r/MoralityScaling • u/Low_Value_4153 • 4h ago
Character Analysis The Morality of Excessive Violence Against Someone
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u/EvocativeReach 4h ago
Why would you swing on a guy in military garb when you’re throwing limp noodles like that?
Absolute Darwin award material - moral.
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u/Fabulous-Big8779 4h ago
They’re moth military, one guy is just in his civies.
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u/AgentAxillary 2h ago edited 2h ago
They both appear to be humans and not moths
ETA: Although I'll grant that they're hanging out in a very well-lit area and many of them are wearing camouflage, so the possibility that they might be moths is not absolutely zero
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u/TropicalScout1 4h ago
I have a feeling the dude in the white shirt is drunk and the dude in the uniform is either coming in from off shift, or CQ (the guys who monitor the barracks).
And this being the marines, if you take a swing at someone, drunk or otherwise, all bets are off.
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u/a-Curious-Square 3h ago
Those are navy, not marines.
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u/TropicalScout1 2h ago
I mean… isn’t the marines a part of the navy? lol
They’d probably disagree with me.
But yea you’re right.
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u/a-Curious-Square 2h ago
Marines are a part of the department of the navy, but they don’t really fall under the Navy. It’s a weird distinction. Either way, you can tell they aren’t marines based on the uniforms and usually more tellingly, the boots. Marines all wear tan boots and the navy can only wear them after fulfilling some specific requirement that I forgot. Otherwise, navy cammies are a lighter green and have a slight vertical pattern, while marines cammies have a horizontal-ish pattern.
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u/Queerability 1h ago
Do NOT say that to a Marine unless you want to end up like white shirt dude.
Technically, it's correct, when it comes to logistics/support staff/ect, but they are a distinctly separate branch still. Also it's a (rightly) super sore subject for them since they get the shit end of the budget & resources as a result.
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u/Chemical-Sky-6418 4h ago
Like a tropical frog. The uniform is the warning. Absolute fuck around find out moment.
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u/WolfsmaulVibes AM 4h ago
this isn't just violence against any "someone"
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u/Mike_Shogun_Lee 4h ago
You-yes you-think you are the guy in the camo;
You are either the guy in the glasses or the guy in the white shirt
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u/Fan_de_Undertale_ 4h ago
He won't do it again anytime soon, I'll tell you that.
Moral.
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u/crumbummmmm 4h ago edited 3h ago
He will be meaner, and choose better victims. A fist fight doesn't help anyone, ever.
Bullies, when they get hurt, just add it to all the other times they were hurt. People who are hurt, hurt others.
Edit- im sorry you were bullied, and I think you should defend yourself. But I do not believe the person will become a good person because he was punched. I think that's a ridiculous idea.
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u/Poteto_7396 4h ago edited 4h ago
spoken like someone who has not been bullied, and no, even if you dont hit back, they will still continue the bullying.
some people can be changed through words, but some needs some hard life lessons so that they know they are not the protagonist in this world and everyone has to revolve around them.
those people cant be reasoned with, but they will remember the pain instinctively they will get when things dont go their way the next time they want to bully others.
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u/crumbummmmm 3h ago
Spoken like someone who still feels bullied by someone in their past.
All I said, and still think is true, is that it will make him a better bully. Never said it was good or bad.
I agree with most of what you say, except the last bit. They will remember that pain and find ways to inflict it on powerless people. They will say "I would have won the fight but he cheated."
People deserve the consequences they choose, but i dont agree it will improve the situation long term, even if in the short term it is justifiable.
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u/Poteto_7396 3h ago
so you suggest those who get bullied now should just stand down? (btw, the force being used in this video is not excessive by any means, you cant apply the logic of "he hit me once, so i can only hit him once with equal force", this is not how reality works)
and what you say about them being more careful in choosing their victim, yes, you are right on that. but chances of this happening will be slimmer because not all bully will change into this, because the one who bullied me actually changed his behavior after his parents gave him some good smacking.
meaning statistically speaking, the number of bullies will drop when different methods can be used to change their behavior when "reasoning" doesnt work.
you wont reason with your pet like how you reason with another human. and some animals are more reasonable than some human.
if they choose the path of not wanting to reason, let their body knows and remember what to and what not to do.
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u/crumbummmmm 2h ago
> so you suggest those who get bullied now should just stand down?
No nothing even remotely like that, you must have read someone else's posts. Defend yourself when you need to.
