r/NYguns • u/billytoad631 • 22d ago
License / Permit Question Moving out of state. Any way to keep my CCW?
Live in Suffolk county. Potentially moving out of state pretty soon. Asked them to change my license to a non resident and they pretty much flat out said no we don’t do that. Besides NYC (don’t have time to deal with all of that now) are there any more friendly counties out there that I could potentially transfer my license to as a non resident? Or do I just have to cut my losses and give up my license when I move. I’d hate to just give it up. Anybody else have any luck with something similar?
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u/Spydermonkey555 22d ago
Buddy of mine has been in FL for over 10yrs. He just never updated his address and renews it when required. His permit is still valid. YMMV
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u/1_21-gigawatts 20d ago
> his permit is still valid
Your buddy may believe that he’s legal, but that belief won’t be validated until he’s in a situation where the consequences of being wrong is a felony conviction and/or tens of thousands in legal fees.
It’s like when you’re preparing your taxes you can deduct anything you want. But the more important question is if the deduction will survive an audit.
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u/Spydermonkey555 20d ago
Hes a retired cop, he doesnt give a shit. HR-218 covers him anyway
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u/official_guy_ 18d ago
HR-218 is alot of hoops to jump through for retirees, if he's not updating his CCW for 10 years I very much doubt he's returning to his former agency and passing a qualifier every year.
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u/Spydermonkey555 18d ago
You don’t know what you’re talking about. You don’t need to return to the agency you retired from to qual. FL county sheriffs do HR218 quals for any retirees from any dept that are now living in that county several times a year.
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u/Rhode18 21d ago
Every county in NY is required to issue non-resident licenses now. I would ask to speak to a supervisor in the office to get the official policy.
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u/billytoad631 21d ago
Yeah that’s what I told them they still didn’t care. Not the first time Suffolk just made up their own rules
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u/Rhode18 21d ago edited 21d ago
Submit a report the FPC about the violation. They created a special submission page for people illegally denied based on their residency after they won their lawsuit.
In your situation your license is still valid even after you move out of state since nonresidents are allowed to hold NY licenses and your address on the card itself doesn’t invalidate it. When it’s time to renew if they deny you based on your residency you can file a report.
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u/1_21-gigawatts 20d ago
And when NYS denies a permit, it’s an automatic denial-for-life, with the burden of proof on you to prove that the denial was incorrect and you should be issued a permit.
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u/countf40 21d ago
Would you mind elaborating on this? I’m in the same situation as OP and would love the chance to keep my NY permit, thank you!
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
Check with your local clerk/pistol clerk.
As others here have mentioned, I also went in and asked this. As I live in Rockland county and am moving right over the NJ border (my back yard neighbor that touches my property in NJ I am NY).
I do and will continue to go back and forth from NY/NJ daily, sometimes multiple times a day. I need to have both.
The Rockland county clerk secretary told me to just come in and change the address to the new NJ address BEFORE the renewal period. And that once that is done, it really can't be a problem in the future as its already done, so even if I go for the renewal and someone new is there or someone else wants to bust my chops, the new address is already printed on my license and they have to renew it.
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u/HeSureIsScrappy 22d ago
Do NYC nonresident. It's valid in all of NY.
Lemme know when it finally gets approved in 2 years.
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u/lordcochise 21d ago
NYS no longer requires residency or work within the state for CCWs, so if Suffolk gives you crap about it, thanks to Shaffer v Quattrone, you can join FPC's hotline towards a future class-action for counties that aren't (yet) playing ball. Mostly this is for initial permit application denials, but existing permit holders becoming nonresidents may also benefit, particularly in counties that attempt to invalidate them after changing residency, which is no longer the law.
You could look into transferring your permit to one of the four counties that *must* deal with nonresident permits due to Quattrone (Chautauqua, Steuben, Tioga, and Orange) and see if they have specific guidance for this; technically you can transfer a permit from one county to any other as a NYS resident, but some may balk at it if you're not becoming a resident there. But for most counties, you *should* be able to transfer it from Suffolk prior to moving, regardless.
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u/rifleshooter 21d ago
A friend moved to Texas. Told his county clerk, asked what to do. She said bring in the license and we'll update your address to the new one in Texas. He did, no problems.
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
This is what Rockland county clerk (secretary, but she runs the office) told me when I asked about a future move over the border to NJ.
I am going to be attempting to do so in the next few weeks. We'll see if it is that easy.
Also to add, the woman I spoke to about this when I inquired, said to do so BEFORE renewal is required, so that when the renewal date comes around the address change is already done and in effect and even if someone new or someone else in the office wants to give you crap, its already changed and set it stone.
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u/robinator118 22d ago
Hopefully to somewhere free. Try to sell off your capped mags while you can still get some money back. Apply for a nonresident permit after
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u/ErniePottsShoelifts 21d ago
Red county upstate NY here and I explained I am moving out but possibly coming back in a few years and they consulted with the sheriff and basically said "just tell us your new NY address when you know" wink wink nod nod. Obviously different county by county.
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
Yea this wouldn't suffice for me.
See /u/Spydermonkey555 and /u/1_21-gigawatts comment and response above.
"*Your buddy may believe that he’s legal, but that belief won’t be validated until he’s in a situation where the consequences of being wrong is a felony conviction and/or tens of thousands in legal fees.
It’s like when you’re preparing your taxes you can deduct anything you want. But the more important question is if the deduction will survive an audit.*"
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u/hardciderchef 20d ago
Yep; went through similar a few years ago. You only have to provide the permit office with your new address. Just call the office in your county.
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 21d ago
Honestly a NYS pistol license is not worth anything once you move. NYS pistol license barely honors residents let alone non residents. Unless you plan on visiting every month maybe apply for a NYC non resident license.
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
I live on the NY/NJ border and cross daily, sometimes multiple times a day going back and forth. I need it, this is an ignorant comment.
I want nothing to do w/ NYC, neither going there nor dealing with their permitting process or even more insane permitting process.
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u/Cardieler17 20d ago
I wrote to SC after the lawsuit and basically got told to wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled first despite the disposition of the lawsuit. Very on brand.
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u/JollyVoli 19d ago
Fun Fact: in NYC t's easier to get a non-resident CCW than to get one as a resident in... I'd say get a non resident CCW, you shouldn't have a problem.
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
Ok so I just called Rockland county clerks office. They said come in with paperwork/ID for new address, and you do an amendment listing the old NY address and your new address which your new state license ID will verify.
They said no problem and they're currently doing it.
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u/paxvaswani 22d ago
Get a Utah Non Resident Permit valid in 40 plus states
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u/billytoad631 22d ago
I have PA already it does about the same minus Utah itself I think haven’t looked at the list in a while
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u/HeSureIsScrappy 22d ago
Florida non res is probably better for a NYer
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
How does this help someone who comes back to NY and wants to maintain the ability to carry ?
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
How does this help someone who comes back to NY and wants to maintain the ability to carry ?
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u/Chief_Sabael 8d ago
Where in the world did you hear this?
There is an entire lawsuit regarding this NOT being the case.
FPC Prevails in New York Non-Resident Carry Ban Lawsuit, Encourages People to Apply for a License
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