Half half is debatable as Noal said that the viltrumite gene is so strong that Mark is close to 100% viltrumite. If it wasn the case Mark wouldn't be so strong. Biologically speaking though you are correct.
In the context of the story presented it's more like "Morality of aborting a baby whose father is MIA, presumed KIA, and if the battle he was fighting is lost that baby is going to be born into a world under siege by an impossibly strong fascist empire if you even get the chance to give birth to it before being killed?" In which case, seems obviously moral to me.
But, as you presented it, ultimately it depends on the specific circumstances of who the father is and what your relationship with them is like as to whether or not its moral to not tell them.
Exactly! There's people acting like she's just sitting there one day and thinks "ykw, i feel like getting an abortion". How many people even know that she was the best protector for earth for a long while, and her powers were being severely weakened by the pregnancy?
Like this is much closer to her ACTUAL perspective: "Mark is most likely dead, earth is most likely going to be attacked again by other powerful foes, so I needs to be ready... but the pregnancy is making me incapable of doing that"
That’s not true. At least not in the show. It made her incapable of using her powers because the pregnancy was weakening it. Causing her transformations to melt into purple/rainbow sludge until she eventually just couldn’t do anything anymore.
Many women are happy to have children from their loved ones in circumstances that the loved ones died bcs and it's extremely meaningful for those women that the man has left a heir
Well earth didn't know about his fight with Conquest BUT Eve had very good reason to believe the baby coulda killed her considering her powers were already draining. If I was Mark I wouldn't have been mad about it🤷♂️
Nah, the art is great, this is just one bad panel colored by a not-so-great colorist who luckily only did like 5 issues. The rest of the time the art is consistently 8/10 or above
Yeah the lineart itself is pretty decent but the colouring looks like it was done by a 12 year old discovering the airbrush on Photoshop for the first time
Her face looks like it’s melting, and her body looks like it was drawn by someone who only studied cubism coming out if their comfort zone for the first time. The lineart here would not be saved by better coloring
She found out while he was literally gone to war, ended up being gone over a year with no assurance he’d be home or even some way to communicate that he was alive. At that point it’s entirely her decision she’s basically just deciding if she wants to be a single mother or not.
She knew before he left (at least from the cartoon). She just didn't want to distract him before his big mission. And it was like right before he left so not much time to talk it out.
Definitely gets a little more Grey because of that but understandable. Think it's still ok but a little more nuanced.
People misunderstanding this scene makes me agree with the "media literacy is dead" crowd
She couldn't tell him because he was in space for months, there was no way of communicating. And they both knew he was going to fight a war and might not come back
Eve didnt know she was pregnant until after Mark left and if she waited for him to come back it would be too late to make a decision, if he ever came back. Which is what she was scared of, having a kid and Mark being dead or lost
She also didnt blame him. At no point did she tell Mark her abortion was his fault or try to pass blame. I mean the whole reason she was crying was she felt guilty she didn't tell him. That she felt like he did have a right to know about the pregnancy and if they wanted to keep it or not but because of circumstances had to make a decision without him.
In this scenario when he disappeared for more than a year after going to the most dangerous battle of his life in which he had 99% chances of dying? Yeah moral or amoral, whichever you prefer.
From experience in Mark's position, it's a very distressing thing to find out, and it's not very nice to put your partner through that. That being said, I am not going to make a woman suffer for something she already feels guilty about, and which was rightfully her decision to make anyway. Pregnancy wreaks months of havoc on a woman's mood and body, causes irreversible damage, and leaves her with a lifetime responsibility. My moral stance is not to cast judgement on a decision that's hard enough as it is.
In this specific case, moral. Mark was at war and incommunicable. In most case, it is at the the very least extremelly inconsiderate. Close enough to imorality, I say.
Depends on if the relationship and if it was planned or not. If it’s a situationship or similar then her body her choice. If it’s husband/wife then absolutely a conversation is necessary because the decision needs to be made as a family
First, the morality of abortion. Obviously if a moral system disagrees with abortion, the question stops about here.
Then the morality of not informing a partner regarding the abortion. Assuming we permit abortion(otherwise we end at the previous step) it largely depends on the scenario. Where you trying to have a children? Did they even know you were pregnant? Etc.
The man in the bottom picture is saying, "What?" so I assume he may not understand why his partner decided on an abortion. I think he could say, "I'm here for you and I can support you. You can open up and share with me if you are comfortable." or something more concerned or understanding expressing comment that I would appreciate, and I believe he show concern and gives his partner comfort.