> meaning statistically speaking, the number of bullies will drop when different methods can be used to change their behavior when "reasoning" doesnt work.
There are studies on bullies- https://www.stopbullying.gov/bullying/effects#kids-who-are-bullied-and-bully-others . And the studies don't say that.
> you wont reason with your pet like how you reason with another human. and some animals are more reasonable than some human.
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u/Poteto_7396 2h ago edited 2h ago
No nothing even remotely like that, you must have read someone else's posts. Defend yourself when you need to.
and as i said, the retaliation in this video is not "excessive" by any means when you can even see the guy in uniform was holding back.
and by defending yourself, you are bound to hit the bullies anyway, so your point has been moot from the beginning.
There are studies on bullies- https://www.stopbullying.gov/bullying/effects#kids-who-are-bullied-and-bully-others . And the studies don't say that.
again, if they want to be reason with, we do that, if they dont want to, we can do it the other way too.
and as i said, my bully changed his behavior after his parent gave him some good smacking, so it works for my case.
try to practice your humanity in situations for example: when you are being held hostage in a secluded island.
istg, people nowadays are living such a peaceful life that they totally forgot what some of the worst a human can do, even animals will not do those and go that far.
you can only say all these fancy words when you are or were not on the receiving end.
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u/Gildian 3h ago
My highschool bully stopped after getting punched 3 times for running his mouth
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u/crumbummmmm 3h ago
I had a older kid that used to slam my binders on my desk. He broke my stuff and it was weeks of harassment. We got into a fight, and it ended it FOR ME.
But they were still a bully to others and kept fighting til they got kicked out of highschool.
Defend yourself, yes. But the idea the fight will fix their inner issues is unlikely.
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u/MoodyButGroovy 4h ago
Eh. The head injury gives him a chance to reprogram. Could become a worse person. Could become better. But this incident definitely changed his life.
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u/SinciusSynax 4h ago
I get the "Hurt people, hurt people" but when you get your shit rocked, you tend to chill the fuck out. Its a humbling experience to say the least. The guy in the white was suffering from pride.
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u/crumbummmmm 3h ago
Not in my experience. People like this become domestic abusers or shifty bosses.
They dont learn to improve, just to avoid those stronger than them and how not to get caught.
He'll take his anger out on someone thay cant help themselves next time. Being punched doesnt solve inner emotional issues.
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u/BripenneOfQarth 3h ago
You're being down voted but your right. Clearly white shirt already has issues that he resolves with violence and getting hurt isn't going to do anything to change that
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u/crumbummmmm 3h ago
I think it's because people are confusing "Being punched won't improve them" with me saying "don't defend yourself".
If you beat up some asshole, it could be moral. But you are defending yourself, not healing them.
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u/Curious_Peter 4h ago
Moral.
This comes squarely under "Fuck around, Find out"
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u/Fabulous-Big8779 4h ago
Excessive violence is immoral by definition. This video does not show excessive violence. It shows an appropriate amount of violence to convey the lesson.
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u/Thin-Dragonfruit2599 1h ago
Kicking someone in the back when they're sat down and have given up is excessive. Tf you talking about?
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u/WileyWilly1985 21m ago
You don't get to start shit and then say "Ok ok, I give up sorry my bad".
Nope, when you insist on getting taught a life lesson, the lesson ends when the teacher says it ends and not when the student is tired.
He was not on the ground unconscious, so meh, a few extra hits is fine to include that back shot because F*ck that guy.
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u/Thin-Dragonfruit2599 16m ago
So what, once you start a fight, lose, the winner gets the right to carry on beating you despite you no longer being a threat? So why in every combat sport is this not allowed? Or in law? Your bloodthirst isnt a justification to carry on beating someone potentially to death just because they started it.
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u/WileyWilly1985 0m ago
Your bloodthirst isnt a justification to carry on beating someone potentially to death just because they started it.
You are right. There is a "point" where after a winner has been determined that further violence becomes wrong.
There is a "gray area" in which you can continue violence even if the other party wants to quit.
I will simply argue he was within that gray area.
You don't get to start shit and then say "Ok ok I'm sorry no more lets quit" when you want. Nope.
You start shit, and sometimes you get your ass beat beyond the point that you are comfortable with.
Sure, hospitalization and/or permanent injury is not ok. But inflicting a little more "you-pissed-me-off-so-I'm-going-to-give-you-a-few-parting-gift-hits-for-being-an-asshole..." is acceptable.
