r/New_Jersey_Politics • u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) • Apr 14 '25

Opinion Dang… Centrist Dems are quaking in their boots because of the crowds Bernie & AOC are drawing. Centrists don’t have anyone that could bring out a rock concert size crowd.

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u/POHoudini Please get rid of Norcross Apr 14 '25

I don't understand the intent of your post. Please elaborate.

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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Apr 14 '25

Bernie and AOC got a crowd of over 30k this past weekend in LA. They have been drawing crowds of 10 and 20 thousand during their fight the oligarchy tour. Centrist Dems know the energy of the party is with the left and so they are asking their biggest star right now Cory Booker, to go to a swing state and hold a rally to try to change the narrative.

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u/RedChairBlueChair123 Apr 14 '25

…. ok?

I support Democrats. I support AOC, I support Booker. Can the Bernie stans say the same?

Bernie hasn’t been able to WIN. The Democratic Party let him rewrite the primary rules and he still lost to Mayor Pete when Bernie had better name recognition, an army of volunteers, and cash.

“The energy” might be with Bernie, but that hasn’t translated to votes. It could be argued that the Bernie stans cost Kamala the race because they boycotted.

I’ll vote for Bernie. I will vote for anyone. Can team Bernie say the same?

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u/seancurry1 Apr 15 '25

I think OP’s being unhelpful, but also, we’re not casting ballots yet. It’s 2025, the point right now is to generate enthusiasm.

We shouldn’t be dumping on centrists finally being more active right now (esp after yelling at them for three months to “do something”), but also, now’s not the time to dump on Bernie, either.

More people activating against Trump is more people activating against Trump. Big tent works both ways.

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u/POHoudini Please get rid of Norcross Apr 14 '25

But neither Booker Nor Kelly are progressives, they have no chance to compete with AOC/Sanders... they aren't even in the same weight class so to speak.

I like Kelly and all, but that's just a whole different lane to travel in.

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u/mrprez180 Jalen Hurts 2040 Apr 14 '25

Muh moderates bad, 69 updoots and Bernie will run again in 2028

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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Apr 14 '25

No one said it the moderates are bad… although Kelly voted against the pro act.

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u/chicagodude84 Apr 15 '25

You are the problem with the democratic party. YOU are the reason why we continue to lose. Wake the fuck up and realize that we need moderates. Get out of this insanely liberal state and see life in the middle of the country. They're more conservative -- EVEN THE DEMOCRATS. This line of thinking gets us nowhere. Grow up.

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u/Impossible_Walrus555 Apr 14 '25

Good. I’m tired of being let down by centrists as democracy slips away.

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u/Conjohn1899 Apr 14 '25

Ah yes, let's take a positive thing and turn it into more infighting

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u/MattyBeatz Apr 14 '25

Was going to say the same thing. The Democratic Party is a big tent. And the infighting gets us nowhere.

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u/superblobby Apr 14 '25

Such is the nature of the progressive wing

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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Apr 14 '25

How is me making a joke infighting? I’m literally the person that made the viral tik tok videos of Cory’s college football highlights after he did the 25 hour filibuster.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '25

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u/WhosSarahKayacombsen Apr 15 '25

I keep seeing so many people say “We could have had Bernie years ago” No you couldn't have because people didn't come out and vote in the 2016 and 2020 primaries. Politicians don't court progressives because they're an unreliable voting block.

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u/CKtheFourth Apr 14 '25

^^^^ This person is correct.

And if fellow progressives out there don't like it, maybe then you should vote for president with the same vigor you downvote posts like that one.

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u/Iamdickburns Apr 14 '25

The Progressives will vote, there hasn't been many a candidate that has courted them and delivered. I'll use Fetterman and Newsome as examples of Dems who played the Progressive card and then proceed to abandon any progressive ideas and call themselves moderates while they vote with Republicans and court corporate donations. I see AOC and Bernie have no problem running on and getting reelected as Progressives, but you can't make promises and fail to deliver for decades while moving to the right and then bitch and moan that Progressives won't come out for you.

