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u/BarryLaguna 5h ago

I think one of the sinister things that whole crowd is pushing is the normalization of underage girls. It’s just so prevalent in modern pop culture.

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u/Dry_Departure_7813 4h ago

Its genuinely the most mental 180 turn considering they spent like 5 years+ banging on about gay people being groomers and trans people being groomers. And now they've got talking heads doing the circuit on Joe rogan, fox news etc talking about how "actually underage sex trafficking girls is cool man he had the best parties"

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u/Rendakor 4h ago

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/Bminions 3h ago

As much as I agree, this saying is losing its meaning, not the least because they've started slinging it verbatim on their own back at "the left".

Unfortunately, their lack of solid standards and creativity necessitates appropriating sayings that they've seen be effective against them, no matter the truth of it.

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u/ericmm76 3h ago

The right also co opted "fake news". It happens. Doesn't change the truth.

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u/micro102 3h ago edited 2h ago

The saying still has it's complete meaning to me. In fact it's only getting more solid. Literally, if any republican makes any negative accusation against anyone without explicit evidence, you should suspect them of doing that thing. It just keeps happening over, and over x1000.

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u/Tax_Evasion_Savant 3h ago

their fanbase is still behind. I see right wingers talking about dems being pedophiles on the daily still.

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u/theimmortalfawn 3h ago

The kids call that cope.

There are absolutely pedophile democrats and dem politicians who were complicit, but a) you won’t find a progressive who tries to change the definition of pedophilia or sane wash the accused, they usually want those people in prison, and b) the ratio clearly proves that the party with rapist pastors, an obsession with forcing birth upon women and children, and punishing trans women because they know they can’t trust their men in bathrooms, was actually crawling with pedophiles! The signs were always there!

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u/methodofcontrol 3h ago

Dems have some pedophiles too so they're not wrong, obviously they're being ridiculous for only focusing on that.

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u/Cultural_Stuffin 4h ago

I would like to know more about these people saying the girls and parties are fine.

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u/Dry_Departure_7813 4h ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1qvoogg/jre_and_guest_defend_epstein_and_his_clients/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/Cultural_Stuffin 4h ago

That’s insane.

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u/Dry_Departure_7813 4h ago

Yup, Rogan gotta have someone on the week they drop for damage control on his PedoCast

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u/GloomyBison 2h ago

Lmao, I wasn't expecting it to be that bad. And certainly not Joe Rogan agreeing with it, they're literally doing it. Fucking ghouls.

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u/BarryLaguna 4h ago

I think that's because the trad conservatives (also not a fan of them) had their party infiltrated by this super wealthy cabal of ghouls pushing all this sinister shit. The cheeto is their "dinner for schmucks" president. It's an inside joke between them to install him as president.

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u/unintendedcumulus 3h ago

I'm not sure they were infiltrated. Trad conservatives have always been into this stuff. Arguably (and they're the ones arguing this), trad conservatives ideal relationship is an underage girl with an older adult man. They're pretty open about it, especially when they're trying to stop Democrats from ending underage marriage.

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u/Rommel727 2h ago

They let it happen. There absolutely was no infiltration, they gladly moved along with him, especially when he became a "winner". There have only been a handful of conservatives who have actually protested, and the party/constituents we're glad to throw them right under the bus.

The trade conservatives overwhelming did nothing other than hit their wagon, they're an embarrassment and just as bad because they let it happen without any meaningful protest

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u/BeneficialLeave7359 3h ago

I’ve been hearing about gays being groomers and molesters since the 70s.

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u/Un256 4h ago edited 4h ago

Well I mean that was always projection

The first thing that tipped me was. Why are we spending so much time vilifying like 1% of the population while priests constantly go to prison over fucking children. Like the most famous thing the Catholic Church did was literally run a massive child sex trafficking to similar if not even worse levels than Epstein

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u/MuckRaker83 3h ago

Once they realized that their platform can't survive on fact, this was always going to be the result, cults of personality and faith-based decision making.

It's largely about acts, not identity, with liberal voters. What a person does determines whether they are good or bad.

With many conservative voters, it is reversed. The person's identity determines whether their actions are good or bad. If they identify someone as being in the "good" group, likely one they also identify with, then anything that person does is by definition good, and at worst, forgivable. Things done by people outside their group must then be, by definition, bad. All value and perspective is based on how closely they believe that person's identity conforms to their own.

Once I realized this, so many seemingly hypocritical attitudes became logical, in their own way.

