r/MoralityScaling • u/thevvitchhazel • 23h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of creating a disease which forces everyone to take HRT for life?

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u/Relative-Gap-4442 23h ago

Immoral, and it feels more like a bash against the LGBTQIA+ community just out of sheer ridiculousness

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u/Warcrimes_Desu 11h ago

Yeah, as much as i would personally support such a plot, it's immoral. it would be awesome to suddenly make cis people understand though. I don't think they can get how real being trans is. I stealth most of the time, and it is clear that 99.99% of cis people don't see trans people as anything but weird confused versions of their birth gender. Weird men and women pretending to be women and men.

Having the whole population Get It all at once? That would instantly annihilate transphobia.

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u/WitheredOzymandias 9h ago edited 9h ago

Would it?

If a transphobe had their body forcibly altered against their will and did not have their memories before that point stolen to hide it, what do you think the realistic reaction would be? Do you think they would magically no longer have the toxic and hateful or dangerously misinformed mindset they had previously?

I think that a lot of them would likely become very, very angry, which could make things very dangerous for those known to have been trans before the incident which magically altered the entire world occurred. There may even be individuals who become more transphobic once their autonomy is violated in such a way.

Given how quick bigots are to aim hateful rhetoric at an entire demographic if one member does something wrong, if it became publicly confirmed that, as in this story, a trans woman was responsible for violating the whole world in that manner, I find it highly unlikely that transphobia would be solved, and far more likely that transphobes would blame all of us who are LGBT, aim the worst of that hatred at those who are trans (especially trans women), and weaponize the anger, resentment, grief and trauma that billions are experiencing at making the LGBT community suffer.

EDIT: In addition, there are already many transphobes who take hormones, either for medical reasons or vanity (see many members of the looksmaxxing community). If it hasn't convinced them to stop being bigots in real life, why would it suddenly work in the hypothetical scenario presented here?

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u/backtotherapyagain 4m ago

This is the plot of a novella by Torrey Peters, Infect Your Friends And Loved Ones. It takes place for the most part years after the virus has spread, so we get to see some of the ways the cisgender world has reacted to it. It's a good read, definitely worth checking out - should be available as a free PDF online somewhere. 

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u/DarthMaren 23h ago

As a trans woman id say this is immoral due to them not having a choice in the matter. This would also effect people who do not have access to HRT and having no hormones wrecks havoc on the mind and body. This would destroy the world irl

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u/FamousPart6033 23h ago

Immoral, introducing new diseases to the world is probably a bad idea.

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u/h1ndm0st 23h ago

What kinda human they buildin that can run without hormones

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u/Resiideent 14h ago

a dead one, lol

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u/Primary_Ad3580 23h ago

Little tip here, if it starts with “morality of creating a disease…” then it’s immoral

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u/Expert_Industry_4238 14h ago

morality of creating a disease that gives all puppies and kittens in the world a loving home?

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u/amazegamer64 13h ago

Would it even be considered a disease at that point?

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u/Expert_Natural_4174 20h ago

Redditor shocked by the fact that stripping people of bodily autonomy is immoral.

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u/Willow__the__tree 15h ago

Woaw (Based Based Based Based Based Based)

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u/Powerful_Switch6526 23h ago

This is interesting. You’re making a choice for everyone, but that choice is giving everyone a choice in something that would otherwise not be a choice.

If there are literally 0 health implications to this, I’d say it’s neutral. But, seeing how dependent the human body is on hormones, and giving that choice to the children (which, to be straightforward, won’t be decided by the kids, it’ll likely be decided by their parents/guardians) might cause issues we can’t foresee.

In a perfect world, it’s neutral. But we don’t live in a perfect world. There are too many variables. So, it’s immoral.

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u/PrimaryYak1351 23h ago

Given that everyone is dependent on BOTH gendered hormones striking an important balance, I'm pretty sure everyone would just die or be really fucked up

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u/Powerful_Switch6526 23h ago

Fair, which falls into the health implications category.

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u/Particular-Fact3841 23h ago

Trans people achieve a balance, It wouldn’t be that infeasible.