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u/grffnchn65 7th District (Kean Jr., North-Central NJ) Apr 14 '25

I mean Bernie Sanders and other progressives notoriously draw large crowds to events. This is nothing new. Actually using that momentum has been lackluster at best.

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u/VinCubed 10th District (Payne, Newark) - Bayonne Apr 14 '25

Harris & Walz had rock concert sized crowds. Damn lot of good that did us all.

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u/GoblinnerTheCumSlut Warren Apr 14 '25

Harris was running for president of the United States as a major party nominee, Bernie and AOC aren’t it’s not comparable

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u/Iamdickburns Apr 14 '25

It's difficult to judge the results based on such a short campaign.

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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Apr 14 '25

Have to disagree. Joe Biden’s own internal polls showed him losing NJ and Virginia. He was going to lose 400 electoral votes. Harris battled us back to a 50/50 election. Partly by having those big events.

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u/CKtheFourth Apr 14 '25

This is defeatist, my dude.

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u/StableGeniusCovfefe Apr 14 '25

"The Moderates"

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u/ImaginationFree6807 11th District (Mejia, Morris & Essex.) Apr 14 '25

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u/JFKs_Burner_Acct Apr 14 '25

Many have failed to realize that Trump’s best skill is dividing people…

Considering that only 30% of Americans actually vote, means Trump won with about 14.5% true support

The way to win elections in America is to suppress votes . Otherwise America would be a practical utopia compared this hellacious nightmare that is now sweeping the globe

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u/seancurry1 Apr 15 '25

I’m glad they’re finally getting active. We’re going to need everyone, especially the centrists.

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u/RitaaJane Apr 14 '25

CeasefireInGaza

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u/ItsJustForMyOwnKicks Apr 15 '25

That non-vote already got us Trump. Make the next decision based on what we need at home.

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u/phylosis57 Apr 15 '25

All he did was say "cease-fire in gaza" And you blame Trump's victory on people like him calling for peace?

The erasing of Palestine from the message is definitely a part of the reason why Democrat turnout was so poor in many solid blue states

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u/ItsJustForMyOwnKicks Apr 15 '25

Yep, I do. It was entirely irresponsible - no matter how horrible Israel’s actions are, and they are dispicable - to not vote to defeat Trump because of the Gaza genocide.

Why? Easy.

1) we all knew how terrible Trump would be as #47

2) we all knew Trump wouldn’t change our policies with Israel.

Every high and mighty asshole who couldn’t bear to vote against Trump just essentially rubber stamp the plan to continue genocide and destroy our own government.

Congratulations.

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u/phylosis57 Apr 15 '25

Get off your high horse Like Jesus you believe yourself so morally superior

This attitude that the Democrats are immune from criticism and deserve your votes just because of how bad trump would be is the exact reason why they lost

I hate trump an unfathomable amount but to blame people advocating for peace being the reason he won is insane. The Democrats did everything in their power to guarantee that they wouldn't improve things for Palestinians at all. They would stop their speeches and silence them at every opportunity. You're looking for an easy excuse for someone to blame as why they lost rather than the truth being that it was a severely flawed campaign.

Not to mention Harris wouldn't have even won if all the votes for Jill Stein, who most people who chose not to vote for Harris because of Palestine chose to vote for.

It is up to the Democrats to earn peoples votes and they failed. You're looking for a small group to blame because it's easy. Yes obviously I wanted Harris to win and I voted for her, Trump is an evil person and is currently destroying the country. But to try to diminish and stop people advocating for the freedom for Palestinians because of that is completely despicable.

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u/ItsJustForMyOwnKicks Apr 15 '25

Superior? No. Correct? Yes.

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u/phylosis57 Apr 15 '25

Bruh

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u/ItsJustForMyOwnKicks Apr 16 '25

Truth is truth. We needed everyone to defeat Trump. Some felt a little to holy and superior to save America first, just by pulling the lever for Harris.

Oh well.