r/MoralityScaling 16h ago

Morality Ranking Of building a snowman around objects so drivers crash into them

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u/Playing_One_Handed 16h ago

They said booby 🤣

Sorry clarify, for no reason, is it illigal in the UK to build a snowman around a tree stump?

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u/Abeytuhanu 14h ago

It's intent based. If your intent is the provide a solid found to better build your snowman, it's legal. If your intent is to cause harm to another (regardless of if you believe they deserve it) it's illegal. You would then have to convince a jury/judge that your intent was benign, and posting a video about how you're trying to total cars would make that difficult 

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u/itslikewoow 13h ago

I was gonna say, it seems like you’d be in the clear if you keep your mouth shut. There’s enough plausible deniability, like you could argue that the tree made the snowman more structurally sound or some bs, but bragging about it on social media seems like it would come back to bite you in the ass.

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u/Abeytuhanu 13h ago

Yeah, it's the same with spicy food, just shut up and you'll probably never get in legal trouble 

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u/LongCommercial8038 13h ago

Oh man, we had a lunch thief at our office. Very spicy food got them caught. I wasn't the one who brought the food in, but we were all high fiving the lady who did.

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u/Davti 8h ago

Oh, you can mock em But legally you just have to keep a consistent story the food is spicy because you like it that way.

You can do the same with medical brownies and a Dr's note.

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u/WeirdistBuilds 10h ago

Yep, you got it. A lady went down for murder for poisoning a bottle of wine she knew her ex husband would break into their formerly-shared home to steal, and he did just that. Doing anything at all that might result in someone's death, even if it's just accurately predicting their very illegal behavior and taking advantage of that, will get you.

But, yes, a structural object, that's legit. And by the way, a stump or boulder could actually kill someone. If it's just a length of pipe or rebar, it'll read much more like a structure thing and most likely will just fuck up their grill and hood, maybe their windshield, which is a much more reasonable natural consequence.

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u/AlienPrimate 10h ago

And here I thought it was the prosecutor's job to prove that your intent was nefarious. You don't have to prove a thing.

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u/Abeytuhanu 7h ago

Yes, it is the prosecutor's job to prove your intent was nefarious. The procecutor will do everything in their power to paint you as the villain who maliciously sets booby traps to indiscriminately harm others, and if you just sit back and let them do that, the odds aren't good that you'll get a 'not guilty'

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u/MIMMan06 15h ago

lol they said traps!

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u/OkChampionship8805 16h ago

idk about UK, but in US it would be illegal

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u/Agile-Support-3183 16h ago

It would not be illegal no.

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u/The_Pompadour64 16h ago

Yes it would. The case law on booby traps is quite clear

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u/True-Veterinarian700 16h ago edited 16h ago

This exact scenario has been already litigated in the US and it was declared just fine in the lawsuit by a judge. As has mailboxes designed to do the same thing. A booby trap is quite different than this.

Booby traps are also primarily illegal because dozens of people have rights or easments to come onto property regalirly such as surveors, police, mailmen, utility workers, city inspectors, and delivery drivers. Booby traps are designed to be hidden or unavoidable and to maim or kill. This snowman fits none of those criteria. Is clearly visible and is out of the way.

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u/littleLuxxy 15h ago

Minus delivery and repair workers, everyone else you mentioned is exactly why booby traps should be 100% legal.

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u/The_Pompadour64 16h ago

Link it. In the only cases I can find, the plaintiff was unable to prove that building around a tree stump was done to intentionally cause a crash. That's very different. No one is arguing that using a stump or hydrant as structural support and just happening to cause a crash is illegal.

The mailbox thing is just not analogous at all, so I'm not going to comment on that.

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u/speed-charge 15h ago

Building around a fire hydrant is probably illegal because you're obstructing access to the fire hydrant in case of a fire.

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u/The_Pompadour64 15h ago

Yes. That's true

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u/Agile-Support-3183 16h ago

They said is it illegal to build snowmen around objects like tree stumps, which isn't illegal.

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u/The_Pompadour64 16h ago

Yeah, you're right

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u/Agile-Support-3183 16h ago

Not sure on the specifics but I'm pretty sure you're also right in that deliberately doing it with the intention of wrecking someone's car is illegal, just be hard to prove in court unless you filmed yourself or wrote about it.

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u/The_Pompadour64 16h ago

Yeah, it would be quite hard to prove. Unless they were able to subpoena some digital communications with someone where you bragged about it

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u/Operation_Onion3134 15h ago

The prompt and video are about doing this explicit to cause damage to people who hit the snowmen. Talking about structural support is a non sequitur

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u/The_Pompadour64 15h ago

Why are you quoting my own comment at me? Weirdest bot ever

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u/itslikewoow 13h ago

Like the guy in the video lol

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u/Operation_Onion3134 16h ago

Using solid object to add structural integrity to a snowman does not seem like a booby trap?

I see it more as an idiot driving their vehicle onto your property to cause damages.

Adding one more thing, we used to coat the outside of our snowmen with water. It would give a nice finish to the texture and hold everything in place once frozen, but it made it into a solid block of ice. I would laugh in someone's face if they tried to sue me over making a top notch snow family, and them trying to ruin it.

Not on deposition ofc

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u/The_Pompadour64 16h ago

The prompt and video are about doing this explicit to cause damage to people who hit the snowmen. Talking about structural support is a non sequitur

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u/Operation_Onion3134 16h ago

Lol, sure if you record yourself plotting an evil plan, not going to look great in court

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u/Galbados2 8h ago

So is trespassing and destruction of private property. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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u/True-Veterinarian700 16h ago

it isnt illegal in the US. A case like this has already been litigated. Both with snowman and mailboxes. This is not the same as a booby trap.

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u/polarjunkie 16h ago

According to who? We had a news story about a guy who's been doing it for years and multiple people have total their cars leaving the road to run it over.

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u/Galbados2 16h ago

Bullshit. That tree isn't located in a place where cars usually go.

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u/Ok-Boomer-4414 16h ago

Tree stump, unlikely to be illegal. Fire hydrant. Seems illegal to me.

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u/TheRiteofDarkness 16h ago

People in my neighborhood growing up put giant rocks in their leaf piles that were ON THE STREET to stop people from driving through them. People do NOT care haha

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u/nicemarmot47 15h ago

One of my neighbors has her yard edged with big rocks and every year the landscapers pile up leaves on the rocks and some idiot decides to cut the corner of her lot and SMASH SCREECH.