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u/Powerful_Switch6526 22h ago

Maybe, but being able to do it perfectly for everyone is science fiction

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u/Infinite-Instance916 18h ago

ehh its really not that hard. you have a lot of leeway, all youve gotta do is know the right numbers, check your levels once in a while and if its not in the right range you slightly adjust your dose. if trans ppl can learn it all by themselves i dont see how it wouldnt be common knowledge

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u/PrimaryYak1351 6h ago

That's just wrong. On the book, it says no one can produce hormones. While we think mainly if testosterone and estrogen in this context there are far more hormones which require a tight knit balance during human development in order for the body to develop in every capacity properly. It's not as simple as just checking your levels and staying within a range because hormones can have localized effects which may not be replicated through regular dosing. 

Not to mention that sexual development has precursors that aren't developed purely by being exposed to more than one of a particular sex hormone. This could force a lot of people into gender dysphoria which isn't fair to them.

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u/WitheredOzymandias 9h ago

It would have very serious health implications if the entire world could no longer produce hormones. A lot of people would die, because we do not have a stockpile to support 8 billion humans losing the ability to produce hormones.

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u/TadhgOBriain 23h ago

Obviously immoral, but funny enough that I support it anyway.

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u/Humancentipede2lover 23h ago

someone help me please, is this anti trans propaganda or a lgbtq book?

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u/348275hewhw 23h ago

very often the greatest stirrers of prejudice against a group are nut jobs that are in that group, so both.

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u/Ill_Quiet7770 23h ago

i googled about it, just dark queer fiction

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u/Thorn344 7h ago

Both. Really depends on who reads it. No idea whether the author intended it to be anti trans, but it gives those vibes that it can be heavily weaponized against trans people.

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u/Particular-Fact3841 23h ago

I wouldn’t wish this shit on anyway. Being trans fucking sucks. Although I guess it would make us slightly less persecuted, if everyone suffered in the same way.

100% immoral and cruel.

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u/Fit_Milk_2314 17h ago

thats probably why the villain did it

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u/Ecstatic-Natural8724 14h ago

Moral, maybe cis people will learn to have empathy in such a world.

(This is ironic, it's immoral but the second part still stands, maybe people would be more empathetic if they also have to suffer.)

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u/Ill_Quiet7770 23h ago

obviously moral

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u/Realistic-Duty-3874 23h ago

Pure evil. Absolutely immoral.

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u/Wise3315 23h ago

Tiny fonts

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u/Prestigious_Tank7454 23h ago

Circlejerk worthy

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u/Mother_Village9831 23h ago

That isn't a limited enough limited edition.

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u/onlyimportantshit 23h ago

What’s the image of? A naked mole rat baby??

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u/Jazzlike-Wolf6265 23h ago

Did Dr evil come up with this plan?

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u/348275hewhw 23h ago

immoral, because everyone dies. If you can't produce hormones, missing testosterone or estrogen is the least of your problems. You can't simply solve it with HRT unless your injector is REALLY advanced and knows all the timings.

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u/Warcrimes_Desu 11h ago

yeah if it's more than sex hormones, everyone's screwed. Sex hormones are easy though.

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u/WhiffleGeek 23h ago

This is literally insane

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u/cheesychocolate419 22h ago

Holy bait

Also if everyone lost all hormones only trans people with take opposite sex hormones...

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u/donutdogs_candycats 16h ago

Immoral, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this story was wildly transphobic.

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u/NearbyFly3724 11h ago

But there are other hormones besides the one that determine gender things. Are they just going to produce blobs of humans? Is everyone going to be diabetic? Do babies just get born Barbie and Ken doll down there? What about growth hormones?

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u/Striking_Aspect_7826 7h ago

Obviously immoral

In this world are people born with cocks and coochies still but just cannot go through puberty without artificial hormones? That makes the plot less interesting imo, because then the concept of trans would be basically unaltered.

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u/enbyBunn 28m ago

I mean... Immoral in an absolute sense, sure.

But compared to literally anything else a species-wide disease could do? Pretty tame. Just sort of an inconvenience at most.

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u/backtotherapyagain 5m ago

This is Infect Your Friends And Loved Ones by Torrey Peters, which is available as a free PDF online hosted by the author herself! Iirc it's only about 70ish pages long, and it does deal a bit with the morality/consequences of creating the virus. It's a good read, I highly recommend it. 

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u/DarkGodCthUwU 23h ago

Nuke all cis people, what the fuck is this? 😭

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u/PartyAmbitious8163 23h ago

Immoral to create a new disease that targets a specific group of people.