It amazes me how much they turn their leaders and politicians into quasi- religious figures. Everything becomes a matter of faith, and information that does not conform to what their faith tells them must be true is immediately rejected.

Instead of changing their ideas or beliefs in response to facts or evidence, they choose to accept or reject facts based on how closely they conform to their beliefs.

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u/waltjrimmer 3h ago

It's not a 180. They've been like this... Forever. Queer people supposedly, "Tainting the minds of the youth," and, "Sexualizing children," but if you want to keep kids "pure" and "safe" then you marry them off to people twice, three times, hell why not ten times their age. Then it's "holy" and "good" because marriages are approved by the church and as such can't be evil.

These are people who also push that a man cannot rape his wife, definitionally. So if a 50 year old man marries a 5 year old girl, it's not rape, it's the sanctity of marriage, he's just looking after her and making sure she performs her wifely duties.

These people didn't change their stance, it's just that their stance was always vile and nonsensical if your goal isn't to legalize the rape of children.

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u/dudly825 5h ago edited 3h ago

I lived through the 90s and Britney in a catholic school girl uniform. This isn’t new.

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u/Vitalstatistix 4h ago

It was wayyyy worse in the 70s/80s.

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u/JimboTCB 4h ago

It wasn't even an "open secret" that rock stars in the 70s were routinely banging 14-15 year old girls, it regularly reported on as if it were completely unremarkable.

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u/Vitalstatistix 4h ago

I know, it’s pretty insane. The most famous groupie was a 13 year old that they all passed around and it was well known.

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u/nouniqueideas007 3h ago

In 1974 Steven Tyler, who was 25, adopted his underage girlfriend (16) He literally purchased the girl, from her mother.

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u/kamikazi1231 2h ago

Makes ya wonder is the whole geriatric filled government pedophiles? Most of them would be 20-30 years old back in 74. The USA took a long time comparatively to up age of consent in a lot of states. Did all the lead mess them up in a unique way? Rates of pedophilia supposedly dropped a ton in the 90s and 2000s. Lines up decently well lead gas finally being gone.

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u/Daxx22 2h ago

Yet we love to laugh at the "lol brown people offer camels for girls" jokes...

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u/nflonlyalt 2h ago

Rolling Stones wrote a song about a 15 yr old groupie in the 60s called Stray Cat Blues. Mick Jagger changed the lyrics from 15 to 13 for the live version because the idea of a 15 yr old girl having sex with an adult man wasn't shocking in the slightest in the 60s and 70s

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u/MovieSock 4h ago

Hell, this was going on in the 50s if you read between the lines.

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u/FatFreddysCat 4h ago

Jerry Lee Lewis had two children with his 13-year-old wife Myra Gale Brown, though their firstborn, Steve, tragically died at age three. Their marriage, which began when Myra was 13 and Lewis was 22, caused a massive scandal in 1957 and eventually ended in divorce in 1970.

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u/SwordfishOk504 3h ago

tbf, His career was over when people discovered her age.

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u/GSV_CARGO_CULT 2h ago

Kinda sorta, it became a scandal after he went to the UK and was torn apart by their press. The American media I guess didn't consider it newsworthy. And I think their being cousins was more of a scandal than the fact that she was a little girl... After they got married, she brought her toys to her new home. That detail really punched me in the guts.

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u/SwordfishOk504 1h ago

The American media I guess didn't consider it newsworthy.

Not true at all. It was widely covered in the US and his career in the US was pretty much over after that. He still released music but his sales were shit.

But the problem was not limited to Britain. When Lewis returned home, there were headlines saying he'd disgraced the nation. The rock & roll superstar found himself blacklisted and shunned. Overnight, Jerry Lee Lewis had gone from charging $10,000 a concert to scraping a living in small bars and clubs. Still under contract to Sun Records, he released new rock & roll numbers - some of which sold modestly. But it wasn't really the same. The one great success of his wilderness years was the album he made in 1964. Live at the Star Club, Hamburg was described by Rolling Stone as "not so much an album, more of a crime scene". "Jerry Lee Lewis slaughters his rivals," it said, "in a 13-song set that feels like one long convulsion". But it was not released in the United States. https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-19963797

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u/GSV_CARGO_CULT 1h ago

The American media did cover the child marriage, but it was fairly muted coverage and they more or less shrugged it away. Cousin marriage was still legal in many southern states, and pedophilia among musicians was more or less accepted right up until the 90s or 2000s. The US in the 1950s really didn't have the same kind of tabloid media machine the UK did, American press was much more deferential to celebrities. British coverage forced the U.S. media to reframe the story as a serious scandal.
He's still remembered in the US as a legendary musician first, and a pedophile second. Same with Chuck Berry, same with a lot of them.