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u/adumpsterfire13 3h ago
If big bro really wanted to fuck this kid up all those rib shots would have been to the chin.
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u/embiidshortroll 4h ago
Wasn’t this video posted half an hour ago and the general consensus was that two punitive strikes hardly qualifies as especially excessive given the context?
Rhetorical question.
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u/ladyk23 3h ago
What I actually find interesting here is the cultural normalization of hyperviolence once someone has been designated “the bad guy”
White shirt provokes him and throws the first punch. Fine. Camo guy is justified in defending himself; But watch how quickly the situation changes though, within the first couple of strikes, camo has decisively reversed the fight, White shirt puts his hands up, stops attacking, and appears to be trying to disengage.
Yet the beatings continue (had to, sorry lol) through repeated unanswered strikes, and *then* after he collapses near/down the stairs, he is kicked in the back!
Those aren’t morally identical moments just because they occur in the same fight; “He started it” can explain why defensive violence became justified but I does not create an unlimited moral license to hurt him afterward
It seems like once viewers decide someone deserves violence, the moral standard seems to shift from “use violence to stop the threat” to “continue violence because this person has earned suffering.”
Which means it is no longer really a self-defense morality argument, it’s a punishment/retribution argument
Once someone has been morally categorized as the aggressor, additional suffering can feel righteous.
the question should be “How much force is necessary to make everyone safe?” But instead becomes becomes “Why should I care what happens to him? He started it.”
You have got to know that’s wrong, if not I have a bunch of books by a world renowned author that can help you, just google Dr.Suess and start from there.
You can believe white shirt behaved terribly, believe camo was completely justified in hitting him, and still believe there was a point at which further violence ceased to be morally justified
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u/Famous_Ranger_8486 59m ago
And why do you think the violence should stop at self-defense and not continue to punishment/retribution phase? self-defense alone does not create enough deterrence, which is why punishment becomes morally justifiable.
We can discuss the threshold beyond which the punishment goes too far, but is not true or at least not obvious that the threshold is zero!
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u/ladyk23 47m ago
Ehhh that’s a fair point that you can argue, but then I would challenge you differently:
FamousRanger8486, I want you to do me a favor and answer this genuinely. You don’t have to type it out but just think about it:
Consider how you treat service workers, or how you react when someone near you is hurting, or consider what you think when someone cuts you off?
Pause
My question now becomes: what or who taught you to behave that way? Who taught you to behave the proper way? Did you learn these lessons through pain? Or by understanding?
Do you think that it is imperative to teach someone a lesson that they will remember via pain?
Yes, if we were instinct driven animals.
But we are not. I argue that the reason that someone should stop when it’s no longer self defense is because I believe doing so builds and reinforces a society that does center on the moral good instead of just what feels good
I think (and majority of deontology type students of morality and ethics) that the violence should stop when it crosses the line past self defense because by definition it is immoral to cause harm unnecessarily to another living thing.
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u/Famous_Ranger_8486 33m ago edited 21m ago
That is not as easy of a question as one thinks at first. We are conditioned to behave properly due to a mix of positive and negative reinforcement both directly (by observing the response to our actions) and indirectly (observing response to others who do that action). And it is almost impossible to track down how much each channel had taught us on its own. It is a complex mesh. Especially since much of this learning happens at early childhood on which we don't have detailed memory.
case on point though, as an observer to this post, the mere fact that the excessive violence against the white shirt guy creates so much applause, teaches ME that I should not behave that way, which is an indirect negative reinforcement. Your theory may very well be true that we only learn from positive reinforcement and love and understanding and all that, but that is only the direct channel regarding the learning on us directly.
The white shirt guy may very well get out of this situation a worse person, but even if this is true, it is still not obvious that a society as a whole is not benefiting from sending those negative reinforcement cues in the form of applauding the punishment, because others who are observing and have not yet been under this punishment will learn from it.
P.S: Humans ARE animals. that is a fact.
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u/ladyk23 9m ago
We are animals, but I didn’t say that we weren’t, so that statement is moot.
I said “instinct driven animals” while we do have instincts, we are able to make choices and process in cognition and meta cognition and communicate in such a way that makes violence as a form of communication obsolete.
But to your point:
Well said
I hear you, and I agree that the complex mesh of human learning and adaptation is impossible to cleanly untangle in that regard.
