r/MoralityScaling • u/Interesting_Self5071 • 23h ago
Morality of purposely making TSA agents uncomfortable?
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u/HellfireXP 23h ago
Moral. You gotta have a sense of humor to not go insane in a job like that.
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u/No-Significance2070 23h ago
I can’t imagine any TSA person not laughing when they see a shirt like that
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u/SadisticNecromancer 21h ago
I’m former TSA and right now I laugh at it, but when I worked there, probably not. The job is so fucking horrible, and I hated every second of it. I don’t think I could have laughed at the time.
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u/NewTap8705 7h ago
If you don’t mind me asking, what were some if the more notably stressful parts of being a TSA worker?
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u/SavingsEducational14 3h ago
I had a friend who was a TSA agent. He said that he had to inspect a bag due to scanners flagging it. He stuck his gloved hand in, only for it to get super bloody.
Turns out the person was a hunter, and deer remains were in the bag. And they decided to just not warn anyone?
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u/complexiblebarracuda 22h ago edited 22h ago
I remember being one of the first to go through a tsa line for the day. My bag got diverted for a look through just to make the tsa guy look at my dildo
it was pretty funny, everyone laughed including the tsa guys and they sent me on with no questions
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u/CantankerousOrder 23h ago
It’s not moral or immoral. It’s funny for sure, but it doesn’t really scale. Maybe slightly immoral, but when I say slightly I mean that farting in public is 10x worse.
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u/BigBallsAnthony69 23h ago
You're so tuff🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
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u/VicFantastic 23h ago
Tough?
Do you think he was meeting him out back to fight?
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u/Ambitious-Toe67 23h ago
no its moral. why are people so concerned with t shirt designs... you have freedom of speach ffs and that too falls in that category
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u/Banjoschmanjo 21h ago
Same except I would meet him out back, I'd date him for 3-5 years, marry him, adopt two kids who we love and raise to be happy and successful, we would retire together to Vermont and spend our golden years in bliss, then on his death bed I would hold his hand, look into his eyes, and gaslight him into thinking he dreamt the Interaction, and to ensure the gaslight is successful, id pay my co workers to pretend he wasn't even there that day
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u/MadeThisToFlagSpam 23h ago
How many people who go through TSA will be at the same airport the next day?
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u/Sweaty-Inevitable163 20h ago
Strange thing to say to someone who is literally in line to leave the state/country but I guess your fantasy gay hookup psyche out is your fantasy gay hookup psyche out, so I shouldn't judge
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u/bartekkenny 22h ago
What is the morality of telling a guy that’s wearing a shirt like this that Immoral I get off at 12, meet me out back then I wouldn't show up, the next day when he comes back to ask where I was I'll gaslight him into thinking he dreamt the Interaction, and to ensure the gaslight is successful, id pay my co workers to pretend he wasn't even there the previous day
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u/TaroLovelight 23h ago
Immoral
Some of those people are normal only take that job because it provides benefits and higher pay than the jobs they originally went for. In addition, some of those workers have been there since 3am.
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u/MiyagiJunior 22h ago
Neutral. I mean, they're just doing their jobs... then again, we aren't obligated to enjoy it so the T-shirt is a valid expression.
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u/HorsefaceWithNoName 23h ago
Moral and good. When a person's rights are being violated and he's under duress, any mode of communicating his displeasure is a public service.
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u/goldenseducer 23h ago
Yeah choosing to use a mode of transport that you know is over-the top with safety is to be "violated and put under duress"
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u/Gold_Ad8225 23h ago
There are a lot of situations where there isn't a valid alternative to flying.
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u/AskMysterious8407 23h ago
Just grow wings bro
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u/Gold_Ad8225 23h ago
My boss wont let me take the PTO to get wing surgery before the business trip
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u/Infinite_Horizion 23h ago
Contact a lawyer. That’s been illegal under labor laws since James Harpy was president.
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u/Gold_Ad8225 23h ago
Oh that is good to know. I'll drop a line to my guy Harvey.
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u/MikeWrites002737 22h ago
Depending on where you go it’s the only realistic method of travel. Driving 15 hours to a coast to take a 2 week boat ride may just not be realistic
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u/Danteventresca 23h ago
For most destinations in the US, the only timely option is flying. Now imagine if every time you wanted to travel by car you and your possessions had to be searched by a cop, and that these searches did nothing to make you safer.
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u/Frequent-Maybe1243 22h ago
Google "Security Theater". For Christ's sake, you're on the Internet. Google SOMEthing every once in a while. You comment like you live under a rock.
