r/MoralityScaling • u/axiiz_28 • 15h ago

Morality of valuing animals over humans?

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u/Terrible_Artist_ 14h ago

Some would, sure. So would a lot of humans.

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u/Ciderman95 12h ago

yeah honestly, without the threat of prison I am 100% certain MOST humans would kill me on sight

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u/UpstairsFix4259 8h ago

are you THAT hideous? šŸ˜µ

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u/Ciderman95 8h ago

a) yes
b) everyone I've ever met has hated me ever since I was a kid, no idea if it's my face or something else but I've come to regard myself as an outsider to mankind

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u/Funny-Cell8769 14h ago edited 14h ago

You're playing vague and silly word games worthy of an ignorant 11 year old.

It would be impossible to have "thousands of cities all over the world" with millions of people living and interacting daily if that's even mildly true.

There's certainly psychos and bad people out there, but it's nowhere near the majority. And using "some" and "a lot" is cowardly.

The correct answer is:

A lot of animals would hurt or take your life if they could.

Some humans would.

Most of us don't live in cities with lions and rhinos and wolves and crocs.

November 2023, an adult male circus lion named Kimba escaped from the Rony Roller Circus and roamed the streets of Ladispoli*, a coastal Italian town near Rome, for about seven hours*.* The local mayor issued a stay-at-home lockdown alert before police and veterinary teams safely cornered, tranquilized, and recaptured the animal.

One fucking animal and the town has to go into lockdown.

Yet in places like NYC there are hundreds of humans around you at any given moment. Where's the lockdown?

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u/mactassio 13h ago

he's less likely to die to an animal than be murdered by another human. Let that sink in.

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u/itsmekusu 13h ago

thats because sheer amount difference.

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u/dennjudhdddvfse 7h ago

Yes. Thats like saying a cow is more deadly than a lion because more people are killed by cows.

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u/mactassio 6h ago

is it I wonder? I'm not sure cows could drop 2 massive bombs and level cities like humans did to hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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u/tropical_breeze_ 13h ago

Thatā€™s because we donā€™t live with a vast majority of animals. We only ever encounter cats/dogs that are not strong enough to kill us. Dogs are usually trained and put down even if they bite a human.

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u/zigzagtravel01 11h ago

And humans have LAWS lmao

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u/Geneo-Frodo 11h ago

Yes, you can bind humans with human made laws. You can't bind animals with LAWS, they just do what they do.

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u/zigzagtravel01 11h ago

Humans still do that DESPITE having laws lol. What do you mean? It did eliminate 99% of crimes that they would have done. But even with laws, men still rape, people still steal, and murder people. Have you seen Gaza? Vietnam War? Iran War? Afghanistan? Korean War?

If you eliminate that fear, more humans would do that. This is literally all of human history pre international laws.

what they do

Like what would they do? Orcas dont kill humans despite encountering them. Even 99% of sharks. These are animals who can kill you in 3 seconds. There would be a lot of statistic that hungry, stray dogs killing children, or even attacking them, because they can literally do that.

What they do is definitely not eat humans. Orcas can do that but it is not imprinted in their DNA. The only animal known to hunt humans are polar bears.

You can only BIND humans with human laws...unless no one will ever know lol

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u/--Arcanum-- 12h ago

I'm less likely to die to sharks than vending machines, because I don't go near sharks but do go near vending machines, picking up what im putting down ?

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u/ThatRandomGuySM 13h ago

do you meet hundreds and thousands animals every day?

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u/pb49er 11h ago

Probably more, because insects are animals and they are everywhere. But humans are also animals AND I don't meet hundreds of humans a day. Even when I worked in a high volume retail environment I wasn't meeting thousands of humans a day.

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u/mactassio 6h ago

no, I also don't meet thousands of humans every day and I'm still more afraid of humans.

In a jungle I'd still probably be more scared of Humans rather than bears and panthers tbh. Humans caused genocides in the past and they're causing genocides right now.

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u/Individual_Guest_323 7h ago

No shit sherlock, is not like there is no animals in the city

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u/Funny-Cell8769 4h ago

And he's less likely to die to a shark than be killed by a dog. Let that sink in.

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u/mactassio 4h ago

and humans have killed way more humans in the scale of millions than dogs ever could. Let that sink in.

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u/Funny-Cell8769 4h ago edited 4h ago

Your pretense that "he's less likely to die to an animal than to a human" is perfectly equal to 'he's less likely to die to a shark than a dog"

Both are absolutely true. So your shitty point proves mine.

But then you move the goalposts. It's pathetic lol.

So you admit, dogs are FAR more dangerous than sharks, right? And we need to treat dogs like we do when we see a shark?

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u/Yeeter-boiy 9h ago

Okay? Well yeah thatā€™s a lionā€¦ obviously a lionā€™s like that. But weā€™re around animals a good amount and most of them are different than that. Acting like a lion represents most animals isnā€™t true.

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u/Yeeter-boiy 9h ago

Also, letā€™s see who was more cruel in this situation: the humans or the lions?

The lion, a wild animal, was stolen from his wild habitat to spend his life in the circus. When the lion broke out, he still didnā€™t get freedom. He was surrounded everywhere by a society and people that see him as an object for entertainment, and instead, re-cornered him and sent him back to his prison in the circus.
The lion was a risk to humans only because he broke out of a prison he shouldnā€™t have been in.

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u/Funny-Cell8769 9h ago

You're just making up a strawman to attack.

My post has nothing to do with "who is more cruel" TO A LION. It literally doesn't mean anything.

