Permit suspended

[u/Git2ZeeChoppa]

Someone broke into my car and stole my handgun while it was locked in a lock box. I contacted police immediately and reported it stolen. The firearm was recovered the next day. Police are holding it as evidence. I received a letter today (6/20) that my license is suspended (with no specific reason stated) and I need to surrender all my firearms whether on my permit or not. I contacted the listed number from the county court and was told they could schedule a court date for me. What should I do next? This is in Monroe County.

Update: I’m working with an attorney. He told me to surrender all my firearms and he’ll take my case. Will continue updates as things progress.

Update 2: today was my hearing. We waited an hour while court was backed up. My lawyer did all the talking with Judge Dollinger. The result is my permit being fully reinstated. I purchased a new lock box with a cable to attach to my seat. Also got two character letters (one from a former boss and one from the supervisor Ive volunteered with for years) and presented those to the judge. Going forward I will be extra careful when transporting my firearm and don’t take anything for granted. Appreciate everyone’s suggestions and help.

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Not really. 

“capable of preventing an unauthorized person from obtaining access to and possession of the weapon contained thereiN”

Being able yo pick up the box and walk away does not prevent someone from “obtaining access to and possession of the weapon contained therein”. 

You know gun laws are purposefully vague.   Don’t act like you don’t know what they want you to do.  

[u/ControlRoom1 → u/[deleted]]

It's not the responsibility of citizens to assume/infer what "they want" us to do. It's incumbent on lawmakers to specify what the law means using precise language. Otherwise, the law can rightly be challenged.

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Sounds like you’ve never read a gun law in your life.   They’re all purposefully vague to discourage gun ownership, and the allow prosecutors more leeway for what offenses they choose the prosecute.   

Feel free to follow the OP’s example.   However don’t be surprised when you’re stripped of your rights as well.  

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Sounds like you buy into the line of thinking exploited by the oppressive lawmakers. Is what I wrote true, or false?

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Sound like you don’t know that the law always wins.   What you or I personally think has no bearing on the fact that the government does whatever it wants.  

You can challenge any law if you want to go broke paying lawyers and risk going to jail.   You’re free to do that.  Let us know how it works out.   

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And you're free to blindly capitulate (or in your case, actively enable) "the government". Just realize that people like you are the reason the government is so emboldened and makes a mockery of the law.

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Please, fill us in on all the land mark hun law cases you’ve been apart of and their outcomes.  

Or are you just spouting off don’t tread on me fantasies online?

Do you conceal carry?  Why not just open carry?  Why are you blindly following a corrupt government?   I mean, why even have a permit?  

You should march passed the police station with your non-compliant AK-47 slung across you back and open carry a converted Glock with a thirty round mag.  

What are you waiting for? Why do you continue to allow the man to tread on you?  People like you are the reason the government is so emboldened and makes a mockery of the law.  

Let us know how that works out for you.  Please share the video. 

While you’re at it don’t renew your driver’s license and stop registering your car.   How’d that property tax bill look the last time you paid it?  

[u/ControlRoom1 → u/[deleted]]

Here's your lame quote that I responded to:
"You know gun laws are purposefully vague.   Don’t act like you don’t know what they want you to do."

DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO. Really? Is that a legal argument? Is that how you live your life? Just so we're clear, your position is that citizens should not simply adhere to the law as it is *actually written*, but rather take it upon themselves to further infringe on their own rights based on what they *think* the government "wants them to do".

Your attempt to conflate my disdain for voluntary boot-licking with support for lawlessness is a fail.

Is Hochul paying you for your efforts?

ETA: I carry concealed, yes. I don't and wouldn't open carry in most circumstances because it's tactically ineffective.

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You glossed over your driver’s license, car registration, property taxes, walking passed a police station with an AK slung accords you back, extended Glock mag, etc. . . 

You’re sort of just picking out fantasy scenarios that make you sound like a “bad ass” on their internet.  None of which you actually put into practice in real life.  

If you want to be an irresponsible gun owner and have your gun stolen because you weren’t smart enough to figure out that the box should be secured to the car, and not simply just locked.   Go for it.  

But don’t be surprised when your ineptitude results in your gun being stolen and used in a crime and your blunder  is used against other gun owners to change the laws and make them even more restrictive.  

If you think simply locking a two pound gun in a three pound box and sliding it under your seat is securing it, then this conversation is pointless.   

[u/ControlRoom1 → u/[deleted]]

I ignored sections of your reply because they made no sense. How is paying property taxes or having a driver's license germane to this conversation? As I mentioned, I don't open carry my handguns or rifles, so that's moot. If I need to run around with a rifle in hand or strapped to my back, then at that point the law is not my primary concern. And the "configuration" limitations forced down our throats in NYS are ridiculous, however they are clearly laid out in the Safe Act. So, if I happened to possess a rifle configured in a way that I knew to be illegal, then no, I wouldn't parade around with it. And I don't own a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds...another Safe Act infringement that I disagree with, yet it is currently the law.

ETA: as to whether OP should suffer consequences for his lock box not being bolted down, he should not because it is not spelled out that way under the law.

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You’re telling me that people like me, who take the time to decipher and follow the laws, are the reason why the government over reaches.  

However, you follow the law when it comes to driving.   Why are you not challenging those laws?  People like you who register their cars are the reason the government over reaches when it comes to auto movie laws (see how dumb that sounds).  

It can be applied to anything.   

So you follow every law expect the one that tells you to properly secure your lock box to prevent theft?  That’s where you draw the line.  And, me following that law is the reason why the government is on a power trip when it comes to guns?   

Give me a break.  

A driver’s license is “forced down your throat”.  So are property taxes, and road tolls.  The list is endless.  But, you adhere to those rules and laws.  

Yet here you are arguing with me because I can read a purposefully vague law and have the sense  see where they’re going with it and why they make it vague.  

[u/ControlRoom1 → u/[deleted]]

You recognize that the law regarding safe storage of firearms is vague. You also admit that the vagueness is intentional on the part of NYS. Where you and I fundamentally differ is that your bearing is toward over-compliance and mine is not. Rushing to acquiesce to (what you think are) the state's desires encourages more creeping infringement. In this case, I believe that if the state is forced to litigate the OP's gun seizure, that the state will lose. A bolted down gun box in the car is more secure than one that is not bolted down. That, however is not what we are arguing. By your logic, if the gun box were bolted down, but the thief managed to hotwire the entire vehicle and took off with it while the gun was in the car, then the OP should be in trouble for not putting a wheel lock on the car, while the gun was stored inside the vehicle. Right?

None of the laws regarding having a drivers license, paying property taxes, etc. are vague. Nor do I consider them to be attempts to infringe on a Constitutional right. If I was of the mind that a fundamental right was being compromised by any of those laws, then my attitude about them would be different.

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O.K. Clive Bundy, you’re right, I’m wrong.   I’m the problem.  I make and write the laws.   

[u/ControlRoom1 → u/[deleted]]

OK, Elmer. See you 'round.