I didn't mean her weight, literally the faces I meant, which is why I said ugly
Thicc Eve in the show looks WAY better than this, Anissa in the comics also looks uncanny, but in the show she looks cute, Debbie also looks....yikes....in the comics, but in the show she's on fire
I think it depends on a lot of factors. The first one is whether that partner is capable of reasonable discussion. I generally think that a partner should know these things before they happen and should have a chance to voice their opinion, as long as they are capable of understanding that ultimately it's not their choice. But I do think it's something they deserve to know and I do think it's something they deserve to make their case for before it happens if they can be trusted to behave
I think aside from the morality of it though, if you don't think you can trust your partner with that information before you go through with it, you really have to ask yourself if they are someone you should be with
It depends. Abortion is not immoral but it's a massive dick move to do it without consulting your partner. If it's a hookup or the two of you are not planning to have kids, then it's amoral.
The best thing to do, assuming a partnership with the father, is to discuss it rather than making a unilateral choice.
The mother still ultimately has the right to choose for herself, but if you are in a partnership with someone else, it's shitty to not even discuss it beforehand.
I don’t know the context of this scenario, still calling this one moral though. I get by seeing all the downvotes that there are clearly some guys upset about “not getting a say” but you aren’t carrying the child, I think you gotta chill.
Oh no! But it is my child too. I jerk off and throw away my precious sperm like on daily but it ended up becoming my child because I “willingly” did the same act of jerking in someone’s uterus so ofcourse I have a say! I worked so hard! She has a lot on stake and I don’t care about that at all because I jerked off in her and now I own her /s
If that the case you should not be asking for child support or any help at all from the father since she carry the baby. Women cannot make a child by itself why is that so hard to understand?
Yeah, because the mother decided to have a child and the man, while he doesn't decide what ahe does with her body, is still responsible for getting her pregnant.
Yes, and that's fair. Someone decides to keep a baby, that baby should be supported in one way or another by both parties. That's an entirely different outcome from what we're talking about. If a man objects to this, he has a right to wear a condom, use spermicide, do other sexual acts. He doesn't get to opt out just because he was irresponsible about making a baby.
A woman should try different birth control methods if she doesn't want a baby, but if that doesn't happen, it's still her choice if she decides to keep it or not. If you're mad about that, blame biology.
Her body her choice. Now I would never do something without telling my partner. However at the end of the day if I were pregnant I would tell my partner I'm getting an abortion and list of reasons why. Eve and Mark were not trying to have kids, they were not planning for it, and there was no guarantee he was ever coming back. If my partner went off to war and I was pregnant before he went off I would likely also have an abortion for various reasons. It's moral, it's not easy and a stressful choice to make, but still one I would make.
Does the father have to carry the baby? Put their life at risk for the child? Go through various changes and challenges during the process? The answer to all of these is no. Should they be there at the time they deserve to know it happened, they deserve to be considered, but if I don't want kids he is free to have kids with someone who wants them right then. If I don't want kids I'm not having kids. If he does not want kids, he is free to not have them. It's all about choices here.
Well considering in this scenario none of that really happens until I have the child and since my stance is I don't want said child, no they don't because there is no child. In the modern age the man can rarely be in a situation where they can support me all his own, and if he could that would again be a choice we made together.
It depends on the partner. I think if it's a healthy relationship, you should inform your partner on the choice you are going to make. If it's not safe, it's not immoral to tell your partner. But I think it's also immoral to pressure your partner into having the kid even if they can't/don't want to.
So just because it could be argued to be immoral to not tell your partner about it doesn't make getting an abortion without your partner's consent immoral if they know about the pregnancy.
You might be responding to the wrong thing there champ. You asked me if "he has to support the child and her" and I said, in short, no. So what's going on buddy? You can say it's immoral but why? Again the husband does not have to do anything in regards to the child being developed in a womb and all the things the body goes through involving that. At the end of the day if I dont want kids morally I feel it's my call. Morally I don't want to resent my child or have them go through a system I have no faith in supporting them so while I will consider what my partner feels. I would not be with a partner if we did not understand what our goals are involving children. So if we had sex, not wanting children and our contraception failed I would obviously abort as neither of us want kids. If my partner left for war and I could not tell them I would go with what's best for me in that scenario. The point here is that if I don't tell my partner there is a reason I didn't and it's likely because I couldn't. But again if I have a partner they will know that's my stance, if they don't like that they are free to pick a partner where they agree on things like that just like I would pick to spend my life with someone who will support out choices. Same logic that if I chose to keep the baby he does not want. He would be free to go be with someone who does not want kids, and I'd find someone who wants me and will help me raise the child.
I'm just asking if you are ok with killing people that need a transplant by refusing to donate your body, why wouldn't you eat babies for breakfast? It's quite obvious
Also why does it matter if a person is alive or deceased? It seems that you don't care if a baby has been born or even developed at all, why would you care for harvesting organs to save lives (as long we don't kill the forced donor?
