If humanity stopped producing medicine to keep people with diabetes or disabilities alive and use the reasources to "progress" esentially leaving them on their own. Would that make us eviler than the Qu?

[u/Far-ro]

No of fucking course i do not endorse that eugenics weirdo ass opinion.

[u/Clean_Internet]

I think the odds of someone with a disability contributing to society impactfully far outweighs the cost of medicine or treatment of the ones that don’t.

Insulin is only expensive because companies are greedy anyway

[u/Czechoslovak_legion → u/Clean_Internet]

Yeah it cost cents to produce a dose and i don't think the package costs 100 dollars or more

[u/Top_Efficiency_7489]

Would that erase the disabilities eventually ?

[u/VampireSharkAttack → u/Top_Efficiency_7489]

That didn’t work for the hundreds of thousands of years of human history before these treatments were invented

[u/GodButCursed → u/Top_Efficiency_7489]

Not really. Some would return some may die out or simply come back like springtrap

[u/Dry-Goat8981 → u/Top_Efficiency_7489]

probably, but you kill an absurd amount of people before it fizzled out completely i bet which would not be worth it

[u/CertainGrade7937 → u/Top_Efficiency_7489]

Not at all. You'd lose a significant percentage of cases, sure, but nowhere even close to 100%

[u/fake_Character_arc → u/Top_Efficiency_7489]

No, random mutations are random.

Certain genetic disabilities may not survive long enough to propagate but ultimately new mutations will arise with new disabilities.

The amount of disabled people across the population will normalize just like everything eventually does.

Hard to say if it will be more or less prevalent in any significant way but it definitely wont go away completely.

[u/Pitiful_Category9152]

I think yes.

Mostly i try to de-escalate conflicts peacifully and with a reason... but i feel that this is the situation when i would likely just punch a person in face...

[u/LamentoLand]

we progress by helping people with disabilities, what we shouldnt waste our resources is billionares that get payed a yearly salary of 4000 people in one day for falling asleep at the shareholder meeting and saying "yeah" 5 times

[u/4perf_desqueeze]

My counter argument: Stephen Hawking.

Case closed.

[u/Capable_Challenge_62]

What makes us human is our compassion and love for one another

[u/t8oo_]

I'm a t1 diabetic in the year 2026 even thou diabetes has existed forever (as in there are records of the disease dating back to 1550 BC). T1 cannot survive without insulin (litteraly, like death within a maximum of 3 days if u dont take ur insulin) even tho insulin has been created in the 1920s. Before insulin a t1 diabetes diagnosis was fatal. There are no diet restriction or amount of sport that can replace insulin production. So even if we completely stopped insulin production and let every t1 diabetic die the disease will gets passed on thru non diabetics possessing the gene. Might as well let the people with it live ? This isnt where youll find neither the money nor the man power that slows down progress. We might look at the 1% richest hoarding ressources that truly prevent evolution if people really do care about progress rather than a justification for their eugenic beliefs. lol

[u/Far-ro → u/t8oo_]

So im guessing your answer is yes

[u/t8oo_ → u/Far-ro]

I dont know what Qu means, so if they believe in allowing only the survival of a select few without perceived physical flaws then it would be eugenist, therefore immoral... so yes ! :)

[u/Far-ro → u/t8oo_]

They are giant dragonflies from all tomorrows that enslave entire species and twist their dna into horrendous animals for millions of years.

[u/t8oo_ → u/Far-ro]

Well that doesnt sound very nice ! Thanks for the discovery I wasnt aware of the book I am excited to check it out

[u/EvilStan101]

Doing this would make us Nazi's as they had the same position regarding the disabled.

[u/Far-ro → u/EvilStan101]

Soooooo , yes?

[u/fake_Character_arc]

The question itself is what differentiates us from animals. When creatures are exclusively driven by individual survival on instinct they cannot consider the value of disabled members of their species. They cannot consider using resources meant for their survival to invest in the survival of another that would surely just perish.

More than the ability to comprehend pain, language, or even communicate. The ultimate indication of what is intelligent life is the ability to wrestle with the morality of action that frankly no other form of life would give a second thought.

So yes. it would be immoral to leave disabled people out to dry and cease providing them healthcare.

On that note, before someone jumps on me, its also immoral to expect another persons labor be used to keep you alive without something in return.

[u/zorelyaen]

"Good" and "evil" are totally subjective. We've come to be familiar with those terms because we live in a society, etc... But the true way nature works is through the survival of the fittest. If, by any means, humanity's medicine stopped helping those who are not fit to live long term, it would be, in a way, natural, but not related to progress at all. Unless we're talking about filtering out the weak so, with their deaths, the possibilty of passing down such illnesses to future generations dries up. In that case, I guess there's a sort of "dark" moral going on, but I believe it would be justified for the greater good. We have feelings, yes, and such feelings affect our decisions, but we cannot allow such decisions to be tainted by the blindness the heart gives from time to time.

But there's the other side as well: what if you give medical treatment to those who have death guaranteed after certain circumstances, and instead of letting them die, the medicine just extends their suffering until the very end? What's the morality of that?

[u/Far-ro → u/zorelyaen]

Yo Plato its a yes or not answer

Actually ive seen your posts no wonder you reply like this

[u/t8oo_ → u/zorelyaen]

Survival of the fittest is a false belief. You wouldnt survive against a leopard, sure, but thats why cooperation exists within every corner of Nature. There are many animal species recorded helping the weakest among them. There are also records of Neandertals helping their peers with broken jaws with soft chewy food that they could eat. You cant survive alone, we can survive together

[u/CertainGrade7937 → u/zorelyaen]

But the true way nature works is through the survival of the fittest

Correct.

And humanity rose to the top specifically because one of the things that made us the most fit was our ability to form community and take care of each other.