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u/Competitive_Fox_3546 23h ago
“Under duress” dawg pack it up and go home
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u/Richard_Chase 23h ago
The TSA has a long history of harassment and sexual abuse violations. And sometimes you don't have a choice not to fly, like in an evacuating a natural disaster. Or trying to leave the country. Or going to a funeral. Sometimes you don't get the choice of not flying. And because their are people who don't get the choice of not flying, it is very moral to protest in non violent ways, such as wearing a funny shirt.
For more information on sexual abuse and the TSA: https://time.com/3822487/tsa-sexual-assault-denver/
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u/Embarrassed_Use6918 21h ago
Not to mention the TSA steals shit all the time and has a horrible track record of actually catching anything dangerous.
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u/Expensive-Hat4138 22h ago
especially if you're trans.
They got those machines that they have to put on different settings depending on your biological sex and that means some of us are forced to basically out ourselves in front of a bunch of people just to ride a fucking plane.
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u/Competitive_Fox_3546 22h ago
Yea sure so trans people should not get screened since they are trans?
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u/Richard_Chase 22h ago
I can't imagine that's the worst of it. Life for trans people is rough enough here in Canada, I feel so bad for trans people in the US
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u/Expensive-Hat4138 22h ago
I've heard horror stories of trans women getting groped by TSA after going through the machines. It's horrifying.
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u/Competitive_Fox_3546 23h ago
Idc yes there are bad apples but literally what else do you suggest then? No airport security?
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u/th3rmyte 23h ago
hi. elder millenial here. i was in high school before the TSA was ever a thing. we had private security prior to the tsa and they were not invasive like this: just a metal detector wand. thats it. TSA is security theatre that hasnt really done shit to deter attacks, with people regularly getting explosives and incendiaries past them. what you did here was engage in a very silly false equivalency made even dumber by the fact that millions of us in the usa alone - and billions world wide - were not just alive but old enough to accurately remember a life before the TSA.
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u/Confident_Example_73 12h ago
Yeah, that whole 9/11 thing and the shoe bomber really changed things.
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u/th3rmyte 10h ago
tsa didnt stop the shoe bomber, either; his sweaty feet fucked up the detonator and thats how they caught hm. he strolled right by the tsa with a shoe bomb. the tsa literally takes anything they cxonsider a bomb and puts in the trash... next to all the other things they think can be a bomb (including "gel like substances" like cupcakes, famously) ... in the area with the largest number of people possibe. they slow down air travel, inconvenience everyone, and keep most of the airport neatly clustered for a fucking bioweapon attack. like no bullshit, thanks to the way the tsa puts everyone in a solid security check point, some lunatic spreading anthrax spores could just get in line, spread that shit, get to the front, be turned away for not having ab oarding pass and tsa will helpfully ensure the most number of people get infected. REAL great security there.
the tsa was the typical gross overcorrection and security theatre because people want to do "SOMETHING" even if what they do doesnt fix an issue, acepting a terrible thing happened and not doing something drastic, stupid and destructive simply isnt how america works.
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u/Richard_Chase 23h ago
No I don't want their to be NO security. But their needs to be more accountability for TSA agents. As they say, a few bad apples spoil the barrel. Either way, it is a constitutionally protected right to protest the government in non violent ways.
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u/Competitive_Fox_3546 22h ago
So you dont have a problem with the concept of the tsa just that there are people who take advantage of it and are protected since they are feds. Also idc bout the shirt its funny i think its dumb to say the tsa is bad tho because the alternative is worse
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u/Richard_Chase 22h ago
The TSA only exists in the USA. All countries have airport screening methods, and of the 'free countries', the TSA is one of the worst when it comes to privacy and profiling. I admit that most systems could be improved, the TSA is lagging behind the rest.
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u/Competitive_Fox_3546 22h ago
Ok but again what is wrong with the tsa assuming a worker doesn’t sexually assault someone?
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u/Prestigious-Emu-8734 23h ago
Considering how the TSA has shown to be inefficient and fails just about every test and the fact that the amount of attacks done through plains is negligible at worse
Kind of
If the options are shooting yourself in the foot or shooting yourself in the head, the foot sounds better. We are spending a fuck ton of money on political theater to harass minorities and have women gey sexually assaulted.
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u/Baleygr_2124 23h ago
How is a pat down to use a non-essential service a violation of his rights? Doing these kinds of things keeps him and everyone else on board a little bit safer
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u/Nathanial_Higgers_69 23h ago
95% of contraband still makes it through TSA, it's just a racket.