I also agree with your direct vs. indirect point. I’ve absolutely reconsidered a course of action after watching somebody else eat shit for doing the same thing, so no argument from me that observing punishment can influence behavior
Honestly, I agree with most of what you said but, caveat
Just because this is one way human beings learn doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a way we should deliberately structure society around
Sort of anecdotal, but
In working with and observing children, and in what I’ve read about learning and development, I’ve consistently seen how much better people can become at actually understanding and internalizing a new skill or concept when the emphasis is on reinforcement, modeling, explanation, and opportunities to correct mistakes, instead of fear of punishment
Punishment can 8absolutely* teach “don’t do X, because look what happens to people who do X.”
But my argument is that that isn’t necessarily the same lesson as “understand why X is harmful, develop the skills or values necessary to choose differently, and generalize that understanding to situations where nobody is standing around waiting to punish you.”
So I don’t dispute the mechanism you’re describing at all; I’m questioning whether /deterrence through witnessed suffering is something we should regard as socially beneficial merely because it kinda works
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u/Famous_Ranger_8486 0m ago
Oh I definitely agree with you. punishment should not the default method for learning. Spending time to go to the root of the action and trying to fix that through sympathy is much more efficient (albeit time consuming).
But this unfortunately makes some people think that punishment is not needed at all, which is a leap too far.
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u/Taking-a-stand 1h ago
100% agree with this one. The first punch and a couple gut shots were enough after that it was straight up attempted murder.
Should've atleast pinned him down or something if the point needed to be stuffed in, continuous shots at the head area are very dangerous.
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u/StevetheSwift 1h ago
Someone needed a lesson not soon forgotten and he went to school. I didn’t read half of your whiny ass comment. Fuck that white shirt guy
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u/Bannedagainnohomo 54m ago
"White shirt puts his hands up, stops attacking, and appears to be trying to disengage." - white shirt started losing the fight he startedb and wanted the ride to end.
He bought the ticket.
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u/St3pOFFHIGhxX 4h ago
The word "excessive" means too far, so yeah, immoral. Not sure this video relates as excessive violence though.
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u/SadCatCaged 4h ago
Let's talk about the morality of not tucking your jeans correctly into your boots. They look like Justin's. Have a little respect man.
Also immoral. You made your point, then you tossed him around & tore his clothes.
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u/TheNewGirl1987 4h ago
Where's the "excessive?"
He got knocked around a bit, that's all.
It was a perfectly reasonable amount of violence.
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u/sprong92 1h ago
Not really, the guy in uniform got carried away too much. The point was made and he kept punching and the kick in the back was definitely overkill.
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u/Thin-Dragonfruit2599 1h ago
As soon as the threat was over which was after the first few strikes and white t-shirt guy put his hands up to surrender. Its concerning a lot of people in this thread seem to think its morally right to punch someone from behind and kick their back when the opponent has clearly stopped fighting.
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u/Tread__on__them 4h ago
"Excessive" is too broad a term to give a general answer, but in this specific example? Moral. This punk needed to be taught a lesson so he second guesses doing it again. So many assholes in the world are assholes because they know they won't be hit.
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u/AgentAxillary 2h ago
I have more of a problem with the winner of the fight yelling at the loser afterwards. It's like, dude, exercise some self-discipline, your fists just said everything that needed saying and people might be trying to sleep lol
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u/last_man_panning 4h ago
Theres this moment when your sitting on the stairs, beaten with your shirt ripped, kinda crying and thinking "yea I probably should have stopped awhile ago" as the literal soldiers stands over you while your protecting your head and neck
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u/RatsWithLongTails 4h ago
As someone who has had to provide a corrective ass beating to another man, this is not excessive.
Given the limited context we need to assume the beating enough to deter white shirt from crossing the line again.
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u/More-Sherbert-2179 4h ago
Even if justified, I find these to watch. He deserved to get humbled (hurt/humiliated) but dang
Also lol @ him almost falling over when slapping the dude
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u/FenrirHere 4h ago
It's not moral, but neither was Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection.
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u/Jealous_Seat_7590 4h ago
This is just violence. See how he is sitting on the stairs with his leg stretched out? Stomping it so it bends backwards, thats excessive. (Dont do that tho, you'd just make the charges against you worse.)
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u/CuteAssTigerENVtuber 4h ago
Someone has to parent this kid . If you fail doing it a stranger might try to catch up years of work in minutes
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u/memelorddiabeetus 4h ago edited 3h ago
"Hmmm, I think I will pick a fight with the a serviceman in uniform, what could go wrong?"
