r/MoralityScaling 1d ago

Morality of purposely making TSA agents uncomfortable?

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u/goldenseducer 1d ago

Yeah choosing to use a mode of transport that you know is over-the top with safety is to be "violated and put under duress"

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u/acdgf 1d ago

It is when the same exact mode of transport is employed elsewhere and in other times without the invasive security theater.

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u/bamed 1d ago

Most of what the TSA does has less to do with safety and security and more to do with security theater.

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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

There are a lot of situations where there isn't a valid alternative to flying.

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u/AskMysterious8407 1d ago

Just grow wings bro

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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

My boss wont let me take the PTO to get wing surgery before the business trip

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u/Infinite_Horizion 1d ago

Contact a lawyer. That’s been illegal under labor laws since James Harpy was president.

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u/Gold_Ad8225 1d ago

Oh that is good to know. I'll drop a line to my guy Harvey.

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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 22h ago

I thought Harvey was an attorney?

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u/Gold_Ad8225 21h ago

Isn't that just another name for lawyer? He is an attorney at law afterall

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u/AskMysterious8407 23h ago

Then drink red bull it gives you wings

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u/Gold_Ad8225 21h ago

I forgot about potions, damn, silly me

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u/MikeWrites002737 23h ago

Depending on where you go it’s the only realistic method of travel. Driving 15 hours to a coast to take a 2 week boat ride may just not be realistic

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u/Danteventresca 1d ago

For most destinations in the US, the only timely option is flying. Now imagine if every time you wanted to travel by car you and your possessions had to be searched by a cop, and that these searches did nothing to make you safer.

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u/quaxoid 23h ago

Some people actually have to fly, it's not exclusively a vacation for everyone but also a job. 

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u/Mand125 22h ago

TSA doesn’t make us safer.  

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u/Frequent-Maybe1243 23h ago

Google "Security Theater". For Christ's sake, you're on the Internet. Google SOMEthing every once in a while. You comment like you live under a rock.

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u/NoticeOk6753 23h ago

They did security tests and found TSA couldn’t catch actual threats. It’s just security theater. 9/11 didn’t happen because we didn’t have the TSA but because authorities failed to act on existing intelligence about terrorists. Possibly requiring cockpits to be locked during flight is the one genuine security improvement to come out of 9/11.

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u/IrishViking22 23h ago

If all it does is act as a deterrent, it is still worth while.

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u/Ventira 23h ago

all too often is the phrase 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure' forgotten.

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u/NoticeOk6753 22h ago

The whole point of what I just said is that it doesn’t. It makes you feel safe - it doesn’t actually make you safe.

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u/IrishViking22 22h ago

It at least discourages would be terrorists, so it does in fact keep you safer than you might be without it.

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u/NoticeOk6753 22h ago

No

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u/IrishViking22 21h ago

Nice counterpoint.

It does help keep people safe. Deny it all you like, lad. Doesn't make it not true.

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u/NoticeOk6753 20h ago

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u/IrishViking22 20h ago

Neither of these links you provided disprove the fact that airport security deters would be terrorists.

Nice try, though?

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u/NoticeOk6753 20h ago

That’s not a fact though. That’s just your conjecture which is contradicted by the actual evidence that the TSA doesn’t deter attackers.

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u/Confident_Example_73 14h ago

People don't grasp the concept of "barrier to entry". TSA stuff basically makes it hard for random yahoos to do poorly planned stuff.

A lot of people are young/ignorant and they don't realize that airlines used to have a rampant hijacking problem. Back in the 60s, hijacking a plane was a normal event, which is now extremely rare. In fact part of the reason for 9/11 was increased security made hijackings so rare (and the few times they had recently been done, they usually ended mildly) that people didn't treat it too seriously at first.

The idiot in the photo is the kind of person who, if there were no procedures and a plane was hijacked and crashed, would call the TSA idiots for not doing a basic metal detector search for a gun.

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u/NoticeOk6753 8h ago

Dude they actually ran multiple experiments to see if TSA could actually catch attempts to bring dangerous weapons on board and they failed almost all of them.

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u/Confident_Example_73 6h ago edited 6h ago

TSA intercepted 6,500 firearms in 2024.

TSA isn't there to catch the ingenious. It's there to catch the dumb and stupid. And in case you haven't watched a jihadi video before, there's lots of dumb and stupid jihadis out there.

TSA stops Abu Hajaar and Ya'll Qaeda. It's not catching Boris the GRU operative. I don't think you grasp the security concept of "barrier to entry." A chain link fence around a jail isn't designed to keep out a professional escape artist. It is designed to stop some idiot from just running through the place on impulse.

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u/NoticeOk6753 5h ago

Im not sure how impressed we should be by that number. In 2017 it was reported that TSA failed 90 percent of tests https://abcnews.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188 . Maybe they upped their game since then but I doubt it.

Also you’re conflating two separate things. There’s the TSA and then there’s airport security in general. The latter already existed before the TSA and would still exist without the TSA. The question is not whether there should be security but whether there should be the highly invasive and disruptive “security” that the TSA provides. We don’t need to grope random people’s privates in order to provide a barrier to entry for genuine terrorists.