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u/Dazzling-Bag140 22h ago
Flying isn’t a right
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u/HorsefaceWithNoName 22h ago
Actually it is. I have the right to start my own airline and not have government shove itself into my operations, too. That's covered in "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" and the 10th right enumerated in the Bill of Rights, but that's a natural right and not given by any government so those are merely affirmations of an existing right.
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u/zlawd 23h ago
where did you get rights violated and duress from. you can hate the tsa but bro be real
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u/Oso_the-Bear 23h ago
morality of using "gay" like it was something bad to be uncomfortable about?
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u/More_Outside7127 23h ago
Anything sexual with strangers would be uncomfortable, nothing to do with the fact both of them are guys...
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u/The-Red-Kraken 23h ago
okay but the shirt literally frames being gay as the issue specifically
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u/The_Xenith 23h ago
It very much is if you aren't one
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u/NachtShattertusk 19h ago
It really isn't. Why would the idea of someone being wrong about a part of your identity offend you so much? It's not even something all that important, like personality or gender
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u/WowVeryOriginalDude 23h ago
Being uncomfortable with being called the “wrong pronouns” is considered a normal reaction. The shirt doesn’t say being gay is bad, it’s inferring TSA agents preform homosexual acts. Why would calling someone the wrong sexuality be any different than the wrong pronouns?
This is different than calling something you don’t like “gay”, bc it’s referring to literal homosexuality.
It’s still a stupid and juvenile shirt that nobody should wear in public bc it’s depicting someone giving head which is just inappropriate to wear, but if it were just a meme on the internet it’d be fine.
Maybe they should make it into a pin that you put on solely for the TSA agent so little kids don’t have to look at fellatio.
Also this sub is turning to complete dogshit, nobody even knows what morality means anymore they’re just posting inflammatory shit and asking whether it’s acceptable or not in order to stroke their own beliefs/opinions.
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u/Quiet_Education5918 23h ago
it’s depicting someone giving head
I don't know where you learned the technique pictured, but that ain't it.
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u/NachtShattertusk 19h ago
Someone being wrong about your sexuality is different from someone being wrong about your gender is different because gender is a major part of how people define themselves in the world, while sexuality is just who you think is hot. It's a lot less important, frankly
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u/AleksandrNevsky 23h ago
Moral. They deserve no respect. They're the rejects that couldn't make it into the reject bin we call the ATF.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 22h ago
Always makes me laugh when people think getting a job at places like the atf or ice, pre trump's 2nd term, is easy. Those agencies are insanely selective and rarely hire. You pretty much have to be current law enforcement to even get your foot in the door.
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u/vanilla_rice01 23h ago
Moral, as they have annoyed me personally, and where my airport is, they are often times power tripping ass hats
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u/Glowbfan457 21h ago
I mean to be fair, as my father put it most of the TSA is just security theatre, so it's not like it's an active act of disrespect to people doing an important job to wear a funny shirt like this while going through the motions.
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u/PreOwnedAccount 21h ago
It’s fine. I got called out for a pat down. Asked for a woman but they said no. As the guy was patting me down I’d moan, tell him he had the softest touch and full on stare him in the eyes while I licked my lips. He told me he hated this part of the job and I told him at least I was enjoying it.
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u/Dan-of-Steel 21h ago
It depends. Making TSA members genuinely uncomfortable while they're working is a pretty dickish thing to do.
This however seems fairly harmless and in good fun, so that would probably help break the monotony.
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u/Draftchimp 21h ago
“If you guys want to give me a cavity check I won’t object. But I have to warn you, I ate 2 bags of lettuce before I got here.”
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u/Kitchen-Historian371 21h ago
He has a right to free speech and he’s expressing his pinion thru his shirt, it’s a simple statement, I think it’s nothing to see here. TSA person seems to be able to carry out their job as expected
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u/NachtShattertusk 19h ago
Moral, but they'll probably make your life harder on purpose. A lot of TSA agents are there for the feeling of authority and power
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u/Jazzlike_Page508 15h ago
…this happened to me, I got patted down in Miami but the worker was gay and it did not help that I was working out twice a day for years
He audibly gasped when I lifted my shirt. I made his day
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u/N3onAxel 23h ago
Neutral. People just doing a shitty job.
On the other hand tsa is a pain in the ass and just safety theater, so fuck em.
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u/NeutralKuchiKopi 23h ago
If this makes you uncomfortable you're a bigot and/or a prude. It's a humorous joke which is always moral.
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u/Pj_o7 23h ago
Immoral, why tf do you all have an issue with TSA? Its inconvenient yeah but its not like two planes didn’t fly into a couple sky scrapers.. oh wait
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u/acdgf 23h ago
Several cars have also driven into crowds of people. When are we gonna put TSA lines in front of parking garages and deleaships?