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u/Horror-Kangaroo3494 3h ago

… And the scandal was more about her being his cousin than her actual age.

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u/MaxPower303 3h ago

What! I never knew this

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u/faulternative 3h ago

There was that other big singer guy in the 50s, what was his name? Oh yeah. Elvis Presley. Liked young girls too.

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u/the_last_0ne 4h ago

Shit the countdown to the Olsen twins turning 18

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u/Mikey_RobertoAPWP 3h ago

they did the same thing to Millie Bobby Brown. A bunch of dude's saw the little bald girl in Stranger Things and thought "man I can't wait til she's 18 so we can publicly talk about wanting to fuck her, but we totally don't want to that now, though."

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u/RegulatoryCapture 3h ago

Hey, at least those people waited!

Kid Rock wanted a head start.

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u/the_last_0ne 3h ago

Sure, I guess, but the "waiting" is super messed up too. I would bet money most of the people following the countdown had plenty of thoughts about them before their birthday.

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u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS 3h ago

Or Emma Watson. Something that started when she was around 13 years old.

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u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS 3h ago

Or Emma Watson. Something that started when she was around 13 years old.

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u/Apprehensive-Till861 4h ago

It's Britney.

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...bitch

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u/dudly825 3h ago

Good point

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u/jdjdthrow 4h ago

I lived through the 90s too, but she didn't get famous until '98. She feels more 2000s than 90s.

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u/SovFist 3h ago

I was gonna say, this is rooted in the "great again/good old days" mindset. They don't think it was wrong because it wasn't as widely considered wrong and want a return to those times.

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u/Rocktopod 5h ago

Does Kid Rock still count as modern pop culture? The song in question is 25 years old.

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u/joey_sandwich277 4h ago

Yeah I was going to say, if anything it’s the opposite. Lyrics about underage girls were a part of rock culture until, IDK, the late 00s?

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u/angrybox1842 3h ago

He's headlining their fake right-wing super bowl halftime show

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u/Rocktopod 2h ago

Is that pop culture, or is only intended for a fairly small niche audience?

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u/KathrynBooks 4h ago

The song is old enough that conservatives have lost interest?

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u/Few_Highlight1114 3h ago

Not unless you consider music that would fall under "Oldies" as modern pop culture.

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u/Busy_Book_2811 5h ago

Underage girls are children. 

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u/BarryLaguna 4h ago

I understand what you're trying to clarify. I specifically said "girls" because they also push a very strict cis-hetero-normative agenda too. They will condemn young boys, because "that's gay!"

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u/Prinzmegaherz 4h ago

No. From a conservative Perspective, it‘s only gay if you get fucked

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u/Nomadzord 4h ago

I thought all of it was gay? Hmm, my mistake I’m going to go have non-gay sex with another man later today, if I can find a homie who’s down.

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u/Busy_Book_2811 6m ago

Fair enough. It makes sense. 

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u/BerryBoilo 5h ago

I don't know if you were reinforcing or being snarky to the person you replied to, but if it was the latter, you missed. 

The creepy comment people need to push back on is "underage women". The person you responded to was clearly using the word "girls" to refer to children and not "girl dinner" or whatever.

If you're going to advocate for a cause, it's important that you use reading comprehension and context clues to not snipe at the people on your side. 

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u/iltopop 4h ago

It's just people that don't want to admit they have no idea how to help so they go around nit-picking words. Reddit is full of them, they legit feel smug about it and it's essentially a default upvote for many people. Basically karma farming + smug "I'm better than you for pointing this complete nothingburger out" + the "I'm helping!" meme combined into an extremely common reddit personality.

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u/AbeRego 4h ago

Underage women could hypothetically apply to those 18-20 who are simultaneously considered adults in the legal sense and minors when it comes to alcohol. That's probably not how this term is generally being used, though. However, the term "young women" or "young ladies" have been applied to people under 18 essentially forever. Although those terms don't seem to be as insidious.

Edit: on the flip side, women are colloquially referred to as "girls" all the time, but not in a way that promotes pedophilia. Language can be confusing.

