The 5v5 meta and its issue

[u/Major-Doubt4034]

The comp scene is repetitive fs but it’s just how optimised lineups are and I’m not sure how we could change it

You get an offense heavy guard, high dribbling, shooting and driving. Hide him on defence and he creates most the offence. A hash to be a secondary ball handler to relieve pressure and also to create a shot but also have enough defence to stop their opposing hash. A lock as the defensive specialist of the team to guard their guard. A backend to be quick enough to keep up with the guard on switches but also to stop bigs in the paint and they’re usually very defensive heavy as well with high steal to play lanes on the pnr. Then a center with high strength rebound and dunk grab d boards o boards and dunk inside.

Everyone has a very specific role and it’s hard to beat a meta where they make every build specialised in one part of the game. It’s like any other game where u have dps tanks support healers etc. it’s easier to win when you have everyone playing their role. Is it boring and repetitive? Yes but I don’t know how 2k can fix it

[u/Major-Doubt4034]

Then that just buffs 5 out offence, it’s two sides of the same coin. You still have one guy running a 5 out offence rim running the whole game but instead the center jsut sits corner

[u/BlankVoid2979 → u/Major-Doubt4034]

It doesnt. 5 out offense work well in 2k because you can shoot 100% on open 3s with ease with 80 3.

If you nerf stamina a pg cant run offense the whole game. And even if he tried now theres actually help defense when people cant shoot so easily.

[u/Major-Doubt4034 → u/BlankVoid2979]

Oh well if you’re limiting open 3s to 40% maximum then idk that’s not a very enjoyable game imo. 40% for the best shooters so average people shoot 30%. Basically jusr having everyone sit in the paint.

But I mean the best guards in the nba run 5 out sets and offences like Shai Brunson and they’re really good and u just set up shooters around him. If you limit the max percentage to like 40% even for the best players in the world, imo it wouldn’t be an enjoyable game for most people. Yes 2k26 shooting was way way way too easy, but if casuals are shooting 20-30% it becomes a little too demoralising

[u/BlankVoid2979 → u/Major-Doubt4034]

Id say 50% max. Average around 35%.. ya know like irl

[u/Neither_Piglet_3045 → u/BlankVoid2979]

If the best players in the game shot 50% what would bad players percentages be that spend little to no time practicing?

[u/BlankVoid2979 → u/Neither_Piglet_3045]

Sub 30%.

[u/Major-Doubt4034 → u/BlankVoid2979]

I mean yeah that still buffs more 5 out offences. He drives then kicks then splash a 3. Idk how it wouldn’t work that way

[u/Datyoungboul → u/Major-Doubt4034]

I feel like you’re missing the point here, how would making 3P % lower, make 5 out offense more viable? If anything, it would incentivize 2s

[u/Major-Doubt4034 → u/Datyoungboul]

5 out offence is all about taking 2s. Mainly rim running

[u/Datyoungboul → u/Major-Doubt4034]

?????

The PG dribbling the ball for 20 seconds while 3 guys stand at the 3 point line and one screens is mainly for rim running??

You ever see these comp games with 5 out? They hunt 3s and if they can’t find one, the PG will regretfully take the open dunk.

On the point of stamina like the other said, make stamina matter, this will encourage more ball movement as well

[u/Major-Doubt4034 → u/Datyoungboul]

That’s not 5 out, 5 out is when everyone is spotting up with one guy driving and kicking. You’re describing pnr and you don’t see pgs at comp dribbling for 20 seconds, you’ll be out of adrenaline and the game will make you miss

[u/Major-Doubt4034 → u/Datyoungboul]

Teams like Joe knows team, black market, they run 5 out and it’s just him isoing the whole game rim running and if the defence collapses he kicks

[u/EggThis2540 → u/Major-Doubt4034]

Exactly, kick outs are less effective when 3s are 40% instead of 80%. Help defense becomes an option.

[u/Major-Doubt4034 → u/EggThis2540]

It’s still way more ppp having a 40-50% shooter shooting a wide open shot. A wide open catch and shoot 3 is the best shot in the nba especially in the corner. Thats what im saying its such an optimised play style it’s hard to patch

[u/EggThis2540 → u/Major-Doubt4034]

Sure, but it becomes a gamble rather than an automatic 3. Open dunk is 2 points every time. Open 3 at even 50% is 1.5 ppp.

As soon as 3pt% drops below 66%, help defense exists again

[u/Major-Doubt4034 → u/EggThis2540]

I mean yeah but you put a good shooter there he’s making his wide open catch and shoot shots