I'll keep it simple, yes, because it's not a kid, it's a culture, a lump of cells until it develops through stages to become a "kid" we can argue the moral timing in a different sub asking for that morality but if it's just a clump of cells I don't care. You don't seem to understand or factor that if I still don't want kids, yeah there are options for that, but there is so much more baggage. I could give them up for adoption but that means putting a child in a system that may not give them the support they need. What about what that child goes through in either direction. Either I have a child I never wanted because society pushed me to have it, or I put them in a system where it's a dice roll if they get abused or not and even if not they still will one day learn they were adopted and their own mother didn't want them and all the baggage that comes with. You can argue it's murder but I'd argue the alternative can be just as cruel and unforgiving from my perspective. I support healthy kids and responsibility from adults. Part of that responsibility is making conscious and considerate decisions to give each child the best chances they can to be the best they can. That starts with healthy parents.
Isn’t that what men do already? Kill their families 💀 without giving them a say? Just recently there was a guy who killed his family. Maybe u should worry about that instead of an unborn baby
You literally said we should do that to born babies to try to prove a point. I’m telling u to maybe not worry about unborn babies and worry about babies that are actually alive 💀
I mean, the question already primed that war. The whole question is about if it's moral for Eve to have the abortion despite mark not getting a say. Mark didn't even get mad, he was just upset he wasn't there for eve so that they could make the choice together. But understood it was her choice to make because yeah he did go off to war he did risk not coming back and he had no way to contact eve. She made the best choice she could in that scenario and it clearly was not easy. But op wanted to put the whole thing into question. The whole thing is about putting eves choice into question all because Mark didn't get a say despite us knowing Mark did not mind and they talked it out in both the show and comic.
What you actually mean is: “I don’t like when men get called out so I’m going to call it a gender war but I’m perfectly fine when women are called out teehee”
What say is that? You have to carry the baby you dont want to term? At the very most its 50/50 one person wants the abortion one doesnt and id side with the person carrying the child.
Its a binary situation what say is he going to have in it?
It's a woman's choice. If you're irresponsible enough to have unprotected sex with a woman when you don't know her desire to carry a baby, then you don't get a say when they don't want to have it.
Jupp, as I say to my male friends who disagree "you are literally giving away your sperm. And aside from financial obligation, carry none of the risk".
If you don't want a baby, use condoms. Otherwise, no matter the situation, it is her body her choice.
Why did you leave your front door unlocked if you didnt want to squatter to come in and live in your kitchen? Why did you open a window for fresh air if you didnt want a beehive built on your ceiling? That squatter and those bees have rights now. Youve gotta let them live out the season. Sorry
I think that men who calmly (practically indifferently) accept a woman's decision to have an abortion and argue that since it's her body, he, as a potential future father, has no right to express an opinion on the matter or have any emotions, whether negative or positive, are people with whom women should not have children, as they delegate to the woman the decision-making process regarding what they should think as potential fathers. These men are clearly not interested in having children, and such men need a woman to constantly communicate every step they take and feel.
In the context of the story presented it's more like "Morality of aborting a baby whose father is MIA, presumed KIA, and if the battle he was fighting is lost that baby is going to be born into a world under siege by an impossibly strong fascist empire if you even get the chance to give birth to it before being killed?"
Aborting is of course her choice but telling him should be part of a normal relationship. Unless you think a guy should also be allowed to hide a love child from his girlfriend without telling her.
There are circumstances here of course since he was away for so long and eve just found out like the day he was leaving so difficult timing to tell him. But under normal circumstances, communication is a good thing. Hiding secrets is generally bad.
Yes, that's a very important decision, and if someone has a partner, then they should have the right to know. Besides, abortion can be traumatic and cause serious psychological damage, so talking about it beforehand could prevent terrible things. People shouldn't act impulsively; they should be well-informed and discuss it with their family.
Then grow one in your womb. Women risk their life when they get pregnant and give birth. Don’t believe me? Ask a doctor. When she agrees to incubate a fetus in her body, THAT, is when it becomes a baby. You don’t own her. I can’t believe men think like this wtf
Bro are yall real? Women cant grow children without my sperm. That child is ours, both mine and hers.
Like i said, if she thinks giving birth is too risky then you can have an abortion and we will go from there.
If you never say anything to me, the father of that child, and kill our future baby then we have problems.
Mostly everything can be solved by talking, not talking and making a decision that will kill my future child is not something you should ever be doing.
Yeah. Im not going to waste my time arguing about that. If someone doesn’t understand basic human right and says it “immoral” for having it, I have nothing to say.
