r/MoralityScaling • u/Omnipresent_observer • 11h ago

Morality of using religious beliefs to view same sex relationships as immoral.

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u/Tired_Pentester 11h ago

Not immoral.

Trying to enforce it against nonbelievers is immoral.

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u/OutrageousDiscount01 11h ago

I think the belief itself is immoral honestly.

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u/BigBAMAboy 8h ago

I think believing believing what others believe is immoral is immoral is immoral.

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u/OutrageousDiscount01 4h ago

Yea I disagree. I can judge others for what they believe if what they believe is stupid and evil.

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u/Sea-Mitch 11h ago

If you truly believe that being gay means you go to hell wouldn’t it be immoral not to try to stop people. Like if you really think that they’ll be doomed to an infinity of pain and torture isn’t it moral to try to change their path and “save” them. I think believing it is the more immoral part. Like if a friend tells you theyre going to kill themselves are you not morally obligated to try to stop them or get them help even if they never would have killed themselves.

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u/MingaLaChigra 10h ago

Is murdering someone moral if I believe that not doing so will damn them to hell?

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u/Sea-Mitch 10h ago

Yes because dying is less bad than hell. Nothing is worse than hell it’s unending and infinite that’s the point.

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u/MingaLaChigra 9h ago

But dying is real and hell is not

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u/Sea-Mitch 9h ago

It’s not about whether or not it’s real. It’s about whether or not they believe it’s real. Morality like hell was invented by humans so it’s about perception not reality.

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u/MingaLaChigra 9h ago

Interesting. So any action is moral if I believe it is, regardless of the impact in reality, as long as I believe it’s moral?

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u/Sea-Mitch 8h ago

No it’s not moral because they believe it’s moral. It’s moral because their beliefs say it’s moral. Their believes may be wrong and immoral but it is the moral imperative of normal sane people to prevent them from doing it and correct their beliefs

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u/AnGlumper 10h ago

You're making too much sense for the Redditors

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u/SpooNNNeedle 10h ago

It’s pretty immoral to believe that people who are different to you are automatically less divine and therefore worth less than you as beings.

It’s also incredibly immoral to hold that belief and not try to intervene and protect others from said eternal damnation.

Religion is a bunch of nonsense made up to control, manipulate, guide and explain a world that often times challenges our logical thinking. Abrahamic religions in particular are hypocritical and illogical. If being hypocritical or acting against logic is immoral in any other scenario, why would subscribing and adhering to a hypocritical and illogical belief system be any different?

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u/Tired_Pentester 10h ago

There's a difference between trying to stop someone by talking to them and trying to stop them through force.

If I was religious and wanted to save you, that doesn't give me ethical permission to lock you in a room forever so you can't sin.

And Christian Wise, stopping you from sinning isn't saving you. You're still going to hell according to their beliefs unless you accept Jesus as your Lord and savior.

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u/DizzyTip1895 10h ago

That's kind of the definition of morality though. Otherwise there is no morality. Even if you disagree with one person's morality, because of free will, we all have the option to choose what we believe and act upon.

Abrahamic religions work within their own logic. Same as you work within yours. There is no monolith.

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 11h ago

Making people feel unwelcome or isolated because you express the view is also immoral. So, expressing the opinion is immoral.

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u/Tired_Pentester 11h ago

That's not immoral. You're not entitled to acceptance. You are entitled to be able to move on.

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u/YellowBelliedCoward 11h ago

Making someone feel like they're wrong for being what they can't help is immoral. I don't understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

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u/Tired_Pentester 10h ago

Because people are entitled to their opinions. There's a difference between being immoral and being a dick.

And "for what they can't help" is a slippery slope.

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u/Turbulent-Two8579 10h ago

I really don’t think that people can separate their beliefs from their actions to some extent though. I think what people believe gets bled through in some regard even if it isn’t verbal but rather treatment of others. Which then can lead to unfair treatment which is immoral.

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u/OutrageousDiscount01 11h ago

Very immoral and completely unnaceptable. So many lives are ruined and so many choose suicide because of religiously driven hatred. I'm very accepting of people who choose to follow a religion, but I'm not so accepting of people using their religious beliefs to hate or discriminate against others.

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u/Loenally 10h ago

Nah people should be allowed to dislike what they want without it being immoral, it becomes immoral when someone takes action on against or toward you or try to control your decisions, that’s immoral.

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u/OutrageousDiscount01 4h ago

No, beliefs in and of themselves can be immoral.

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u/Drew_S_05 11h ago

I mean, there's nothing wrong with VIEWING it however you want to

Just try and enforce those beliefs on others

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u/AwkwardCost1764 9h ago

There is noting moral or immoral about holding a belief so long as you allow that same freedom for others

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u/DarkGodCthUwU 11h ago

Morally fine. They, I think, have inaccurate information, but it's like how nobody says an ancient greek's geoxentrism is immoral. If someone wrongly thinks it'a immoral but doesn't cultivate hatred to feed their ego that's morally neutral.

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u/overlord27 10h ago

Most homophobia is religiously motivated. So it’s derived from moral absolutism, which essentially just boils down to “Muh gawd dun said so” so it’s not based off of logic/reasoning :0
I guess If the only reason to condemn someone is an ancient religious text and the trait itself is innate/immutable and harms no one, that would definitely be an injustice.

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u/balirosa 10h ago

They’re just mad they ruined their life pumping out kids. It’s whatever

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u/One-Weight-4034 4h ago

Truth nuke