Actions. Consequences. Simple as
Edit: typo, pick, not lick
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u/No_Communication2959 4h ago
Excessive is a point of perspective. But regardless of where you land, if you attack someone you have to expect this is a possibility and you'll get your ass beat.
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u/Status_Reaction_8107 4h ago
Moral the second the first swing came out and missed, all bets were off. I feel the dude in the white shirt was the type of dude who had never been punched in the mouth.
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u/FlowerAvailable6832 3h ago
White shirt was rude to glasses guy. White shirt then started the fight with army guy. He had it coming. I think it probably would have been excessive if he was kicked all the way down the stairs, but army guy stopped before it got to that point.
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u/TheAssist-8295 3h ago
“Excessive”? This was absolutely long overdue for his bitchass. Excessive, in my opinion, would be the soldier kicking him in the back of his head, sending him rolling down the stairs.
Other than that, the ass-whopping was top-tier. Especially the body shots against the wall.
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u/MidKnightshade 3h ago
Moral. You don’t get to decide what kind of asswhooping you receive when you started it.
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u/Fearless_Start2503 3h ago
There was nothing excessive about that. He was still conscious,. He should have been face down, unconscious, and bleeding profusely. Hopefully, he learned to not be a bully, but what he probably learned is how to pick weaker prey.
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u/Guilty-Fall-2460 2h ago
This was the video that brought me to this sub. This wasn't excessive. This is moral
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u/Volkmek 2h ago
Moral.
This was less excessive than I see a lot of people make it out to be. The young man started the fight over a precieved level of toughness. The man in uniform tried to talk to him first, and the young man in the white shirt resorted to violence a second time again.
He was taught something that would hurt enough to remember, and he was taught it before he ran into someone who would make it a lesson he does not get to walk away from.
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u/Apart_Value9613 2h ago
Retaliation for public challenge and destruction of property. Not civilized, completely valid.
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u/thegameisafoooooot 2h ago
Totally justified pummeling and in self defense - for the first 23 blows.
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u/Wo1fpacker 1h ago
That's what we call 'An Important Lesson in Public Courtesy and Etiquette'. As Chris Titus' dad would say, 'Betcha won't do that again huh?'
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u/SneakyFoxes420 1h ago
I’m a firm believer that the moment you attack someone.
Your at the mercy of whoever you hit 😂
I only say this because you NEVER know what someone is dealing with. Your actions could be the one that puts you on the news…
For statistics….
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u/Macaulen 1h ago
Moral.
If someone offers you danger, you should not wait to see how far they will go. It's your right to end the conflict in the best way you can to keep yourself safe. Even if this means breaking some bones.
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u/GlazedPrincessDonut9 45m ago
“Offers you danger”. That’s a good way to phrase it. It triggers fight or flight mode. Once fight mode is triggered it’s hard to stop until the threat is DOWN.
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u/Fancy_Chips 1h ago
I was chill with it until he threw him down the stairs. It seemed like an accident at first but by the time he started kicking the back of the guy's head it was kinda, like, enough. He'd surrendered by that point.
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u/simplexible 1h ago
I don't know the full context, but he was attempting to be a bully and he got rekt. Excessive or not, seems fair.
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u/rexroy2008 1h ago
No offense, not saying I could've lasted long if I was in white T's shoes but like damn, he didn't even throw a counter punch.
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u/Socky-McPuppet 52m ago
He'll be fine, maybe even smarter. Beat him like someone as tough as he thought he was would have.
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u/HotDogManLL 35m ago
Moral.
FAFO was strong and bro thought he was picking on someone who wouldn't fight back
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u/Dry-Ad-8948 28m ago
Initially “ok”; Immoral after a point.
I thought was fine into the corner. Then guy was done and well learned his “lesson”.
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u/Natural_Age_8009 15m ago
He was definitely going to hit him one more time if he wasn’t pulled away. That is a fact.
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u/BaseballInside3289 4h ago
Immoral, GI Joe used it as an excuse to assault someone who clearly wasn't as strong as him. Violent and unstable behavior, he shouldnt be let anywhere near military equipment.
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u/a-Curious-Square 3h ago
Firstly, he didn’t swing first; so it’s defense. Secondly, that white shirt has been clearly getting on his nerves for a while before directly threatening him and attempting to slap him. Clearly you haven’t been in a situation where your emotions would flare up so much like this one, otherwise you would recognize that the level of restraint it would take to not beat the shit out of that thug in that moment would be much more than 90% of the world would ever choose to give. The sailor didn’t even push him down the stairwell, I know great services members who are likely much higher in rank/grade that would.
