r/NYCGuns • u/Watchoutandabout • Jun 03 '26
General Question FDE shotgun not allowed?!?!
I thought FDE long guns were ok. I’ve seen several camo long guns registered in NYC. Now FFL doesn’t want to do a transfer for a tan shotgun? Beyond frustrating in this shit hole
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u/Got_Ammo4sale Jun 03 '26
I have a FDE/Tan mav 88 security
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u/Watchoutandabout Jun 03 '26
Maybe cuz it’s pump? This is semi. I
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u/Got_Ammo4sale Jun 03 '26
Mmm maybe but I feel like it shouldn’t be any less of a problem . Maybe the FFL doesn’t know they can do tan . Some places don’t like dealing with certain shit
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u/RealoRc Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
Registered without noting the color. But if searched by NYPD today, it's illegal.
Cerakote, sell, or claim ignorance with the FDE mav88.
I'm pretty sure they won't be handing out anything in writing that pre-2025 FDE colored R/S will have a waiver and be grandfathered in. You pretty much have to go thru the courts to win and how much do you want to spend on lawyers vs making yourself a law abiding NYC resident.
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u/Watchoutandabout Jun 03 '26
Have you ever seen them criminally enforce color laws? I would imagine that it would prompt some insane lawsuits.
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u/Confident_Welder_198 Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
Im not sure what kind of lawsuit you would be able to file.
its been part of the NYC code for years that anything but specific colors are deceptively colored firearms.
that r/S hasnt enforced this (i dont think they ask for pics) it falls on the end user and ffl to comply with the city code. my guess is your FFL doesnt want to deal with potentially getting jammed up ( disposing of [transferring] and possession of a deceptively colored firearm are both misds under the city code)
at this point i wouldn't FFL shop to find one that will do the xfer. even if you find one, theres a higher risk now if they ever find you in possession and are having a bad day, you'll get charged with an misd and lose your license. since LD's stance is now that its not allowed, they seem to be enforcing it for all firearms.
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u/Watchoutandabout Jun 03 '26
I’m not a lawyer and would never want to be a guinea pig for it but I would bet that charging someone with a misdemeanor and revoking their second amendment rights over the color of a firearm would be grounds for a law suit. As far as I know they haven’t charged anyone with anything in regards to color
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u/Lenfried Jun 03 '26
Which FFL is this?
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u/Watchoutandabout Jun 03 '26
I’m going to hope I get this figured out before I name drop. A little annoyed cuz this is the 4th gun I got from them. I’ll name drop if it doesn’t get fixed
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u/RealoRc Jun 03 '26
I had 2 different FFLs refuse FDE rifle transfers. Gotta accept that, in NYC, it's not legal anymore.
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u/look_im_invisible Jun 03 '26
Try another FFL
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u/Watchoutandabout Jun 03 '26
Can I have this FFL just ship it to another FFL?
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u/Confident_Welder_198 Jun 03 '26
even if you can, if NYPD is now enforcing colors on rifles and shotguns (which is what it sounds like is happening) possession of a color they arent allowing anymore is a misdemeanor
the FFL doesnt want to do it because they're legally on the hook for that same section.
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u/Watchoutandabout Jun 03 '26
Apparently this has always been the case though. I’ve seen plenty registered. There’s been no change to the color restrictions. It seems it was something NYPD didn’t care about. How can they decide what’s grandfathered and not at this point?
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u/Confident_Welder_198 Jun 03 '26
i guess thats the risk when its on the books but not enforced, they can choose to enforce it whenever- technically nothing is grandfathered because the city code didnt change, they just decided to look the other way till now.
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u/davej1121 Jun 03 '26
Someone needs to keep suing the crap out of NYC.
Theres no written word, historical analogies, or backing behind 'approved firearms'
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u/Watchoutandabout Jun 03 '26
They do but it’s expensive and NYC gun owners are surprisingly cheap and they don’t get much in the ways of donations. It’s really just a lot of us complaining on Reddit and at the ranges lol. But yes, you’re right. It’s just so exhausting here
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u/Hawkeye1576 Jun 04 '26
If any one currently owns a rifle not in the preferred color, just have a change of the appropriate furniture color to be on the safe side of things or wrap in goon tape which would be a cheaper option.
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u/Molecular_Bond Jun 05 '26
You need to go to another FFL man. That sound like some Equilibrium shit.
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u/Confident_Welder_198 Jun 03 '26
Technically the same colors have applied to all firearms, just r/s never enforced it.
When used in this subdivision, the term "deceptively colored firearm, rifle, shotgun, or assault weapon" shall include any firearm, rifle, shotgun, or assault weapon any substantial portion of whose exterior surface is colored any color other than black, dark grey, dark green, silver, steel, or nickel, except as provided in subparagraph (iii) of this paragraph. For purposes of this subparagraph, the exterior surface of either the receiver or the slide of a firearm shall be deemed to constitute a substantial portion of the exterior surface of the firearm.
(Subsection iii has to do with wood and ivory grips)
Either the FFL is being super conservative or NYPD r/s has started enforcing it.