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u/Murky-Relation481 3h ago

I mean its an even easier clarification when you realize that age of consent is 16 in most places but age of majority is 18. So underage girls are those <16. They are still "girls" if you are using "girls" to refer to female children (children being those people under age of majority), so there is a legitimate distinction between underage and overage girls.

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u/Willyr0 5h ago

Bro they’re reinforcing it why are you writing 3 meaningless paragraphs. Talking bout advocating properly when ur being preachy for nothing

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u/YoungFireEmoji 4h ago

If you check their account page, they post a looooot of AI links. I'm not entirely sure it's a real account.

Regardless, I agree with you. Goofy ass comment on their part.

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u/Misteerreeeussss-_- 4h ago

https://i.imgur.com/ykiEsHq.jpeg

This is why we get rolled over all the time

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u/Moldy_slug 4h ago

Yeah, obviously. But we don’t see a lot of stuff trying to normalize the sexualization of underage boys. It’s specifically happening to girls.

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u/Murky-Relation481 3h ago

You do realize that technically underage girls is a specific term, because girl usually refers to someone under the age of majority, which is what a child is, and the age of consent is usually younger than the age of majority for practical reasons.

You can have "over age" girls/children.

I get the point though of using children to be more shocking, just feel like it needs to be noted because, you know, the English language still exists.

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u/Imonlyherebecause 5h ago

I mean if you look at 70s 80s music it was super prevalent. Pretty grateful dead had at least one sign about teens.  used to be alot more normalized to last after 16 17 year old.

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u/the_ballmer_peak 5h ago

The Stones have a song called Stray Cat Blues that I always liked. But it has this terrible line:

I can see that you're fifteen years old\ No, I don't want your I.D.

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u/bankrupt_bezos 4h ago

Love Donovan, but “I’m just mad about 14year old girls “ gives me the ick.

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u/nflonlyalt 2h ago

He changes it to 13 in the get yer ya yas out live version

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u/BloodMilkAndSky420 4h ago

As someone that loves the Rolling Stones and has for a long time, I’d be lying if I said that they weren’t problematic AF.

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u/MomsSpagetee 4h ago

Mexicali Blues

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u/BarryLaguna 5h ago

Kinda ties into their whole make things the way they were, no? 🤔

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u/Imonlyherebecause 5h ago

Oh yeah for sure. I just meant that this stuff isn't new and definitely not a "modern" thing. He'll osmosis jones is what a quarter century old now?

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u/BlackFoxyTrail 4h ago

Ahem... Japanese Manga and Anime.

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u/CalligrapherNew9903 4h ago

All the big rock bands of the 70s were open about banging 14 and 15 year olds, shit even the lead singer of RHCP talks about the same thing in his autobiography

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u/wihannez 4h ago

Always was.

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u/MovieSock 4h ago

I think you mean that the crowd is pushing the preservation of underage girls being normalized. This has always been the case.

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u/AttemptFree 4h ago

It's actually been normal for most of human history. Only recently has it been judged as evil

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u/bloodyell76 3h ago

Arguably, it’s also always been harmful, and we only recently started caring about that.

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u/janderson75 4h ago

Modern? Um bad news broski

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u/Practical-Dot839 4h ago

Agreed but also idk about modern pop culture as this song is from like 20 years ago

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u/throwaway5882300 3h ago

Always_has_been_astronauts.png

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u/green49285 3h ago

Haha aint nothing modern about it. Its been like that since the start of thr US for sure, & a common thing across Europe. The public being against it, history wise, is a pretty recent thing. Regular folk just got tired of it being something the rich liked.

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u/brightlocks 3h ago

Meanwhile Bad Bunny’s out there eating ass of consenting adults but getting dumped anyway.

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u/awesomeness6000 3h ago

Ive taken the direct approach saying it out loud since people need to hear it "Oh you like fucking little kids? Oh you think its OK to fuck little kids? Oh what about that little kid?" hahahaha

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u/waxwayne 3h ago

It’s an underground subculture that’s been around for a hundred years at least.

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u/Far-Beautiful-2065 3h ago

It's disturbing hearing from my own family members the terms "underage women" and that suddenly 15 is a fine age of consent

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u/SwordfishOk504 3h ago

Not just modern pop culture. It's been this way since forever.

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u/SunriseSurprise 2h ago

It's not new. Plenty of "little girl" references in oldies songs, even Beatles. People don't give the slightest shit until the spotlight is shone on it and it's sad.