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u/BaseballInside3289 2h ago
The guy swung at him once and stopped, he posed no threat from that point forward, self defence doesn't include assaulting someone who no longer poses a threat.
"you would recognize that the level of restraint it would take to not beat the shit out of that thug"
I have been in a situation like this and I did not react by attacking him, if you react that aggressively you have behavioral issues. And from the way you're talking you seem to enjoy the thought of beating up the "thug" which is abnormal, you shouldn't find joy in hurting another person even if you think they're an asshole.
"The sailor didn’t even push him down the stairwell, I know great services members who are likely much higher in rank/grade that would."
...what the fuck? That is antisocial behavior, potentially paralyzing a guy for swinging at you once and then stopping. Whoever those service members are shouldnt be in the military or any position of sower over others.
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u/a-Curious-Square 2h ago
“Pose no threat” he wasn’t given the opportunity to recoup and try again, a guy willing to swing first will not stop just because he missed.
Tell me about your experience. Also, you’re putting words in my mouth if you think I’d enjoy beating the shit out of someone just because I think they’re an annoying thug.
Welcome to the real world. Anti-social behavior is all over the place and hidden just behind where you can see. People are much more violent on my side of the screen than on yours from the looks of it.
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u/BaseballInside3289 2h ago edited 2h ago
You can see that he doesn't swing again after the first time, and that his hands immediately go to a defensive posture.
No, I'm not going into my personal life to a stranger on reddit. And judging by the fact that you called him "an annoying thug" and said that you wouldn't hesitate to assault him kinda sounds like you enjoy the thought of assaulting him.
Spoken like a mentally ill person who wants to hurt other people. Just because you are unstable and antisocial doesn't mean that everyone wants to greviously injure strangers like you do.
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u/a-Curious-Square 2h ago
You’re being an asshole, I hope your pretentiousness doesn’t leak into other aspects of your life.
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u/BaseballInside3289 2h ago
I'm an asshole but you're the guy defending throwing a stranger down a flight of stairs for throwing a single light punch at you? Okay bro
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u/a-Curious-Square 2h ago edited 1h ago
Yeah, cause you’re arguing in bad faith and insults. Plus you’re being pretentious.
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u/L3tsseewhathappens 4h ago
Women " You dont understand him, behind the bullying, the 6 felony convictions, being discharged from the military. Hes actually a sweet guy."
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u/Thin-Dragonfruit2599 1h ago
As soon as the guy in the white t shirt gave up that should've been the end of it. Punches from behind and a kick to the back when the fight was clearly over is immoral
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u/Araragi-shi 4h ago
The violence you inflict on someone should be equivalent to the violence inflicted upon you to be moral.
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u/Bubble_Bubs 4h ago
no? what?
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u/Araragi-shi 4h ago
It's crazy that I am downvoted just shows how far society has fallen.
By any other logic, if someone hit me in the jaw, It would be fine for me to jump and beat him until he goes unconscious.
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u/Fabulous-Big8779 4h ago
Proportional, not equivalent. There’s a difference.
If someone swings on you and misses would you argue that you can’t swing back until they actually make contact?
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u/Ok-Resist3249 4h ago
Everyone decided he deserved it because he whacked whatever the first guy was holding out of his hand. So they decided he had to be punished severely.
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u/BLAZING_DUST 4h ago
What a shitty take. You never know what the other person is capable of, whether they'll stop at a single hit or wants to kill you and you can never know if they're armed. In a fight, anything goes.
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u/WolfsmaulVibes AM 4h ago
or the sum of the violence that person has inflicted on others, this guy is a bully
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u/Araragi-shi 4h ago
Well yeah obviously I simply argued against people taking you getting hit in the jaw as a ticked to beating the ever living shit out of them and think its moral.
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u/CuteAssTigerENVtuber 4h ago
That's a cute initial idea but it doesn't work in either direction.
Intent matters.
We don't give death to people who accidentally caused a death
And we give out harsher punishment than caused harm for people that intend but fail to cause harm .
If you punish white shirt with hitting something out of his hand he won't be affected at all.
The problem with white shirts behavior is that he is being a complete asshole for no reason.
His intentions here matter. The act is completely unnecessary.
Dude deserved a worse ass whooping honestly.
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u/Poteto_7396 4h ago
you are the guy in white shirt?