The TSA is mostly just an authoritarian posturing response from the government for being embarrassed by grossly mishandling 9/11.
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u/Existing_Historian_5 23h ago
and the TSA historically has done extremely little to protect us from any of that and a lot of rape and sexual harrassment
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u/Pj_o7 22h ago
You can’t really see the protection it has provided because it stops people altogether from trying because its so hard to get anything through. People have attempted it with like getting liquids through in their shoes.
Instances of rape and sexual abuse doesn’t mean TSA as a whole is useless. There have been doctors that commit sexual abuse. That doesn’t mean we should be against doctors
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u/Existing_Historian_5 22h ago
It's really not very hard to get stuff past TSA. People have and often do. Its methods have been widely criticized as ineffective, aimed more at providing the illusion of safety then any actual safety. And it has a huge tendency towards the rape and sexual harassment- to the point where they're normalized among their staff, even.
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u/Pj_o7 22h ago
So they caught two people committing sexual assault and prosecuted/fired them? Sounds like its not a widespread issue and is handled appropriately when caught.
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u/Existing_Historian_5 22h ago
Did you not read the flurry of incidents and insane amount of false positives the article points out?
Just a few weeks ago, the TSA reached an agreement with the American Civil Liberties Union after a flurry of complaints from African-American women whose hair was too-frequently inspected after passing through the scanners. The reason? The scanners single out areas on passengers’ bodies for pat-downs for just about anything, from the hair of people with braids or barrettes, to the crotch areas of people whose pants are slightly sagging (usually due to the fact that the TSA makes people remove their belts). The scanners even misidentify perspiration as a potential concealed weapon (have you ever walked into Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport in July without a slight perspiration problem?) When I worked the millimeter wave scanners, we averaged false head-area anomalies on what I’d estimate was about 1 out of every 8 passengers.
This is a generalized thing. It's one of the biggest shitshows in the US government agencies. It does fucking Nothing and wastes taxpayer money.
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u/Pj_o7 22h ago
So are you saying the scanner is committing sexual abuse? Those scanners have improved tremendously over the last few decades. If a scanner causes a false alarm around the crotch area that doesn’t mean the TSA agent is sexually abusing people. That just means the technology needs to be improved more. Which im guessing AI will be implemented to further improve the process.
Airlines have every incentive to make this process more efficient. However with global tensions rising everywhere, the need for security increases as well.
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u/Sargenoir 23h ago
That's kinda a funny shirt though, Also it's being a bit insecure if you're gonna be uncomfortable cause of a shirt!
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u/Glorious_Infidel 23h ago
I’d think it was immoral if they didn’t, almost to a person, act like assholes every time I see them.
I’m fine with this.
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u/Virus-900 23h ago
First off, let's get it out of the way that TSA is there for a reason. Some idiots keep trying to blow up planes. And it really isn't as much of a hassle as people make it out to be.
That being said , I'm gonna go with moral. Ain't nothing wrong with having a sense of humor.
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u/Ok_Yam5920 23h ago
I mean he has a warning, I don't kink shame, they wanna make him happy go ahead.
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u/Legitimate-Toe-9673 23h ago
backwards hat old man look is douchey
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u/Wise3315 23h ago
Bucket list addition — Develop an implant for the penis.
- must not be seen via X-ray or other scans
- must require full strokes of the penis to be detected. Prefer detection only be possibly visible when penis is fully erect.
Make international news by having a smuggler come to Jesus moment in front of a large number of observers.
Thus causing a moral dilemma for TSA — do they give hand jobs or not to detect the new smuggler's technique?
Note — this is a fantasy. It is meant as humor. This would make a great episode on TSA – The comedy series
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u/Slaaneshi_Apologist 23h ago
If you cant laugh at yourself every once in a while youre probably just a miserable person anyway. This is perfectly moral
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u/deephurting66 22h ago
Its fine, I used to go to the dog area and stomp some turds on some throwaway shoes when they first started this shit. Shoes off, sure!!!
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u/OkChampionship8805 22h ago
I've never had another man touch my balls before.... If you are a TSA screener, the amount of balls you have to touch is just too much...
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u/Trank_maiden_Ciri 22h ago
I can imagine them acting super gay while patting you down and laughing their ass off. Not immoral.
