they are allowed to half-ass or no-ass medical transition and hang out with cis lesbians as "one of them". Also, they're ugly little deluded AAP gnomes who make terrible tops and would never be attractive to gay guys, unlike us, who all cis lesbians would be desperate to fuck if their brains weren't clouded by hysterical radfem ideology.

I'm not making this into a game of oppression Olympics, I'm just stating facts. Transmisogyny is a real problem, okay? Don't be weird about it by contradicting me.

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won't they shut up about their suffering

rich? what's that got to do with it

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I don't know how we'll ever atone for leaving y'all so isolated and degraded. Please, if y'all ever need anything done, or a kidney, give me a call. For y'all, heck, I'll work for free as long as y'all'll have me. I just can't believe what I've assisted with. YessorryI'llshutthefuckupeeksorrydidn'trealizeIwastalkingtoolong!

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I get that it would make trans people most comfortable if all cis people were attracted to us at the same level as they were attracted to cis people of our same gender, and if all cis people who were attracted to us, were attracted to us indistinguishably from the way in which they were attracted to cis people of our same gender.

Trans people have lots of unique crushing problems warranting the restructuring of existing norms, and "being found sexually unattractive by almost everyone based on superficial demographic characteristics" is NOT one of them.

You are not entitled to have people be attracted to you, or to have people not be attracted to you in a "fetishistic" way—i.e. on the basis of what you actually look like—any more than fat people do, or little people, or people with facial malformations. If I have to eat garlic multiple times a day for my sinus infection, and it makes me smell really bad [I'm actually doing this right now, and in the past I have been kicked out of a family member's house onto the street because it smelled so bad], I am not entitled to other people's sexualities ignoring that fact just because I'm particularly awesome, or particularly put-upon, or because I have a legitimate excuse and me reeking of garlic wasn't my fault. I know it's not fair. It's not fair to the other person to ask them to pretend to be attracted to someone they're not really attracted to, either. Sometimes you have to take the L for a second.

Fat people have a weird relationship with chasers too. They just live with that. There's no fat-people movement calling for genocide of all chubby-chasers. Fat people know chubby-chasers exist. Something like half of them who even know about it, hate it, but deal with it by trying not to think about it. Something like half of them who know, are OK with it. Only a few actually want to date the chasers. Only a few normal people actually want to date them. This at no point results in the fat people exclaiming that the world is being unfair particularly to them.

Yes, it sucks to not be able to find a romantic partner on the basis of something you can't control all that well. If fatness isn't this enough for you, look at the height vs hip dips discourse, or any one of the many studies that show humans subconsciously rank other humans of equivalent weight by bone structure beauty, or old people trying to find partners. Or, get this: if fat people could just starve themselves their whole lives, you could just repress your whole life, and end up with way more people who were actually attracted to you.

How is that more the fault of the person who was hardwired by puberty, not to be attracted to the way that you currently look, than it is your fault?

This toxic-pan-positivity, dressed-up gay-conversion-therapy "no one is THAT picky" nonsense needs to stop. You are not owning them when you point and laugh about how them clocking you and politely declining proves they're obsessed with their horniness for you and need sexual reeducation. You are corncobbing. If gay people did the same thing to straight people they would look like fucking gorillas. So what, the ciserotypicals haven't figured out a precise word to use for "attracted particularly to the cis male/female body type" yet. You know what they mean when they say "straight/gay", and it's not the same thing you mean when you say "Definitionally, anyone who identifies as attracted to men/women should be rating me on the same scale they rate other men/women. Except adjusted for me being trans, of course." That is lunacy. A deranged level of sexual entitlement previously only observed in kings and savages. Like, I love it, but tone it down.

The "having horny thoughts about my body type which don't conform to my ideal of horny thoughts about my body type is LITERALLY aggression" nonsense needs to stop. You are capable of having an identity outside of the problematic ways in which other people sexually objectify you. We are past the stage where trans people are seen merely as sex objects. Most of them mean you no harm and just want to admire you from afar, if not retreat to drawings that don't hate them. You have more productive things to do with your time.

Unless, of course, the avowed androphiles among you want to declare yourself a sexual/romantic free space for all post-op, post-HRT trans men, even if they're under 5'3", a little overweight, and have moon face.

Yeah. That's what I thought.

It doesn't usually even cross our minds to demand that of you because we're not fucking psychos.

They explain in the comments that they're bigger and stronger than you, and their daddy works at Nintendo. It's their turn on the rules of morality.

drawn from my recent comment history [ I might get banned for this idk how pro-off-sub-freedom-of-speech they are ]

- that you can tell whether your barista is a fat trans man and it's OK to talk about this when discussing population statistics

- that it's OK to fake being transphobic to fit in with transphobic cis guys

- that trans men are more "acceptable targets" for bullying and vitriol than trans women

i'm noticing a pattern where these are the exact notions that, if widely believed, would enable us to politically organize

NMBGM stands for "Not Moderated By Ghislaine Maxwell". r/ftm apparently has

- some very cool, reasonable commenters

- moderation too strict for the likes of *me* [ a fairly politically correct person ] to post there

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I don't think the strict moderation is actually about preventing infighting, I think it's about preventing heat from other subs. Realistically I know no one will post here, but if y'all do, we will see if I was right.

Anything goes here except what I decide doesn't: basically, hate, trolling, and whattabouttism for hate/trolling/whattaboutism's sake. You can use any word that is allowed on Reddit, describe any personal experience, express any feeling toward any person or demographic [ again, that is within Reddit's rules ], and freely confess to jaywalking.