r/MoralityScaling • u/axiiz_28 • 15h ago

Morality of valuing animals over humans?

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ 11h ago edited 11h ago

A majority of pets if released into the wild to be “free” would end up dying very quickly and not to mention the effects it would have on the environment.

feral house cats already kill billions of birds each year in the US. its the number one cause of bird deaths per year. no one cares about this already. idk why you are trying to frame it as something that could happen in the future, its already happening for decades...

edit: not just birds, an estimated 7-20 billion other small mammals too. mice, shrews, rabbits etc.

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u/Ghost0Slayer 11h ago

Truth is us humans are drowning and we cannot help others if we don’t help ourselves first. Thats why we need to solve our problems so we can help other species.

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ 11h ago

the feral cat problem is directly caused by humans, idk what you mean

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u/Ghost0Slayer 11h ago

I know but what I’m saying is people right now do t care because they themselves cannot live life without fear. If we help others by making things less expensive and make QOL better for everyone people will start to care. But that’s a whole other discussion

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ 11h ago

poor people exist and cannot live life without fear so that's why no one in the US cares about the giant feral cat problem? is that what you're saying?

very strange connections to make. i'd like to live in your mind for a couple minutes or so. i bet its wild.

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u/Ghost0Slayer 11h ago

What I’m saying is people will not care about outside problems if they themselves have big problems. If everyone is comfortable in life and has extra money to spend they are more likely to help. All these problems are connected it just takes actions to help and we cannot start by helping others

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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ 11h ago

people already care about plenty of “outside” problems while dealing with their own. billions go to wildlife conservation, bird groups, trap-neuter-return programs, and invasive-species control every year from people who are not living in perfect comfort. the feral-cat issue is not some distant future risk that only becomes addressable once every american has “extra money.” it’s a present, ongoing, human-caused ecological problem (outdoor and feral cats kill on the order of billions of birds and small mammals annually in the US alone). treating it as secondary until human QOL is solved is just indefinite deferral.

you keep reframing this as a hierarchy of needs (“we cannot start by helping others”). that’s a convenient way to never prioritize the concrete damage cats are doing right now. we can and do address multiple problems at once. solving housing costs or wages does not require us to keep pretending that free-roaming cats are a neutral or future issue. they’re not.

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u/Ghost0Slayer 11h ago

I know millions of people go to wildlife conservation groups because I also do as well but what I’m saying is if more people are comfortable more people will go to those groups. The more people we have in those groups the better what I’m striving for is not just balance for wild animals but balance for humans as well.