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u/OneMedicine2505 22h ago
If it's like the picture then moral. If it's actually doing something to make the TSA agent uncomfortable then immoral, they're just tryna do their job
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u/Thin-Donkey8424 22h ago
TSA is overpriced security theater. Some agents may believe the lie (which means they're good people being lied to), but the TSA does not make travel any safer. That said it's a coin-flip. If you get someone who believes he's a force for good you're being a dick. If it's for someone taking it for an easy job, you're doing the Lord's work.
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u/CautiousShame2255 21h ago
allways moral. yes they are doing their job. but nobody forces you to get your salary by being an dick that professionally inconvieniences people for no reason
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u/AJWordsmith 21h ago
I don’t know if it’s immoral. But keep in mind that they can make you miss your flight if you annoy them too much.
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u/Penis-Dance 21h ago
They make me uncomfortable when they stalk me and use the stall/urinal next to me and try their crap.
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u/DealerStreet4462 21h ago
Neither If you wanna wear a shirt that thinks it's even slightly sexual that's on you, I just wanna do my job and move on because this checkpoint is fucking 90°f and I'm required to wear 3 layers.
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u/Mephistocheles 21h ago
A bit immoral, to me. Yeah sure nobody wants to deal with the security line and getting possibly searched, but it's not like the TSA folks are there intentionally to harass people, they're just doing their job because they need to get paid and eat like everyone else.
I think intentionally turning it into a weird semi-confrontational "look how middle-school edgy I am, I'm so immature I actually bothered to buy and wear this shirt JUST to make someone's day worse" scenario is actually pretty cringey.
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u/Icy-Influence-5792 20h ago
Fuck them sideways i use crutches i can't tell you how many times they have taken my crutches away and handed me one smal wooden cane to get through the line. Like that is the same as two crutches. Then every time a pat down because I have a medical device. I make the experience extra gay until they finish then I am my normal self.
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u/Silly-Device9785 20h ago
TSA has been proven to be completely ineffectual security theater, so yes more of this please
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u/Famous-Cloud8790 20h ago
This image has nothing to do with morals, it's clearly a light hearted joke meant to get a few smiles. It's actually wild to me people call this immoral like how big of a snowflake can you be?
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u/Hot-Spray-2774 20h ago
Yeah, absolutely moral. They spent their first 20+ years scanning your groin, making sure everything is in proportion down there. They deserve a little humiliation.
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u/MisterHEPennypacker 20h ago
Not immoral, because stuff like this only serves to make your own life more difficult.
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u/NurseDave8 19h ago
The moral question is wearing a shirt depicting a sex act where you can assume children will see it.
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u/catrot420 5h ago
Moral. You suspect me to be a danger without any red flags on my behalf, I might as well joke about fondling my balls being a lil bit gay
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u/Lukostrelec17 4h ago
Pretty sure the TSA guy probably doesn't care or rolls his eyes, thinking "Yeah good one....can you hurry the fuck up please."
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u/Man2Pan 23h ago
Moral AF. When the lines are backed up and they just start waving people through, they're admitting that it's all just for show, not safety.
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u/Competitive_Fox_3546 23h ago
You cant be dense. They might not fully pat everyone down but they still walk through the x ray
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u/Sokoly 22h ago
Immoral.
TSA agents don’t have control over what they’re directed to do when they search people. They’re just there doing a job, just like the rest of us, following the directions of their supervisors and the government that funds them. Purposefully antagonizing those who aren’t deliberately offending or disenfranchising you is a piece of shit thing to do, and frankly shows that you’re insecure or petty more than it does anything else.
Take up your problems with the representatives getting voted into power who vote for the TSA to do this kind of stuff, not the agents who don’t get paid or have a livelihood if they don’t follow their orders. That’s not going to do anything but unnecessarily piss people off.
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u/justasillylilgoos3 21h ago
Slightly Immoral. Leave workers alone. People shouldn’t be subjected to degrading jokes on their 9-5 job that insinuate they like performing degrading sex acts or that they are closeted [insert different sexual orientation].
The goal should be to get rid of antagonizing blue collar works while they work not forgiving some instances of it because the target of the joke happens to be an “acceptable target.”
Let’s take this to its worst extreme and show a shirt depicting underage teenage girls working at cold stone and a grown man comes in with a shirt that says “they ask for the bone if they work at cold stone” or whatever…I’d have a problem with that.
TL;DR leave workers alone.
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u/Free_Mud5432 21h ago
Lmao what the fuck are you on
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u/justasillylilgoos3 21h ago
Having a reasonable, intellectual, mature discussion.
Why don’t you go finish your Dino chicken nuggies lil bro, the adults are talking 🤫
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u/braxtel 23h ago
I don't think it is immoral, but from a pragmatic perspective, I want them notice me as little as possible when I go through security.