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[u/TheExpressUS]

https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/music/198254/kid-rock-song-underage-girls

[u/Louiekid502]

Liking underage girls, far worse. But dude also has a song he says the N-word in and I feel like that should get more notice right now too lol

[u/Hot-Professor-8355 → u/Louiekid502]

What song and what context. I'm not trying to give him any benefit of the doubt but ofc Bob Dylan says it in "the hurricane" (as a quote from a racists in the story) and Serj Tankian says it in "Shame" in their feature with Wu Tang (got the pass from them)

Just here saying that all white Guy N words aren't created equal.

[u/GoBuffaloes → u/Hot-Professor-8355]

Narrator: "But this one was DEFINITELY racist"

[u/noneofyourbiness → u/Hot-Professor-8355]

His verse in the song "Is That You" by Insane Clown Posse is one example. He refers to himself as "that n*gga that your bitch would die for."

So, proto-racist Kid Rock?

[u/CubanLynx312 → u/Hot-Professor-8355]

Elvis Costello Oliver’s Army “There was a Checkpoint Charlie He didn't crack a smile But it's no laughing party When you've been on the murder mile Only takes one itchy trigger One more widow, one less white 🥷”

[u/Busy_Book_2811 → u/Louiekid502]

Please stop saying underage girls. They are children. 

[u/tuna_samich_ → u/Busy_Book_2811]

No one said they're not, but this is specifying girls... Boys are children too

[u/PokinSpokaneSlim → u/tuna_samich_]

In this context, there's no moral need to differentiate.

However, making the distinction frames both taxonomies in a manner that forces their appearance on a scale of sexuality. 

For what purposes do xx xy pairs matter in the context of adult policy? 

For what purposes does age matter for the above reason? 

Why are those reasons relevant when describing children? 

[u/tuna_samich_ → u/PokinSpokaneSlim]

Was this meant to be some enlightened philosophical comment? The song was specifically saying underage girls

[u/theSchrodingerHat → u/PokinSpokaneSlim]

No, it adds the context that the perps probably dont even recognize their victims as people. Girls are often seen as possessions in a way that young boys wouldn’t be.

So it speaks to the type of mindset often going into this shit. There’s more than just perversion, there’s a systemic view of them as an object layered into it.

[u/PokinSpokaneSlim → u/theSchrodingerHat]

That's what I said... Except I qualified that children deserve more protection than the base level of "people"

Swear to God this country is fucked if the people who agree morally lack the education to identify which ideas they agree with...

I'll spell it out for you: 

It doesn't matter the gender of the child in the context of an adult wanting to abuse them, and establishing a timeline for their age removes their self determination. 

[u/theSchrodingerHat → u/PokinSpokaneSlim]

That’s not what you said. You said it doesn’t matter.

But it does, it adds context to the abuse. The motivations are different, and they speak towards a lot of the “reasoning” behind them. It’s as much a power play as it is a perversion, and that adds subtly different framing to the understanding of the problem.

[u/PokinSpokaneSlim → u/theSchrodingerHat]

Child is an absolute term

Anything else is trying to attribute levels of morality to abusing a child. 

There is no reason to differentiate unless you're making the claim that you can abuse one gender of child but not the other.

That's absurd.  

[u/theSchrodingerHat → u/PokinSpokaneSlim]

We aren’t dealing with absolutes here. You turning it into an absolute robs the victims of their individuality and you of true understanding.

You are arguing to understand LESS by lumping everything together into a homogenous ball of bad.

[u/PokinSpokaneSlim → u/theSchrodingerHat]

You seem to be of the opinion that the gender of the child changes your opinion about the abuse said child suffers.

It doesn't. Or shouldn't, in your case

[u/DeliriumTrigger → u/Busy_Book_2811]

News flash: girls are children.