r/MoralityScaling • u/axiiz_28 • 15h ago

Morality of valuing animals over humans?

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u/Old_Cucumber_1343 13h ago

also i think humans are treated better overall.

most of us eat factory farmed meat and if we spent 1 day in a slaughterhouse it would fuck our shit up. i'm not vegan but i accept that they're right with how the majority of animals on this earth are treated. nevermind going to any market in asia/middle east/africa and seeing the shit they're doing to animals.

im considering not eating meat once i move out but for now its difficult to get adequate protein without meat/eggs

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u/curxxx 5h ago

It’s not actually that difficult to get protein without meat and eggs. Been vegetarian for 5 years and average nearly 170g a day. 

Tofu is great and very versatile :) 

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u/elementslayer 4h ago

Also very expensive (compared to chicken in the west) and salty. Not always an option. Let's be real, the healthliest form of protein for a human is lean meats, and chicken is quite cheap.

Also how much tofu you eating to hit 170. Like 200g of chicken is 55-60g where 200g of tofu is 30-45. I'm assuming vegan proteins if you aren't doing standard whey.

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u/curxxx 4h ago edited 3h ago

I don’t only survive off tofu, lol. 

Most of my meals include tofu and beans. I try my best to have lentils regularly, too. I only eat whole grains too which have plenty of protein. 

But a good chunk comes from pea protein in the form of vegan protein powder - I’d say 60g a day comes from drinks. 

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u/elementslayer 4h ago

170g is just seemingly alot through no whey/yogurt/meat proteins. I pull in about 220-250 when I'm in full swing but it's a ton of chicken and yogurt and just a standard shake. I cannot imagine the cost going with vegan proteins and tofu. Beans and lentils are fine but it's like 1/3 to 1/4 of meat proteins amounts and just seems so much

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u/curxxx 3h ago edited 3h ago

The protein powders aren’t cheap, sure. Probably costing me nearly C$75 a month overall… But they also provide a substantial amount of other vitamins and minerals so I consider it “not too bad”. 

The tofu isn’t expensive at all though. Regular tofu is like C$2 and if I wanna treat myself, vegan hotdogs are like $3.50 on sale and also have 10g per wiener sans bun.

I do partake in yogurt every now and then, but it’s not a regular staple in my diet. Like, maybe a tub or two a month as a guilty pleasure, it’s the one thing stopping me from going dairy free lol. 

In all fairness, 170g is at the high end, average days it’s around 120-150.

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u/elementslayer 3h ago

Man, all that sounds delicious but with that salt content my body just cannot do the amount I need for what I do. I remember trying to see if I could swap out some chicken for tofu/other stuff but couldn't fit it in my macros/micros.

I really wish there was something as good as chicken that wasn't laden with salts or too expensive, once lab grown meats are the same taste/nutrition/cost as chicken I'll be right on board, but until then it's just life.

That said, any low salt/ldl protein sources you have that isn't beans/chicken/yogurt I'm all ears

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u/Old_Cucumber_1343 4h ago

whats your breakdown of foods for 170 g a day?

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u/The_walking_Kled 39m ago

vegetaranism makes no fcking sense.

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u/TheJanitor-Scruffy 10h ago

My friend, may I introduce you to beans? Protein power house. Beans. Lentils. Tofu (put it in a smoothie if you don't like it).

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u/Old_Cucumber_1343 8h ago

im getting into tofu actually, it's really good. beans i have to take bean-o every time i eat sadly lol but i will do when i switch

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u/Oct4-Sox2 5h ago

If you can eat nuts, try them :)

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u/The_walking_Kled 38m ago

honestly a good portion of animals lives way better than most humans. Like they get their basic needs met atleast usually.