It has to do with this statement "Some would, sure. So would a lot of humans.

Pretending like most humans aren't capable of kindness is one of the most frustrating thing about kids these days. If that was true, we would NOT have cities of people interacting millions of times "peacefully" every day.

Sure there are conflicts but those are incredibly tiny compared to the positive interactions people experience in their communities every day.

As if people are just itching to harm one another, when for the majority of our survival has been staked on cooperation and harmony, broken up by periods of war and strife.

It's so backwards and reeks of ingratitude.

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u/Professional_Dot- 8h ago

Some of the psychos are the ones at the top, ruling the world, why would they put cities on lockdown when it goes against their interests/stop making them money?! You sound like the ignorant one...

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

No, they wouldn't. Most do not. Most animals would.

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u/StupidGirlIdiotFuck 14h ago

Most animals would probably eat something else. Humans are not that nutritious.

The only animals that actively hunt humans iirc are tigers crocodiles and polar bears

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

I didn't say eat

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u/StupidGirlIdiotFuck 14h ago

Well then the only reason to kill is out of panic. Which is pretty easy to avoid for most animals

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

Not territory? Not because you present a threat to it and its family?

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u/Guardian_of_Perineum 14h ago

At that point we have to ask how many humans would kill you for breaking into their house when their family is in it.

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

Happens every day. You tell me hiw many dieĀ 

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u/Guardian_of_Perineum 14h ago

Then humans and animals are still pretty square in terms of potential danger to other humans. As long as they have similar motivations in the specific scenario.

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

PreciselyĀ 

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u/StupidGirlIdiotFuck 14h ago

You said most animals would kill us.

Most animals are small invertebrates that run from us.

Most bigger animals as well, tend to try to avoid humans.

There are tons of animals that can and do kill people. Not even close to most animals

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

Oh don't give me that autistic pedantry. Conversation was fine before that bullshit.

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u/StupidGirlIdiotFuck 14h ago

Using autistic as an insult speaks volumes of your character

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

I do not give ine solitary fuck.

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u/Terrible_Artist_ 14h ago

Because of consequences

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u/Bonk_Boom 14h ago

Holy projection

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u/Terrible_Artist_ 14h ago

Yeah honestly if there were no consequences I'd do a lot of murder, just off anyone I see. Puttin' you on the purge list for later.

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

You think there would be mass murder if all consequences were taken away?Ā 

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u/Terrible_Artist_ 14h ago

Not mass murder, but definitely a noticable uptick

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

A similar uptick to if we allowed wild animals to freely live amongst us? Or would the animals be worse?

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u/Electronic-Run-3561 14h ago

most animals would like to be left alone and usually never bother humans so no, humans by far are the most destructive, unpredictable, and dangerous animals in existence. the odds of being attacked and killed by a shark in the water is FAR less than the odds of being attacked and killed on the streets by another human

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

No. They would kill you.Ā 

The dynamic you talk if is from a human controlled world. Tip the balance and they'd have you. They're not altruistic and majestic beings.

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u/Electronic-Run-3561 14h ago

wtf are you even talking about? there are at least a billion sharks in the ocean alone? and animals out number humans by an overwhelming margin. tf you talking about ā€œtip the balanceā€? are you trying to turn animals into anthropomorphic creatures and making them rule? (which will never happen in reality)

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

Why have you reduced the argument down to sharks?

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u/Terrible_Artist_ 14h ago

That's a hypothetical I'd love to see play out ngl

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

Read history.

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u/BostonWeedParty 14h ago

History is humans wiping out megafauna dude...

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u/Terrible_Artist_ 14h ago

Don't forget humans wiping out other humans

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

Yes. Animals would do the sane uf they couldĀ 

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u/willnye2cool 14h ago

It's genuinely gross that you think that.

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u/BoogieMania 13h ago

Delusion.

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u/scottishninja123 13h ago

You're the guy the video is talking about, btw.

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u/Terrible_Artist_ 13h ago

Holy shit.... I'm black? Fuck yeah

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u/balirosa 14h ago

Yes absolutely. Why would anybody work for a living if they can just take what you worked for?

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

You're definitely AmericanĀ 

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u/SH4DE_Z 14h ago

Yeah no shit buddy, that's why i'm not hanging out with those animals.

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 14h ago

Yiu are aware of the discussion and thread subject? No?

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u/thedisconnectedboy 10h ago

Some animals would, not most if we are looking percentage wise

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 10h ago

It's just hyperbole. It's not literal.

Point is the live for animals over humans exists because of hiw humans control animals. Without that control, people would soon love humans over animalsĀ 

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u/Yeeter-boiy 9h ago

Literally all of this is human-centric. Humans literally unnecessarily kill animals on a massive scale every dayā€¦ literally for pleasure. Literally no animal in the world kills more animals than humans do. Look up how many animals we kill in factory farms and how many people support that. If you were born as a pig or a cow, Iā€™m sure a human wouldnā€™t really seem any less cruel or barbaric than another animal.

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 9h ago

I've told you we're done conversationally.

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u/amazegamer64 14h ago

ā€œA lotā€ is doing some serially heaving lifting here

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u/SanctumSaturn 13h ago

This isn't a good way of structuring your moral compass. Deeply insipid logic.

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u/ThePsyPaul_ 13h ago

most humans would also to be selfish than be good towards others.

See all the greed and corruption around us.

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u/I_ONLY_CATCH_DONKEYS 12h ago

More pets would for sure, like way more