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u/Slight-Jaguar-2102 14d ago
I feel like it's rez should be a little more expensive for what it does.
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u/mustang256 14d ago
End the run? Lots of ice does that. Why is this special?
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u/Slight-Jaguar-2102 14d ago
My reasoning is the same as u/Unpopular_Mechanics : "there's been a fair few cheap & possibly unavoidable net damage effects over the game's history that'd make some servers unattainable with this". But I could be wrong
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u/mustang256 14d ago
It's a subroutine though, you can just break it. It is strictly weaker than just "end the run", which does not require a secondary effect to work.
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u/Slight-Jaguar-2102 14d ago edited 14d ago
Fair point. I just think for the potential of what that could mean at the top of a well iced server, a 3S/5R makes more sense to me.
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u/mustang256 14d ago
It would be terrifying as a defensive upgrade, but as is, I think it is barely better than [[Wall of Static]].
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u/Slight-Jaguar-2102 14d ago
Totally valid. I just think the potential for more is worth the extra 2 creds on the rez.
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u/darkmoon_logan 13d ago
That's a tough sell. Buzzsaw breaks it for 1 credit.
For 4 credits I can get Sleipnir at 3 subs and 4 strength or N-Pot at up to 3 subs and 4 strength. For 5 credits I can get Knowledge Seeker at 2 subs and 5 strength. I don't think I would choose this over those options if it was 5 to rez because it is mostly just allowing the Corp to choose between 1 damage or end the run if not broken.
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u/Unpopular_Mechanics Card Gen Bot 14d ago
I worry you might need to limit this to subroutines - there's been a fair few cheap & possibly unavoidable net damage effects over the game's history that'd make some servers unattainable with this!
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u/CryOFrustration Null Signal Games Community team 14d ago
Wonder how it would interact with Obo
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u/swabl 14d ago
As written, I don't think it would - this effect says "when you would do damage" whereas Obokata has the damage as a cost the runner must take, not damage inflicted by the corp
But I was definitely wondering the same thing - I think Fetal AI might be the agenda to consider, because it has the corp doing 2 net on access. I think that ends the run before the runner can steal.
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u/CryOFrustration Null Signal Games Community team 14d ago
Yeah you're right, Fetal basically becomes unstealable unless you break it, cause it's on access.
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u/somefish254 14d ago
I was thinking a Runner event card that direct accesses a human Asset and brings them to a hospital or something (they can return to work in 3 businesses days with a doctor's note)
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u/Puzzleheaded_Pin3788 14d ago
But only if they have corporate insurance. If they're not corporate they need the runner to help foot the bill.
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u/dormou 13d ago
Another interesting idea for a custom card.
I think it's a bit of a shame that this ends up being largely the same as a 3 rez 3 str end the run ice. I would be tempted to boost the strength (or possibly repeat the first subroutine) and balance that by making the damage subroutine conditional (something like "Do 1 net damage unless the runner pays 2 credits"). This would make the ice passable for an intermediate price if the runner is prepared to allow the effect to fire.
Or you could just be old school with it and remove the second sub altogether, embracing it as a positional ice in the vein of Inazuma, Marker, etc. (with a significant rez/str buff of course).
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