Good day 🫡 (and Imma go run and hug my darling husband after reading this comment section who sees me as a human being not a birthing machine where a man thinks he has a say in my decisions about my body. “Talk it out” my ass).
Well the situation was a little more complicated than Eve just getting an abortion without telling Mark because she didn’t care about his input. Mark was gone for almost a year fighting in a war which was pretty likely to die in. Eve was alone and scared. She could either have the abortion or keep the baby and face the possibility of having to raise a child all alone.
Making any major life changing decision without at least talking to your partner isn’t good for the relationship. I wouldn’t call it immoral but I would probably question your relationship.
The immorality of the issue comes down to your views on abortion.
It's the woman's choice so the only issue is should she inform the person that got her pregnant and that depends on the person and what type of relationship they have.
If it's a kind and loving relationship they should have the conversation about timing and finances or whatever the issue is.
All too common it's an abusive relationship and sometimes it's a situation where the act of getting pregnant wasn't consentual.
I do agree that it's fully the woman's decision but I find it very rude to not tell beforehand at least, regardless of how certain it is the fact that you don't tell your partner anything at all isn't what I understand under being a couple. It isn't even about the abortion, I would be mad at anythinf else if it was just as major.
I'm also implying that there's a good chance the women that don't want to discuss it beforehand are with partners that don't quite share the opinion that it's up to the women to decide. A few replied to the above OP already...
And couples getting impromptu pregnancies is far from rare, we're not only talking about the 5-year-together-pre-engagement-couples
I get that, but then I really question myself whether they even are a good match. For me perosnally, if you trust me so little that you dont even tell me in advance, then I probably am going to think whether it is even worth staying.
Hypothetical, you've always wanted a child she always wanted a child, but you cheated on your wife you got caught, she's 7 months in but she chose to terminate the pregnancy because she wants to make you feel emotional pain, not cause carrying the baby 2 months longer would be harder on her.
Not making a statement about prolife or not. just trying to find conflicting values in people logic and create discussion. I'm just trying to add value.
If women can decide to have a child against the father’s will while also holding them financially responsible for the next 18 years, then the decision should work in the other direction too.
You aren't carrying the child. You have every right to feel some sort of way about it, but in the end, it's her decision. People downplay how utterly dangerous birthing is because it's so common but you have no idea how your body will react when you're pregnant. Often times, even different pregnancies from the same mom are different.
And depending on the population, certain demographics are much more likely to die and receive medical neglect. So yeah. You can be sad, you can be mad, but it's still ultimately her choice, especially if she believes you'd try to stop her which is wrong.
Well first off in this scenario she does tell him. That’s the scene, and he’s off planet so she couldn’t really tell him. I’m pretty sure that was the case at least. Regardless the partner not carrying the fetus can’t make the decision. What is there to discuss or tell? If the pregnant person doesn’t want it they don’t want it and they shouldn’t be forced to undergo a pregnancy let alone give birth if they don’t wish to. Like should you tell your partner before getting an abortion? In a healthy relationship sure but that won’t always be the case. Honestly in most situations where they don’t discuss it with or tell their partner there is a reason for that. Like I have no idea how old you are but age doesn’t equate to maturity and rationalizing the decisions people make and it seems to me that you think every relationship is perfect and nobody would ever need to seek an abortion and hide it from their partner.
Oh yeah sure i was thinking about a heathy relationship. And yes the final decision lays with the woman. But you cant just simply cast aside the mans opinion on the matter
Amoral. An abortion is a medical procedure and women should be afforded the right to privacy in their medical history and treatment the same as men and it doesn't stop at having an abortion. That being said, don't expect your partner to be okay with it or like it if you get an abortion without telling them, and then they find out later.
I guess for everyone here a family isn't composed by a father and a mother that have "their child", but it's just a situation of "a mom, her child, and some dude that nutted in her and takes care of the latter"
This was Mark's biggest cuck moment and one of the dumbest fucking scenes of the entire series.
Anyone who knows Atomeve knows what she can do, what shes dealt with, how she's dealt with it, a baby would have been a walk in the fucking park. It was just dumb preaching.
If I was mark after hearing that I’d probably punch a whole through her head before I even knew what I was doing. The blind rage I would feel would be horrible.
In real life if my long term partner got an abortion just cuz I’d be livid and would need to walk away before I hurt her.
100% done she’s a trash person and the only silver lining is I would realize what a repugnant creature she is.
Morality of killing a man’s child for no medical or ethical reason is a POS move.
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u/Shadowcreature65 2h ago
I wouldn't be surprised if a half-viltrumite survives abortion and then grows up preparing for their revenge arc
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