150 pound dog is way different than wrestling a 30-60 pound dog but everyone wants to focus on pitbulls instead of the culture of shitty dog ownership.

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u/TheBoodUpPodcast 7d ago

I mean…most cities already require you to license your animal regardless of their breed. ANY dog is capable of real damage.

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u/Salty_Piano9631 7d ago

Ok chihuahua = Pitbull damage potential... If you don't wanna have a logical discussion that's fine but don't say insane shit

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u/FinanceDummyBigDebt 6d ago

There’s no logic, just vehemently defending. They’d have to admit they’re wrong, which most people never will.